Stamina Templar, anyone use them?

coop500 · December 2017

I don't know what it is, but I tried looking up different builds that are updated/recent to patches for stamina templar, not to copy directly but some pointers on what sort of skills are really good for it and they don't seem to exist? Like there's only a few really that are updated, Jabsmania being the man one I keep seeing.

I was hoping to find some pointers from stamina templars, werewolves especially but not required, but at this point I wonder if it's because they are not as good? I see lots of stamina DK, stamina NB, stamina Warden and even a few stamina sorc build options but hardly any for templars.

dodgehopper_ESO · December 2017

They can hit hard but have a problem with resources. My Stamplar has always been either Tanky or Damage oriented. One of the worst things they ever did to the class was the change to Repentance which now causes Templars to be at odds with teaming with one another. My beef with Templar design is that it is atrociously clunky as a class. In my view the class is in the worst state it has ever been in despite probably being the most altered class in the game. It is not a matter of playability but a matter of having been made the least fun it could possibly be. Most of the joy of the class has been sucked out through the enjoyment-extractor.

Stovahkiin · December 2017

I’ve got one, he isn’t quite as good as my other characters, but he looks great in combat!

coop500 · December 2017

Merely based on this, sounds like my assumptions were correct, stamina templar is not played by too many and thus, neglected.

I guess it's on me now~ I really don't want to delete my stamina templar, but she has a important role ahead of her (soloing stuff) So I'll have to just use my best judgement

GimpyPorcupine · December 2017

I know lots of guys who excel in PVP with Stamplars. They can shine there because of the class passives to weapon damage. I have a Redguard one that is really fun to play, and I use her with the Oblivion set from Vaults as a dedicated soul gem filler.

You need to level all your class skill lines, but only unlock certain passives. Level all 4 physical weapon skill lines to give yourself flexibility.

Ritual of Retribution is a large DOT and HOT, purges negative effects for you and offers the synergy to allies, and the passive from Restoring Lights adds a 30% snare. Keep this down and camp in it. Repentance is free health to all and stam to you after some of the mob is burnt down. Skip the Light Weaver passive until you have plenty of skill points, but the others are good.

Power of the Light is the only skill you'll use from Dawn's Wrath, but Prism and Restoring Spirit passives are crucial.

Biting Jabs is your spammable for trash mobs. Binding Javelin is too expensive to be used for damage, but it's a great CC to get someone off you (or off a keep in PVP). Crescent Sweep is a good ultimate to slot until you get Dawnbreaker. All of the passives here are important.

Beyond that, just gather suggestions from other Stamina and Werewolf builds that you like and see what works for you.

Izaki · December 2017

Stamplars are great in both PvP and PvE.

dodgehopper_ESO · December 2017

coop500 wrote: »

Merely based on this, sounds like my assumptions were correct, stamina templar is not played by too many and thus, neglected.

I guess it's on me now~ I really don't want to delete my stamina templar, but she has a important role ahead of her (soloing stuff) So I'll have to just use my best judgement

I would not delete it but I do know from conversations with other friends that play Stamplar (many of whom are quite good at the class) they aren't exactly happy with many things. This is an mmo though things change. I would not delete a character particularly if it is an established one. There is a good reason why I have a build for just about everything. Rules changes flip around all kinds of classes and builds in these MMO things. I don't know if its because Developers like to waste our time to make things seem more entertaining than they are or what. If you're busy constantly making new characters and new builds you are less likely to be bored with the pacing of content. I think it might be a fear-based design decision that most MMO designers are guilty of because it certainly doesn't have much to do with fun in mind.

coop500 · December 2017

I don't really PVP much so is stamplar a PVP focused class?

ak_pvp · December 2017

Its not the best class for PvE, though not bad. And a pretty good class for PvP.

coop500 · December 2017

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Merely based on this, sounds like my assumptions were correct, stamina templar is not played by too many and thus, neglected.

