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Please allow us to check group in GF and decline
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you don’t want random players in your group, @swirve, form a pre-made group or run with guildies.
It’s as simple as that ...0 -
ak_pvp✭✭✭✭✭
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Played since beta, I can confirm that I understand nothing.
But apologies if my post came off too combative. The group finder is one of the fundammentals that ZOS does indeed need to improve upon changes like grouping like leveled players together as best as possible, checking CP/Group stats/gear. However that idea would be cried away.
But if you are one of the people crying about low levels and fake tanks for the event. Then git gud.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
Best houseknight EU.1 -
swirve✭✭✭✭@swirve
Played since beta, I can confirm that I understand nothing.
But apologies if my post came off too combative. The group finder is one of the fundammentals that ZOS does indeed need to improve upon changes like grouping like leveled players together as best as possible, checking CP/Group stats/gear. However that idea would be cried away.
But if you are one of the people crying about low levels and fake tanks for the event. Then git gud.
Git gud... oh the irony...0 -
swirve✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »If you don’t want random players in your group, @swirve, form a pre-made group or run with guildies.
It’s as simple as that ...
Reading the original post was simple though clearly it was beyond you... reread and tell me where i do not want randoms...
@Taleof2Cities0 -
Gargath✭✭✭✭✭
✭L2P issue
Also L2 avoid strange people who decide to ruin others pleasure purposely. Just like today in my random normal, 2 guys who queued together both as tank, healer and dd - see screenshot - decided to just run ahead not waiting for the rest. As a result everyone was dying multiple times because they were pulling attention of all the mobs and if someone else could not follow, was dying surrounded by many mobs. These two fled to safe distance and wasn't interested in returning for help. Didn't listen to arguments too. When asked about their queueing roles, got an isolent reply. So I quit and put both on ignore, but wasted a lot of time. If there was an option to check group in GF I'd decline this and wouldn't waste my time for silly people.
I'm with the OP here.
Edited by Gargath on December 3, 2017 6:24PMPC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."0 -
swirve✭✭✭✭
"Please allow us to check group in GF and decline
swirveswirve
December 2 edited December 2 in General ESO Discussion
Its annoying to get a 10+ min queue penalty when I queue as a healer as a healer and then join a group of 3 players looking to be carried...
Fake tanks, massively underlevelled players who are looking for carries and openly expect to be carried (via txtchat)."
What is exactly off topic here to you.
Saying you disagree with being able to pre-quit a group is on topic.
Saying you don't automatically know someone's looking for a carry is on topic.
Saying you don't care about fake tanks is on topic.
In short, just because someone doesn't just agree with you doesn't mean it's off topic. There's nothing in your title or post saying what difficulty of content you're even talking about, therefor on topic. Learn to read, you say. Start with yourself.
Your first two posts were so far off topic it was like you saying Craglorn but being in Cold Harbour.... you added zero value, just words. @Jawbone780 -
Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
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"Please allow us to check group in GF and decline
swirveswirve
December 2 edited December 2 in General ESO Discussion
Its annoying to get a 10+ min queue penalty when I queue as a healer as a healer and then join a group of 3 players looking to be carried...
Fake tanks, massively underlevelled players who are looking for carries and openly expect to be carried (via txtchat)."
What is exactly off topic here to you.
Saying you disagree with being able to pre-quit a group is on topic.
Saying you don't automatically know someone's looking for a carry is on topic.
Saying you don't care about fake tanks is on topic.
In short, just because someone doesn't just agree with you doesn't mean it's off topic. There's nothing in your title or post saying what difficulty of content you're even talking about, therefor on topic. Learn to read, you say. Start with yourself.
Your first two posts were so far off topic it was like you saying Craglorn but being in Cold Harbour.... you added zero value, just words. @Jawbone78
We’re not going to add value to a complaint thread when a player already knows the possible outcomes when using the group finder.2 -
swirve✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »
"Please allow us to check group in GF and decline
swirveswirve
December 2 edited December 2 in General ESO Discussion
Its annoying to get a 10+ min queue penalty when I queue as a healer as a healer and then join a group of 3 players looking to be carried...
