starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

It must be an instance bug. I live at the Rawl'Kwa house, (PC/US) and everytime I log in, no matter the time, there's always a hoard of people in and around the bank.

Yeah, Rawl'Kwa's like Woodstock '69.

Crowded MMOS are dreadful. I like open spaces

I see plenty of folks around, and never get a sense of a low population. Some days I feel like being out in the Wild by myself.

Lol. Indoctrinated.

Smmokkee wrote: »

I play on Xbox NA. A ghost world indeed. Rawlkha use to be full of atleast a hundred people. Dueling, trading, socializing. Craglorn was full of people looking for trials groups. Wayrest, Mournhold, Brass Fortress, and any major hub you can think of has significantly less players. Every single guild I was in is eithee gone or merged and those guilds show max 20 online at a time and they are new players that wont stick around like the ones this game has lost.

You guys must all be new players or are clearly blind. This game is suffering at the moment. Over the course of two days I was able to find 2 groups to run nAS. No one is farming for anything right now. Group finder can and will take a long time despite an event based around running random dungeons ongoing.

Loading up into a city is so disappointing now. Text chat is nonexistent, no market to trade, no one to talk, no one to duel. Rawl'kha always use to have a group of 20 dueling in it, youll never find those players anymore and Im guessing if newer players go to Rawlkha theyll never realize how alive it use to be.


You guys can be blind.. whatever. As someone who hasnt played in months.. the population difference is really easy to see.

Indeed it is, on PC EU. The population continues to grow, wherever I am there seem to be plenty of players scurrying about.

I think a lot of complainers fall into the trap of thinking that just because somewhere used to be the place everyone flocked to it will always be so, thus if that place is less crowded their immediate reaction is to proclaim the death of the game. The reality is that as things evolve, people move to other areas of the game. Specifically, as new content is added - such as Vvardenfell and Battlegrounds, so the population spreads out more thinly, but other factors are at play too such as people having merchants in their homes, for example, and I've been warning for a while now not to ask for too much stuff to be doable in homes lest the cities become deserted and people - especially new players - draw the wrong conclusion and think the game is dead. It's far from that.

Then there are the special events. Would it really be that seismic an issue if there were fewer people around the open world zones during an event which was focused on dungeons? As for dueling, that - like Imperial City before it - was something PvPers clamored for and then when they got it it turned out to be a seven day wonder. People just don't bother with it any more, but that doesn't mean they aren't still playing the game. And with chat channels, increasingly people either use voicechat or disable chat altogether. The market traders are still busy, but at the kiosks, not in chat.

Tandor wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

I play on Xbox NA. A ghost world indeed. Rawlkha use to be full of atleast a hundred people. Dueling, trading, socializing. Craglorn was full of people looking for trials groups. Wayrest, Mournhold, Brass Fortress, and any major hub you can think of has significantly less players. Every single guild I was in is eithee gone or merged and those guilds show max 20 online at a time and they are new players that wont stick around like the ones this game has lost.

You guys must all be new players or are clearly blind. This game is suffering at the moment. Over the course of two days I was able to find 2 groups to run nAS. No one is farming for anything right now. Group finder can and will take a long time despite an event based around running random dungeons ongoing.

Loading up into a city is so disappointing now. Text chat is nonexistent, no market to trade, no one to talk, no one to duel. Rawl'kha always use to have a group of 20 dueling in it, youll never find those players anymore and Im guessing if newer players go to Rawlkha theyll never realize how alive it use to be.


You guys can be blind.. whatever. As someone who hasnt played in months.. the population difference is really easy to see.

Indeed it is, on PC EU. The population continues to grow, wherever I am there seem to be plenty of players scurrying about.

I think a lot of complainers fall into the trap of thinking that just because somewhere used to be the place everyone flocked to it will always be so, thus if that place is less crowded their immediate reaction is to proclaim the death of the game. The reality is that as things evolve, people move to other areas of the game. Specifically, as new content is added - such as Vvardenfell and Battlegrounds, so the population spreads out more thinly, but other factors are at play too such as people having merchants in their homes, for example, and I've been warning for a while now not to ask for too much stuff to be doable in homes lest the cities become deserted and people - especially new players - draw the wrong conclusion and think the game is dead. It's far from that.

Then there are the special events. Would it really be that seismic an issue if there were fewer people around the open world zones during an event which was focused on dungeons? As for dueling, that - like Imperial City before it - was something PvPers clamored for and then when they got it it turned out to be a seven day wonder. People just don't bother with it any more, but that doesn't mean they aren't still playing the game. And with chat channels, increasingly people either use voicechat or disable chat altogether. The market traders are still busy, but at the kiosks, not in chat.

But there is no one on in vvardenfell.. or the brass city. No trading going on.. very rarely see a gold upgrade material posted in chat for sale use to be constant. Every major hub has less people, less trading, less people talking. Battlegrounds take significantly longer to get in a game then they use to. Finding a trial group is tedious and long. Waiting in the dungeon finder is long.

I can say that from my end 3 whole pvp guilds barely even kicking, my main one has like 4 people on at a time now. Use to be 30+ always doing whatever activity throughout the game.

People dont like the changes that have been introduced to this game at least from the perspective of a xbox na player. There isnt as much players as there was 3 months ago, and unless something changes I wouldnt expect a turn around anytime soon.

