Everyone is leaving :(

raviour · December 2017

After countless pointless farming events, nerfs that are supposed to balance PvP but end up just nerfing PvE because are badly thought out. Boring new DLC that are based on the very dark premises of Sotha Sil. No interesting new content for end-gamers since vMoL, no dynamic population cap in Cyrodiil and no reduction in points based on poulation there, an AP system that does not encourage defence, Cyro NPC and siege nerfed since 1.7.

Zenimax you better shape up coz I need a dev and my heart is set on you.

Greece jokes aside, its sad to see so many leave recently. Not surprising though since most of the changes are inspired by weak cry babies that rage on forum about their precious hardened ward etc.

For a new player I can understand that the game is interesting and exciting but for us that have played 3 years+ it has lost its umpf. Zo$ I thoroughly recommend that you talk to the experienced players about ideas to better the game rather than pander to cry baby sorcs and newbies that don't really understand the game.

I heard rumours that you are meeting with GMs of big PvP guilds to talk about the nightcapping issues. As a GM of the only PvP guild for solo players I would like an invite. We are usually the people that are awake at that time. All I would say though is 'Bring dynamic population cap already, buff siege in CP campaigns and rebuff NPC, even bring back mercenary NPC'. Also bring back crits to proc sets for those poor PvE heroes, everyone in PvP wears impen so it really made no difference (duh).

You been shooting yourself in the foot since 1.6 Zeni, I love your game but I am just warning you, also..... Don't shoot the messenger (and don't kick the baby :P).

Judas Helviaryn · December 2017

You think rather highly of yourself, don't you..

Dapper Dinosaur · December 2017

One of the things I really don't understand is Zenimax's massive Dark Elf favoritism. Like, they already had one of the biggest zones in the game (Deshaan + Stonefalls), and then the first major chapter is for them (Morrowind), then the second-next DLC after that is also for them (Clockwork). Like, ENOUGH! I'm SO SICK of Dark Elves!

There's really not much variety in the last batches of DLC with all this ugly Dark Elf crap in it.

raviour · December 2017

@Judas Helviaryn because I run the only PvP guild for solo trollo yolo PvP types ? Tea-bag me anytime baby. Don't see how your comment is relevant though. People are leaving the game coz of weirdos like you also.

Kram8ion · December 2017

No I can’t get grease out of my head

seedubsrun · December 2017

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

One of the things I really don't understand is Zenimax's massive Dark Elf favoritism. Like, they already had one of the biggest zones in the game (Deshaan + Stonefalls), and then the first major chapter is for them (Morrowind), then the second-next DLC after that is also for them (Clockwork). Like, ENOUGH! I'm SO SICK of Dark Elves!

There's really not much variety in the last batches of DLC with all this ugly Dark Elf crap in it.

Morrowind=Dark Elves, CWC is a Morrowind DLC. Let's review the math CWC=Morrowind/Morrowind=Dark Elves.

And to OP- it's Grease jokes. Go on and give that edit button a click

Cloudless · December 2017

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

One of the things I really don't understand is Zenimax's massive Dark Elf favoritism. Like, they already had one of the biggest zones in the game (Deshaan + Stonefalls), and then the first major chapter is for them (Morrowind), then the second-next DLC after that is also for them (Clockwork). Like, ENOUGH! I'm SO SICK of Dark Elves!

There's really not much variety in the last batches of DLC with all this ugly Dark Elf crap in it.

Maybe, just maybe, it's because Dunmer are the most fleshed-out race, lore-wise, due to TES III? Though I suppose throwing around random accusations of favoritism is more in line with the widespread attitude on most online forums.

raviour · December 2017

@Dapper Dinosaur I think zeni are saving the more interesting content till later like Whiterun etc. just to prolong the games life. We need more love. Its too damn shady since 1.7. I like a bit of questing but the only thing I really enjoyed was Craglorn main story. Rest of it is totally generic.

These dark elf DLCs just remind us of slavery and its depressing, I believe the Dunmer were just masters taking the blame for other elves but it relates too much to the atrocities in our planet earth from ~300 years ago.

Tannus15 · December 2017

Yeah, nah. Stop judging the health of the game on your own in-game social circle / echo chamber.

In my guild we've recently had a bunch of people return to the game who stopped 12 months ago. They took a break and played something else for a while.
I think this is the new reality of ESO.

You are burning out. That's fine. Take a break. You've been playing for 3+ years, maybe you should play something else for a while. If nothing else it'll highlight what you DO enjoy about this game.

Onefrkncrzypope · December 2017

What do expect for ZoS to do? Would what you said bring back anyone? There are three endgame trials for the top players and hours of quest lines for the bulk of the community the casuals. Remember not everyone plays your ESO. I'm not being combative but lamentations always go unnoticed on this forum.