Fake tanks, massively underlevelled players who are looking for carries and openly expect to be carried (via txtchat)."
What is exactly off topic here to you.
Saying you disagree with being able to pre-quit a group is on topic.
Saying you don't automatically know someone's looking for a carry is on topic.
Saying you don't care about fake tanks is on topic.
In short, just because someone doesn't just agree with you doesn't mean it's off topic. There's nothing in your title or post saying what difficulty of content you're even talking about, therefor on topic. Learn to read, you say. Start with yourself.
Your first two posts were so far off topic it was like you saying Craglorn but being in Cold Harbour.... you added zero value, just words. @Jawbone78
We’re not going to add value to a complaint thread when a player already knows the possible outcomes when using the group finder.
You see complaint, others see constructive...
I guess if you are alright jack then nothing else matters
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.4 -
swirve✭✭✭✭1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
You have 1 or 2 heals on your bar so you can heal... well duh...
Fake tanks dont tank though.
Massively underlevelled is not an opinion.
CP 200 in 3 players is way underlevelled on hardest vet content.
I love how people like you try to resist change because it suits you... yoy dont like others having choice just to be penalised.0 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
I've already tried using logic on this guy.
Now comes the response where he insults you and says your post is off topic.0 -
swirve✭✭✭✭1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
I've already tried using logic on this guy.
Now comes the response where he insults you and says your post is off topic.
Ive yet to see you post 1 constructive thing on this thread. All you do is troll.
@Jawbone78 .... still bitter at the DPS queue times... hmmm0 -
SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭i always queue for dungeons with at least 1 friend, preferably a whole 4 man squad. noobs expect to be carried and they get used to it.
pugging dungeons when all 3 of your teammates are under lvl 20 just makes for a frustrated long experience0 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
I've already tried using logic on this guy.
Now comes the response where he insults you and says your post is off topic.
Ive yet to see you post 1 constructive thing on this thread. All you do is troll.
@Jawbone78 .... still bitter at the DPS queue times... hmmm
Nope..I queue as fake tank. Instant queue. Ha!
Nothing you can do about it. Ha again!
As far as constructive, my first post..
"As others have said, when you join a random dungeon, you are rolling the dice. A random dungeon isn't just random for the content, but the group of players as well. I feel like a lot of players purposely overlook that aspect.
If you want a entire group of 690's to run with, well...that's what guilds are for. If you're not in a guild, ask in chat. If you can't do that, then in my opinion you're just being lazy because you want the benefits of the group finder but you don't want to do the work of putting a group together yourself or having to carry a player, or, you're looking to get carried yourself.
If you're using the random group finder, understand you're rolling the dice. That's the meaning of random. If you can decline a group based on your personal criteria, it stops being random.
It's also amazing to me how anyone can zone into a dungeon and automatically know someone's looking to be carried. Amazing.
Didn't you run dungeons when you were low level and had no CP? If the player is hanging back, spamming a light attack here or there, yes, that player wants to be carried. Other than that, how do you know? And how are you going to be able to pre-look at a group and think "These guys want to be carried?"...you can't. No CP/low CP doesn't mean a player wants a carry. In a normal, no less...please, can we stop this assumption? I've never seen someone in text ask for a carry in a normal dungeon. Players hardly say hi, let alone ask to be carried."
And instead of answering like an adult, you felt the need to insult.
The only troll here is you.
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm trolling you.
You constantly calling me Jawbone, however, is being a troll.
Edited by Kel on December 3, 2017 6:50PM1 -
swirve✭✭✭✭i always queue for dungeons with at least 1 friend, preferably a whole 4 man squad. noobs expect to be carried and they get used to it.
pugging dungeons when all 3 of your teammates are under lvl 20 just makes for a frustrated long experience
And instead of improving GF or providing constructive suggestions i see ppl like @Jawbone78 just trolling the thread...0 -
swirve✭✭✭✭1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
I've already tried using logic on this guy.
Now comes the response where he insults you and says your post is off topic.
Ive yet to see you post 1 constructive thing on this thread. All you do is troll.