I'm not trying to bash the game you all still love. This is just my point of view for someone who has played since console release. I have videos on my console of rawlkha from like a year ago. It was insane man.. MASSIVE amounts of people. I showed up at rawlkha once and there was a line of people around the whole center market following each other around it because some rich guy was giving away gold. Music blasted, people dueling.. the line wrapping around itself.. it was pretty awesome.

There have been other times where I showed up in Rawlkha, elden root or wherever and have just been like "what in the actual *** is going on here???!!" Those moments seem to be gone. That level of activity was awesome and you could find people everywhere. Trials groups were constantly being formed. IC actually had a healthy amount of PVP. Performance was still pretty iffy but my skills werent as unresponsive and the gameplay was just overall more fun and better. The fun factor at that point in time was through the charts.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

I play on Xbox NA. A ghost world indeed. Rawlkha use to be full of atleast a hundred people. Dueling, trading, socializing. Craglorn was full of people looking for trials groups. Wayrest, Mournhold, Brass Fortress, and any major hub you can think of has significantly less players. Every single guild I was in is eithee gone or merged and those guilds show max 20 online at a time and they are new players that wont stick around like the ones this game has lost.

You guys must all be new players or are clearly blind. This game is suffering at the moment. Over the course of two days I was able to find 2 groups to run nAS. No one is farming for anything right now. Group finder can and will take a long time despite an event based around running random dungeons ongoing.

Loading up into a city is so disappointing now. Text chat is nonexistent, no market to trade, no one to talk, no one to duel. Rawl'kha always use to have a group of 20 dueling in it, youll never find those players anymore and Im guessing if newer players go to Rawlkha theyll never realize how alive it use to be.


You guys can be blind.. whatever. As someone who hasnt played in months.. the population difference is really easy to see.

Indeed it is, on PC EU. The population continues to grow, wherever I am there seem to be plenty of players scurrying about.

I think a lot of complainers fall into the trap of thinking that just because somewhere used to be the place everyone flocked to it will always be so, thus if that place is less crowded their immediate reaction is to proclaim the death of the game. The reality is that as things evolve, people move to other areas of the game. Specifically, as new content is added - such as Vvardenfell and Battlegrounds, so the population spreads out more thinly, but other factors are at play too such as people having merchants in their homes, for example, and I've been warning for a while now not to ask for too much stuff to be doable in homes lest the cities become deserted and people - especially new players - draw the wrong conclusion and think the game is dead. It's far from that.

Then there are the special events. Would it really be that seismic an issue if there were fewer people around the open world zones during an event which was focused on dungeons? As for dueling, that - like Imperial City before it - was something PvPers clamored for and then when they got it it turned out to be a seven day wonder. People just don't bother with it any more, but that doesn't mean they aren't still playing the game. And with chat channels, increasingly people either use voicechat or disable chat altogether. The market traders are still busy, but at the kiosks, not in chat.

But there is no one on in vvardenfell.. or the brass city. No trading going on.. very rarely see a gold upgrade material posted in chat for sale use to be constant. Every major hub has less people, less trading, less people talking. Battlegrounds take significantly longer to get in a game then they use to. Finding a trial group is tedious and long. Waiting in the dungeon finder is long.

I can say that from my end 3 whole pvp guilds barely even kicking, my main one has like 4 people on at a time now. Use to be 30+ always doing whatever activity throughout the game.

People dont like the changes that have been introduced to this game at least from the perspective of a xbox na player. There isnt as much players as there was 3 months ago, and unless something changes I wouldnt expect a turn around anytime soon.

I'm not trying to bash the game you all still love. This is just my point of view for someone who has played since console release. I have videos on my console of rawlkha from like a year ago. It was insane man.. MASSIVE amounts of people. I showed up at rawlkha once and there was a line of people around the whole center market following each other around it because some rich guy was giving away gold. Music blasted, people dueling.. the line wrapping around itself.. it was pretty awesome.

There have been other times where I showed up in Rawlkha, elden root or wherever and have just been like "what in the actual *** is going on here???!!" Those moments seem to be gone. That level of activity was awesome and you could find people everywhere. Trials groups were constantly being formed. IC actually had a healthy amount of PVP. Performance was still pretty iffy but my skills werent as unresponsive and the gameplay was just overall more fun and better. The fun factor at that point in time was through the charts.

Don't assume that your experience on Xbox NA is typical of the game, we know that Xbox has had particular problems with the loading screens in PvP and that is bound to be a major factor in what you're reporting. It may well be the case that some of the historically busy places aren't as populated as they were (I wouldn't know, I've never seen any point in going there without a specific quest) - that doesn't mean the population has gone down necessarily, it just means people are elsewhere - like in dungeons during a dungeon event.

People have been reporting that the game was dying because their guild was empty, their friends never logged in any more etc ever since the game launched, and there are still an awful lot of players around. Ah, some will say, that's because ZOS only cater for new players now and they're still coming along but the veteran players have all left and they were the ones paying the bills etc, but it's completely unsubstantiated. Many of the players from launch still report the game being as busy as they can recall, that's certainly been my experience on the PC EU server. Weren't people complaining that the Steam population was down? It's currently the highest I can recall in a long time.

I was in an out of the way place in Glenumbra this morning, on the coast, near the Hag Cottage you could buy. This was at 5AM my time, so 7 AM Eastern. I was amazed at the number of players I saw going about their business.

To be fair, we did just have a massive event that a lot of players were grinding heavily on, so it's entirely possible the community's taking a few days to recover from that.