Dapper Dinosaur · December 2017

Cloudless wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

One of the things I really don't understand is Zenimax's massive Dark Elf favoritism. Like, they already had one of the biggest zones in the game (Deshaan + Stonefalls), and then the first major chapter is for them (Morrowind), then the second-next DLC after that is also for them (Clockwork). Like, ENOUGH! I'm SO SICK of Dark Elves!

There's really not much variety in the last batches of DLC with all this ugly Dark Elf crap in it.

Maybe, just maybe, it's because Dunmer are the most fleshed-out race, lore-wise, due to TES III? Though I suppose throwing around random accusations of favoritism is more in line with the widespread attitude on most online forums.

You're making my point for me. Dark Elves have had far more than their fair share of the spotlight. It's way past time to be giving some attention to the other races. I can't stand Redguards, but I'd even rather have a DLC for them than more ugly Dark Elf stuff, because at least the Redguard zone would (likely) at least be interesting and/or pretty.

At least with the Summerset Isles being the next DLC location (in all likelihood), we'll finally be getting a nice zone for DLC. I just hope it's not a chapter, chapters are way too expensive for me to justify buying unless it's for Argonians.

raviour · December 2017

I understand but the simple PvP issues have been adressed in an incompetent manner. vHOF and vAS and vMA are not fun like vMoL. There are enough quests to keep ES fans happy but you gotta admit that they are not of the same quality as games like Skyrim.

Zeni do a great job but these PvP nerf decisions and constant farming festivals seem to be hurting the game.

raviour · December 2017

I would say buff all classes to bring them in-line with sorcs is the best way to fix PvP. If sorcs hate nerf then buff the rest of us.

Spacemonkey · December 2017

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

One of the things I really don't understand is Zenimax's massive Dark Elf favoritism. Like, they already had one of the biggest zones in the game (Deshaan + Stonefalls), and then the first major chapter is for them (Morrowind), then the second-next DLC after that is also for them (Clockwork). Like, ENOUGH! I'm SO SICK of Dark Elves!

There's really not much variety in the last batches of DLC with all this ugly Dark Elf crap in it.

Just pointing out, even with two dlcs purely 'for them', Dunmer barely make the top of the list. Bretons nearly top the list without having a single dlc.

Dunmer have 4 (Deshaan, Stonefalls, Vvardenfell, Clockwork City)
Bretons have 3.5 (Glenumbra, Stormhavem, Rivenspire, Bangkorai)
Imperials have 3.5 (Gold Coast, Cyrodiil, Imperial City, Craglorn)
Redguards have 3.1 (Alikr, Hew's Bane, Bangkorai, Craglorn, Stros M'Kai)
Bosmer have 3 (Grahtwood, Greenshade, Malabal Tor)
Nords have 2.1 (Eastmarch, Rift, Bleackrock)
Khajiits have 1.2 (Reaper's March, Kenarthi's Roost)
Orcs have 1.1 (Wrothgar, Betnikth)
Argonians have 1.1 (Shadowfen, Bal Foyen)
Altmer have 1 (Auridon)

(I valued tutorial zones as .1 and clear split zones like craglorn&bangkorai as .5)
*There might be some mistakes or interpretation but I think it gives a clear picture.

Banana · December 2017

I'm still here. But I hate PVP with a passion so whatever goes on there doesn't worry me.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · December 2017

raviour wrote: »

I would say buff all classes to bring them in-line with sorcs is the best way to fix PvP. If sorcs hate nerf then buff the rest of us.

The fact that you still think sorcs are that far out in front of everyone else, makes me frankly question everything else you have to say. From a PVE standpoint, they have been dethroned from range by NBs and are average at best for a stamina class. As to PVP, they cant mitigate like a DK, Heal like a templar, bomb like a NB, and have nowhere close to the utility of a warden. Particularly after the frag nerf, mSorcs are very average in PVP. I am not saying they are weak, but acting like they are the most powerful class in cyro these days is just laughable.

Thogard · December 2017

What guild are you the GM of?

raviour · December 2017

Dat 25k ward, dat 25k ward. A sorc with 3 shields up has like 80k hp and sick damage.

Rosveen · December 2017

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Bosmer have 3 (Grahtwood, Greenshade, Malabal Tor)
Khajiits have 1.2 (Reaper's March, Kenarthi's Roost)

The part of Reaper's March west of the river are Bosmer lands. Khajiit didn't even get one full zone.

Dapper Dinosaur · December 2017

Rosveen wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Bosmer have 3 (Grahtwood, Greenshade, Malabal Tor)
Khajiits have 1.2 (Reaper's March, Kenarthi's Roost)

The part of Reaper's March west of the river are Bosmer lands. Khajiit didn't even get one full zone.

They did get a trial (Lorkaj), but I also wouldn't mind them getting another one.