@Jawbone78 .... still bitter at the DPS queue times... hmmm
Nope..I queue as fake tank. Instant queue. Ha!
Nothing you can do about it. Ha again!
Here is the proof... this guy doesnt want improvements as he is part of the problem...0 -
Gargath✭✭✭✭✭
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How would you call a player with all roles marked in GF, queueing for a dungeon as a NB with only 17k hp. Isn't he a fake tank? If not a tank, isn't he a fake healer, with his stamina based dual wield medium armor build?1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
PC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
You have 1 or 2 heals on your bar so you can heal... well duh...
Fake tanks dont tank though.
Massively underlevelled is not an opinion.
CP 200 in 3 players is way underlevelled on hardest vet content.
I love how people like you try to resist change because it suits you... yoy dont like others having choice just to be penalised.
I love how people miss the point.
What you consider a fake tank or fake healer is not the same as someone else. I fake tank with a taunt but since I do not have a S&B or heavy armor and am doing more dps that the rest some consider me a fake tank.
Really, read the forums more and you will see much different takes on what a fake tank or healer is.
Besides, you have a choice and I spelled it out. Use it.
Insulting those that have a different opinion is not appropriate. It does not add anything to the thread and can easily lead to the thread becoming toxic.Edited by idk on December 3, 2017 6:53PM1 -
swirve✭✭✭✭1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
You have 1 or 2 heals on your bar so you can heal... well duh...
Fake tanks dont tank though.
Massively underlevelled is not an opinion.
CP 200 in 3 players is way underlevelled on hardest vet content.
I love how people like you try to resist change because it suits you... yoy dont like others having choice just to be penalised.
I love how people miss the point.
What you consider a fake tank or fake healer is not the same as someone else. I fake tank with a taunt but since I do not have a S&B or heavy armor and am doing more dps that the rest some consider me a fake tank.
Really, read the forums more and you will see much different takes on what a fake tank or healer is.
Besides, you have a choice and I spelled it out. Use it.
Insulting those that have a different opinion is not appropriate. It does not add anything to the thread and can easily lead to the thread becoming toxic.
I have a choice to make a post on this forum about suggestions for improvement.
You have a choice, dont like it be a troll, be constructive or scroll on by...0 -
KingMagaw✭✭✭✭✭
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Also L2 avoid strange people who decide to ruin others pleasure purposely. Just like today in my random normal, 2 guys who queued together both as tank, healer and dd - see screenshot - decided to just run ahead not waiting for the rest. As a result everyone was dying multiple times because they were pulling attention of all the mobs and if someone else could not follow, was dying surrounded by many mobs. These two fled to safe distance and wasn't interested in returning for help. Didn't listen to arguments too. When asked about their queueing roles, got an isolent reply. So I quit and put both on ignore, but wasted a lot of time. If there was an option to check group in GF I'd decline this and wouldn't waste my time for silly people.
I'm with the OP here.
I understand your point. I would then say, i can solo almost any normal dungeon that doesn't require a 2nd person to stand somewhere or hit a switch. It is normal, super noob easy.
Just solo the rest of the dungeon and move on, which is faster than what you done. That is what i do. Do i care that i 'carried' some scrubs through it, no. If i cared then i would of premade the group and done it, which is what i usually do, or have 1 friend, in full knowledge both of us can duo the whole thing, simply with slightly less speed.
I am doing random normals with 14 characters for this event. I know all dungeons off by heart, every boss move, every spawn most likely. Only reason i do them in a group is it faster to do so, even with light attacking scrubs.
EDIT: If you cannot self sustain your build, its a L2P issue. No heals on your bar?, your problem in my eyes. Dont be so hasty to crutch relying on others, not matter what. These are the same zerglings that when you catch them solo they melt.
Veteran group play is slightly different, although the premise is the same, take care of yourself and what your doing and be self sufficient with the ADDED bonus of being supported.Edited by KingMagaw on December 3, 2017 7:00PM0 -
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Except ejecting hard on first hard boss, next healer will be less tolerant1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
I've already tried using logic on this guy.
Now comes the response where he insults you and says your post is off topic.
Ive yet to see you post 1 constructive thing on this thread. All you do is troll.