I guess it's on me now~ I really don't want to delete my stamina templar, but she has a important role ahead of her (soloing stuff) So I'll have to just use my best judgement

I would not delete it but I do know from conversations with other friends that play Stamplar (many of whom are quite good at the class) they aren't exactly happy with many things. This is an mmo though things change. I would not delete a character particularly if it is an established one. There is a good reason why I have a build for just about everything. Rules changes flip around all kinds of classes and builds in these MMO things. I don't know if its because Developers like to waste our time to make things seem more entertaining than they are or what. If you're busy constantly making new characters and new builds you are less likely to be bored with the pacing of content. I think it might be a fear-based design decision that most MMO designers are guilty of because it certainly doesn't have much to do with fun in mind.

I do indeed have 12 toons, I could easily play my many others, but they're all pretty decent at what I want them for, while my stamina templar was chosen by me to solo normal dungeons, declining quest shares from randoms so I can do it myself. But obviously I need to get her up to snuff before I do so.

I never really looked at builds before, just kinda went with what sounded good in my head, but that method has been failing me as of late with stamplar and magicka nB

dodgehopper_ESO · December 2017

coop500 wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Merely based on this, sounds like my assumptions were correct, stamina templar is not played by too many and thus, neglected.

I guess it's on me now~ I really don't want to delete my stamina templar, but she has a important role ahead of her (soloing stuff) So I'll have to just use my best judgement

I would not delete it but I do know from conversations with other friends that play Stamplar (many of whom are quite good at the class) they aren't exactly happy with many things. This is an mmo though things change. I would not delete a character particularly if it is an established one. There is a good reason why I have a build for just about everything. Rules changes flip around all kinds of classes and builds in these MMO things. I don't know if its because Developers like to waste our time to make things seem more entertaining than they are or what. If you're busy constantly making new characters and new builds you are less likely to be bored with the pacing of content. I think it might be a fear-based design decision that most MMO designers are guilty of because it certainly doesn't have much to do with fun in mind.

I do indeed have 12 toons, I could easily play my many others, but they're all pretty decent at what I want them for, while my stamina templar was chosen by me to solo normal dungeons, declining quest shares from randoms so I can do it myself. But obviously I need to get her up to snuff before I do so.

I never really looked at builds before, just kinda went with what sounded good in my head, but that method has been failing me as of late with stamplar and magicka nB

In a solo normal dungeon its perfectly fine. You can do that with any class.

I'd like to add that @GimpyPorcupine makes a good point about not needing passives in the class. This is something I do as well but I do find it rather annoying how much dross is in the Templar skill list. My sour state is probably in part because I was such a Templar diehard but it still has fun elements to it. In solo content it does great but I'd love to see them rethink quite a few things about the class thematically. I find it very strange for instance that Templar is supposed to be thematically Anti-Daedric and yet due to its ***-poor recovery it is extremely advantageous to become a Vampire.

Izaki · December 2017

ak_pvp wrote: »

Its not the best class for PvE, though not bad. And a pretty good class for PvP.

Not the best as in, you absolutely have to have at least one Stamplar in any raid group due to its usefulness? And its only slightly behind Stam DKs and Stamblades in terms of DPS.

And yeah, it is great in PvP when you know what you're doing.

Wraithlyn · December 2017

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

They can hit hard but have a problem with resources. My Stamplar has always been either Tanky or Damage oriented. One of the worst things they ever did to the class was the change to Repentance which now causes Templars to be at odds with teaming with one another. My beef with Templar design is that it is atrociously clunky as a class. In my view the class is in the worst state it has ever been in despite probably being the most altered class in the game. It is not a matter of playability but a matter of having been made the least fun it could possibly be. Most of the joy of the class has been sucked out through the enjoyment-extractor.