What I would like to see a DLC for:

Argonians
Khajiit
High Elves (only because it would likely be an area like Auridon, IDGAF about the banana people)

What I would gladly never see a DLC for (or see one again)

Dark Elves
Orcs
Redguards (this race is actually grating to me for multiple reasons)

Samsayia · December 2017

I left when Morrowind dropped tbh. I refused to buy it then and I still refuse to get it now and the feedback was that I'm not missing much. Came back recently and fixed my PVE builds. Won't touch PVP no matter what they do because balancing will never be a thing. The only thing left worthwhile in this game IMO is the difficulty of vet DLC dungeons and trials. My own policy now is I'll play ESO when I don't have anything better to play but I'm not giving ZoS anymore money.

But yeah, I've noticed a lot of people leaving and it's getting harder and harder to pug dungeons if it's not peak hours because so few people are online, even as a tank.

raviour · December 2017

Yeah I was shocked recently to not get groups for vet pledges queueing as a tank at 2am.

Zeni need to watch out, they seem to be slacking too hard. Love the cherry blossom memento but we need a bit more than what they are giving the old players.

Kram8ion · December 2017

No I can’t get grease out of my head

Thogard wrote: »

What guild are you the GM of?

It’s Wallawalla bing bang

raviour · December 2017

This weird group finder event lead people to believe they had a chance of getting a free house from rewards, I have asked in big guilds and zones if any got one yet on both EU and NA. Zilch, niente, nada, doughnut holes.

vovus69 · December 2017

Well, If OP played non stop since the beginning, his condition is understood. I am usually come and go to/from ESO, and this is fourth iteration on my side. Original optimism is gone long ago, but unfortunately, there is no other game so far where graphics and content will be at the same level. WoW/Rift/GW2/etc are too cartoonish, BDO/Archeage/etc - too asian-like. Personally I don't like that game engine they are built upon. New coming MMOs like Albion, etc, are too low graphic thing. So usually people are needed some time to break with ESO and check around. And right now, ESO/zos are lucky because there is no good MMO with better graphics yet. But as soon as I'll see better graphics, better crafting (which is easy - 80% of MMOs have better crafting than ESO), better game mechanics (closer to Dark Souls and without multiple bugs which are here forever), ideally, done based on the procedurally generated world (like No Man's Sky), I am done with ESO. As of now, I could not find such thing. If someone knows something similar, please share.

So, my advice to OP - relax, have fun, break from ESO for 3-4 months and play in another MMO/RPG. I really enjoyed Dark Souls, but it is up to you. After that reassess the MMO landscape, and f nothing better came out, get back, play a bit, see whether you are still sick of it. If yes, another break for another 2-3-4 months, etc. This usually works.

zos will never ever fix the game. They just don't know how. So, do not ask them to change anything - they might only introduce more bugs. Just find your path...

-vovus

Thogard · December 2017

Kram8ion wrote: »

No I can’t get grease out of my head

Thogard wrote: »

What guild are you the GM of?

It’s Wallawalla bing bang

Haven’t heard of them or him. I’m curious as to how a PvP gm could think sorcs are OP in this CWC patch cycle. Must be a console thing.

Hes right though, people are leaving. But people have always been leaving. The problem now is that we have fewer people coming up to replace the ones that have left.

I think a lot of that is that the game has become extremely complicated lately. Too many things for a new player to juggle that are widening the gap between them and veterans, which can be very discouraging for them.

badmojo · December 2017

Game needs more daedric content. I want to explore the plains of oblivion, the shivering isles, and any other off-nirn realms.

Rainraven · December 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

raviour wrote: »

I would say buff all classes to bring them in-line with sorcs is the best way to fix PvP. If sorcs hate nerf then buff the rest of us.

The fact that you still think sorcs are that far out in front of everyone else, makes me frankly question everything else you have to say. From a PVE standpoint, they have been dethroned from range by NBs and are average at best for a stamina class. As to PVP, they cant mitigate like a DK, Heal like a templar, bomb like a NB, and have nowhere close to the utility of a warden. Particularly after the frag nerf, mSorcs are very average in PVP. I am not saying they are weak, but acting like they are the most powerful class in cyro these days is just laughable.

Yeah, that was a surprising assertion.

Cage_Lizardman · December 2017

I thought all you guys left with Morrowind already.

If a game can hold your attention for three years, I'd say that's pretty good.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · December 2017

raviour wrote: »

Dat 25k ward, dat 25k ward. A sorc with 3 shields up has like 80k hp and sick damage.

That is simply not the case in PVP. Sorcs have exactly one shield that is unique to them. They have two others that everyone else can use. Unless you are dueling, healing ward is more likely to go to the guy next to you. It is also extremely resource intensive to cast 3 shields consistently, and you can cast 3 skills at most between your shield stack. When i run my sorc, I typically have about 23k health and 40k magic. If I have all three shields on me, it about equals my health bar if in PVP (shields cut in half), but like I said, one of your three will miss you more often than not. 80k HP (health +shields) is not real life. Not saying you couldn't build for it, but the vast majority of sorcs dont play like that. If you think a sorc has better Defense than a DK or warden, your are out of your mind.

AlienatedGoat · December 2017

Another game is dying/dead/people leaving thread.

Another misguided and false narrative.