@Jawbone78 .... still bitter at the DPS queue times... hmmm
Nope..I queue as fake tank. Instant queue. Ha!
Nothing you can do about it. Ha again!
You you could ask for an low level to group with, LFM 1 DD lvl < 25
Just had my second fail ICP with fake tank and very weak dps, an level 47 healer should not do 40% dps, worse with an fake tank with dual wield. No taunt nor bow back bar who is an universal meta.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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You have a choice, dont like it be a troll, be constructive or scroll on by...
See here's proof! If you don't agree with OP, you're not being constructive and you're a troll.
Nothing to see here folks. Just a person who has no idea how to disagree with normal humans.Edited by Kel on December 3, 2017 7:00PM0 -
swirve✭✭✭✭1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
I've already tried using logic on this guy.
Now comes the response where he insults you and says your post is off topic.
Ive yet to see you post 1 constructive thing on this thread. All you do is troll.
@Jawbone78 .... still bitter at the DPS queue times... hmmm
Nope..I queue as fake tank. Instant queue. Ha!
Nothing you can do about it. Ha again!
Here is the proof... this guy doesnt want improvements as he is part of the problem...
Nope again. I actually do play a S&B tank. Just proving my point that you can't possibly know what I play by just looking at me.
That's why your idea is silly.1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
You have 1 or 2 heals on your bar so you can heal... well duh...
Fake tanks dont tank though.
Massively underlevelled is not an opinion.
CP 200 in 3 players is way underlevelled on hardest vet content.
I love how people like you try to resist change because it suits you... yoy dont like others having choice just to be penalised.
I love how people miss the point.
What you consider a fake tank or fake healer is not the same as someone else. I fake tank with a taunt but since I do not have a S&B or heavy armor and am doing more dps that the rest some consider me a fake tank.
Really, read the forums more and you will see much different takes on what a fake tank or healer is.
Besides, you have a choice and I spelled it out. Use it.
Insulting those that have a different opinion is not appropriate. It does not add anything to the thread and can easily lead to the thread becoming toxic.
I have a choice to make a post on this forum about suggestions for improvement.
You have a choice, dont like it be a troll, be constructive or scroll on by...
See here's proof! If you don't agree with OP, you're not being constructive and you're a troll.
Nothing to see here folks. Just a person who has no idea how to disagree with normal humans.
You posted you are a fake tank so dont lie... you are part of the problem and a good reason to implement counter measures like perma group blocking, reporting fornot doing role and reduced penalty for people doing their roles who want to back out while you fake roleEdited by swirve on December 3, 2017 7:01PM0 -
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How would you call a player with all roles marked in GF, queueing for a dungeon as a NB with only 17k hp. Isn't he a fake tank? If not a tank, isn't he a fake healer, with his stamina based dual wield medium armor build?1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
@Gargath
I can do all three roles on multiple characters. My health would change based on my gear if and as needed.
Though most dungeons would not require me to use actual tank gear and I can add more damage than the benefit of puncture to the group. Basically doing 30-50% of the groups damage is much more than puncture and WH combined would add.
So, yea, being able to see that information does not tell the whole picture being that ESO is designed so players can have all 3 roles on the same character.
BTW, yes, I have tanked dungeons that needed an actual tank with CP setup for damage. Very few dungeons have heavy damage.0 -
swirve✭✭✭✭You want to 4DD dngs then form a premade... fake roles should be heavily punished in GF.Edited by swirve on December 3, 2017 7:02PM1
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✭✭✭✭✭1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
You have 1 or 2 heals on your bar so you can heal... well duh...
Fake tanks dont tank though.
Massively underlevelled is not an opinion.
CP 200 in 3 players is way underlevelled on hardest vet content.
I love how people like you try to resist change because it suits you... yoy dont like others having choice just to be penalised.
I love how people miss the point.
What you consider a fake tank or fake healer is not the same as someone else. I fake tank with a taunt but since I do not have a S&B or heavy armor and am doing more dps that the rest some consider me a fake tank.
Really, read the forums more and you will see much different takes on what a fake tank or healer is.