Pretty much this. You don't see other classes *** others over for being the same class, for resource returns. Heck even sub-class as Magplar has a bit of a leg-up on this one with their rune. It is actually atrocious that the only thing Stamplar has in terms of resource management is also a constant battle if there are other Stamplars don't have this problem.

akredon_ESO · December 2017

i have a 185 Days played on my stamplar. my bum is now as thick as Medium armor from all the shafting we have gotten lol
But in all seriousness. i have seen the class played Very well but I feel like other classes just do so much better. Stamden feels infinitely More flushed out in terms of class Design. Templar has to really Line up its attacks to burst someone. I feel like the Skill level of the class is way higher than other classes Namely because of our tool kit has really been hit. i have over 18k Achievement points on this class so starting over is just beyond depressing.

Taleof2Cities · December 2017

Every time you see the Power of the Light skill, that's the signature of a Stamplar.

Now, if they could be on equal footing for PvE as they currently are for PvP ... well ...

Mazbt · December 2017

Stamina is in a good place for trials atm (best they have been in like a year maybe?) and that's including stamplar. PVP they are really good in small scale unfortunately their group utility (repent) got wrekt by the divine powers of the devs. Still great in solo applications though. The stamina return is still decent. Plus you have a personal purge.

Also stamplar isn't going to suit everyone's tastes. I know perfectly capable really strong players who never really figured out how to stamplar. I personally love the playstyle.

geonsocal · December 2017

i can't remember who said it, but, someone mentioned in their post that if you want to include werewolf into your character - build from that...

that made a bunch of sense to me and really helped me a lot...

been tinkering with my orc werewolf templar's build since forever...

spend most of my game time as a solo player looking for larger scale action in cyrodiil (read: I'm a zerg surfer

)...

have one other character as an active pvp werewolf, both wear 7 heavy...neither though have the undaunted mettle leveled...

my "stamplar" only has a stam regen of 683 and weapon damage of 2.1k, but, as long as i don't get too happy spamming jabs, still more than enough to block and fight...

my main "offensive" skill is the werewolf...right now my gear is helping to keep me alive at the front of the zergs (even surrounded at times) in werewolf form...

on the SnB bar where the ww is slotted i'm using 5pc plague doctor, 5pc wyrd tree, 2pc maw of the infernal...cause of the low stam regen, I have to pretty much constantly pop pots in combat...

i definitely do a lot less damage than a "real" medium armor, easier to sustain, high damage stamplar, but, all the health and high resistances while in werewolf, plus wyrd tree helping to keep me nice and clean (werewolves are like big poison dart boards

) all the time, makes it a fun build to be able to constantly munch away on my fellow pvpers...

yeah, sorry I can't rez my fellow pvp ally, I can devour your corpse though - you know, to help ya get some revenge for your death and all....

hmmmm, why can't we get some werewolf emotes?

yttoks · December 2017

Get some vicious ophidian. Plays really well on a stamplar, especially if you're grouped with another stamplar with faster repent reflexes. Don't even use repent with vo on.

You will really only use a few class skills at any given time, but I change them up a lot for situational considerations.

Always jabs and purify no matter what. Usually repent, and always when solo.

Power of light if there's no survival issues going on or with good healers present.

vMA sees binding jav taking the PoL or traps slot. Ditto for Davos in cradle of shadows, where it shuts down the adds from range. Also, always up in PvP, except this time in Repent slot as PoL it's a must for PvP stage 5 sees the clunky focused charge make a rare appearance, usually in traps slot, though sometimes I prefer to go 2H for that since magicka for purify is critical there.

If I'm trying something that is a serious stretch solo (like a WB not meant for solo), then it's focus, purify, and repent, usually at the expense of PoL and traps

Well, that's my take on stamplers. I'd definitely not delete it. They're fun once you get the hang of it, and not really like any other classes playwise. Not the best at anything, but pretty good at a lot of things.

Mine puts out 30k, but I don't get whiny like those robe wearers when the healer sucks and the tank doesn't have a taunt. I move some skills around and live with 20k. There's time for adjustments while you wait for the ragequit sorc to be replaced...