Besides, you have a choice and I spelled it out. Use it.
Insulting those that have a different opinion is not appropriate. It does not add anything to the thread and can easily lead to the thread becoming toxic.
I have a choice to make a post on this forum about suggestions for improvement.
You have a choice, dont like it be a troll, be constructive or scroll on by...
I placed in bold exactly what I am speaking about that it is inappropriate to be insulting to those that have a differing opinion.
I have provided an appropriate response to your opinion, explained points and provided very possible examples of how it would negatively impact GF, yet you call be a troll since it differs from what you would like.
It is always advisable to consider the ideas and thoughts of others since, if done with an actual open mind, one might learn something.
Yes, to your point that you have a choice to create this thread. You actually have the right to do so. Policing it by being insulting just because someone has a differing opinion, sees the very possible negative affects of it, is is not part of the choice.You want to 4DD dngs then form a premade... fake roles should be heavily punished in GF.
As I have said, you want to ensure everything is up to your standards and that they are high enough CP, then form your own group. Zos added that feature at launch.Edited by idk on December 3, 2017 7:12PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
I've already tried using logic on this guy.
Now comes the response where he insults you and says your post is off topic.
Ive yet to see you post 1 constructive thing on this thread. All you do is troll.
@Jawbone78 .... still bitter at the DPS queue times... hmmm
Nope..I queue as fake tank. Instant queue. Ha!
Nothing you can do about it. Ha again!
Here is the proof... this guy doesnt want improvements as he is part of the problem...
Nope again. I actually do play a S&B tank. Just proving my point that you can't possibly know what I play by just looking at me.
That's why your idea is silly.1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
You have 1 or 2 heals on your bar so you can heal... well duh...
Fake tanks dont tank though.
Massively underlevelled is not an opinion.
CP 200 in 3 players is way underlevelled on hardest vet content.
I love how people like you try to resist change because it suits you... yoy dont like others having choice just to be penalised.
I love how people miss the point.
What you consider a fake tank or fake healer is not the same as someone else. I fake tank with a taunt but since I do not have a S&B or heavy armor and am doing more dps that the rest some consider me a fake tank.
Really, read the forums more and you will see much different takes on what a fake tank or healer is.
Besides, you have a choice and I spelled it out. Use it.
Insulting those that have a different opinion is not appropriate. It does not add anything to the thread and can easily lead to the thread becoming toxic.
I have a choice to make a post on this forum about suggestions for improvement.
You have a choice, dont like it be a troll, be constructive or scroll on by...
See here's proof! If you don't agree with OP, you're not being constructive and you're a troll.
Nothing to see here folks. Just a person who has no idea how to disagree with normal humans.
You posted you are a fake tank so dont lie... you are part of the problem and a good reason to implement counter measures like perma group blocking, reporting fornot doing role and reduced penalty for people doing their roles who want to back out while you fake role
As I've said many times. A fake tank isn't a problem unless it's causing wipes. Then yes, if the group can't move on, sure. Do what you need to do.
Otherwise, who cares? I'll tell you who..snobby players who think it's thier business to tell others how to play a game.
If it's a problem, then it is what it is. If not, please, step off your high horse.
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swirve✭✭✭✭1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
I've already tried using logic on this guy.
Now comes the response where he insults you and says your post is off topic.
Ive yet to see you post 1 constructive thing on this thread. All you do is troll.
@Jawbone78 .... still bitter at the DPS queue times... hmmm
Nope..I queue as fake tank. Instant queue. Ha!
Nothing you can do about it. Ha again!
Here is the proof... this guy doesnt want improvements as he is part of the problem...
Nope again. I actually do play a S&B tank. Just proving my point that you can't possibly know what I play by just looking at me.
That's why your idea is silly.1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
You have 1 or 2 heals on your bar so you can heal... well duh...
Fake tanks dont tank though.
Massively underlevelled is not an opinion.
CP 200 in 3 players is way underlevelled on hardest vet content.
I love how people like you try to resist change because it suits you... yoy dont like others having choice just to be penalised.
I love how people miss the point.
What you consider a fake tank or fake healer is not the same as someone else. I fake tank with a taunt but since I do not have a S&B or heavy armor and am doing more dps that the rest some consider me a fake tank.
Really, read the forums more and you will see much different takes on what a fake tank or healer is.
Besides, you have a choice and I spelled it out. Use it.
Insulting those that have a different opinion is not appropriate. It does not add anything to the thread and can easily lead to the thread becoming toxic.
I have a choice to make a post on this forum about suggestions for improvement.
You have a choice, dont like it be a troll, be constructive or scroll on by...
See here's proof! If you don't agree with OP, you're not being constructive and you're a troll.
Nothing to see here folks. Just a person who has no idea how to disagree with normal humans.
You posted you are a fake tank so dont lie... you are part of the problem and a good reason to implement counter measures like perma group blocking, reporting fornot doing role and reduced penalty for people doing their roles who want to back out while you fake role
As I've said many times. A fake tank isn't a problem unless it's causing wipes. Then yes, if the group can't move on, sure. Do what you need to do.
Otherwise, who cares? I'll tell you who..snobby players who think it's thier business to tell others how to play a game.
If it's a problem, then it is what it is. If not, please, step off your high horse.
A fake tank is a problem when the real healer is having to tank and group heal...
Dont excuse your bad behaviour.
You want to fake tank go do it with premades and stop forcing others to suffer your selfishness without punishment of queue time bans.0 -
swirve✭✭✭✭1. One would not be able to tell if the tank, or healer, are fake. Heck, for most vet dungeons I have only one or two heals on mybar. Am I fake? No.
2. Massively under leveled is an opinion. I have seen CP160 players as healers that have out DPSed the CP capped players. Skill is more important and one cannot tell that from looking at the group before entering the dungeon.
3. The penalty if fine. If you choose to drop the group, especially before even getting started, enjoy the penalty. That is why it is there.
What I find hilarious is, in a vet dungeon, as soon as I spawned in the CP capped healer was attempting to vote kick a CP 100 player. The vote failed and the healer dropped group, good riddance. We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon and that CP 100 DPS was not an issue. That is why I find these posts hilarious.
If OP wants to know what he/her group is like before entering the dungeon Zos already added that ability. Form your own group. Very simple and easy solution. Guilds are great sources. If your only requirements is an actual tank and high CP dps then you can form it from zone
The only part I agree with, the only part that would be a good change to GF is a check box to include in progress groups for your possible queueing.
You have 1 or 2 heals on your bar so you can heal... well duh...
Fake tanks dont tank though.
Massively underlevelled is not an opinion.
CP 200 in 3 players is way underlevelled on hardest vet content.
I love how people like you try to resist change because it suits you... yoy dont like others having choice just to be penalised.
I love how people miss the point.
What you consider a fake tank or fake healer is not the same as someone else. I fake tank with a taunt but since I do not have a S&B or heavy armor and am doing more dps that the rest some consider me a fake tank.
Really, read the forums more and you will see much different takes on what a fake tank or healer is.
Besides, you have a choice and I spelled it out. Use it.
Insulting those that have a different opinion is not appropriate. It does not add anything to the thread and can easily lead to the thread becoming toxic.
I have a choice to make a post on this forum about suggestions for improvement.
You have a choice, dont like it be a troll, be constructive or scroll on by...
I placed in bold exactly what I am speaking about that it is inappropriate to be insulting to those that have a differing opinion.
I have provided an appropriate response to your opinion, explained points and provided very possible examples of how it would negatively impact GF, yet you call be a troll since it differs from what you would like.
It is always advisable to consider the ideas and thoughts of others since, if done with an actual open mind, one might learn something.
Yes, to your point that you have a choice to create this thread. You actually have the right to do so. Policing it by being insulting just because someone has a differing opinion, sees the very possible negative affects of it, is is not part of the choice.You want to 4DD dngs then form a premade... fake roles should be heavily punished in GF.
As I have said, you want to ensure everything is up to your standards and that they are high enough CP, then form your own group. Zos added that feature at launch.
ZoS added the feature to form premades.... GF us supposed to be 2xDPS a real tank and real healer.
You want to go against that form your premade0
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