Chrlynsch · December 2017

coop500 wrote: »

I don't know what it is, but I tried looking up different builds that are updated/recent to patches for stamina templar, not to copy directly but some pointers on what sort of skills are really good for it and they don't seem to exist? Like there's only a few really that are updated, Jabsmania being the man one I keep seeing.

I was hoping to find some pointers from stamina templars, werewolves especially but not required, but at this point I wonder if it's because they are not as good? I see lots of stamina DK, stamina NB, stamina Warden and even a few stamina sorc build options but hardly any for templars.

I'll get you sorted out later pup!

Vaoh · December 2017

Izaki wrote: »

Stamplars are great in both PvP and PvE.

^^exactly this

People will complain about Templar, and honestly they are valid complaints.

Most of the cool stuff has been ruined. Jesus Beam and Jabs/Sweeps have lower damage than intended. Templars have been made as unfun as possible.

Still though, they are all around the strongest class in the game, being great at all PvE roles and probably making up like 1/3 of the PvP population or more.

Izaki · December 2017

Mazbt wrote: »

Stamina is in a good place for trials atm (best they have been in like a year maybe?) and that's including stamplar. PVP they are really good in small scale unfortunately their group utility (repent) got wrekt by the divine powers of the devs. Still great in solo applications though. The stamina return is still decent. Plus you have a personal purge.

Also stamplar isn't going to suit everyone's tastes. I know perfectly capable really strong players who never really figured out how to stamplar. I personally love the playstyle.

I find it rather boring in PvE. That being said, everything aside from Magblade and Stamblade is boring in PvE so... yeah.

They are a blast in PvP though.

technohic · December 2017

I often switch back and forth between magicka and stamina Templar. I enjoy Stamplar a lot but I’ve been crunching magicka for a while now. Just easier to play with the heals but doesn’t hit as hard. It will be the first class I will level a second of just to stop respecing

SoLooney · December 2017

They are great in both pve and pvp

they can provide group with power of the light and easy war machine procs from crescent sweeps. they are put out good dps along with buffing the group

pvp they have strong passives and abilities

stamplar is my personal favorite to play

Izaki · December 2017

SoLooney wrote: »

They are great in both pve and pvp

they can provide group with power of the light and easy war machine procs from crescent sweeps. they are put out good dps along with buffing the group

pvp they have strong passives and abilities

stamplar is my personal favorite to play

While War Machine isn't bad on Templar, its not BiS. You'll still pull out more DPS with Ballista as you main ultimate. So its preferrable to have a Stamblade or 2 for the War Machine procs, since they don't lose DPS while using Incap.

Blackbird_V · December 2017

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=33595

This is the build I have an run and it's not bad at all. You can run Ballista back bar, which imo is better than x2 Flawless Dawnbreaker. Give it a try, mind you sorta expensive with briarheart dagger. Get a cheap one to make nirn and you're pretty set.

Icy_Waffles · December 2017

Mine is a crafter. The most combat he has is in between resources in Craglorn.

usmcjdking · December 2017

Mazbt wrote: »

Stamina is in a good place for trials atm (best they have been in like a year maybe?) and that's including stamplar. PVP they are really good in small scale unfortunately their group utility (repent) got wrekt by the divine powers of the devs. Still great in solo applications though. The stamina return is still decent. Plus you have a personal purge.

Also stamplar isn't going to suit everyone's tastes. I know perfectly capable really strong players who never really figured out how to stamplar. I personally love the playstyle.

Stamplars have never been in a better place. It was a niche pick pre IC but that was largely because Stamplar was the only class that could efficiently use Ravager set (which dropped in robust at the time). When IC came out until 1T stamplar was absolutely bottom barrel for everything - PVE or PVP. Stamplar got a MAJOR overhaul with Thieves Guild which allowed the class to not be complete and utter *** in PVP and VMA and has been getting tweaked ever since.