balance ideas

lucky_Sage · October 2017

Dragonknight

elderdragon passive into a cost reduction passive.

making standard give a group but like minor heroism and make shifting standard into a player based aoe to make it mmore viable for pvp and both changes to it will help give dks something to bring to the group that wardens and tank sup sorcs don't do better.

give the reflective plate morph removes roots and snares instead of minor ward.this change with some sustain buffs would allow magdks not to be forced into vampire and with shuffle change help heavy armor stam dks if choose to use magicka.

a passive that minorly counters purge like maybe everytime a dk DoT is removed from targets gets 35 weapon and spell dmg stacking up 10 times for 6 seconds which would give the dk time to reaplay some but with thoughtful cleansing from healer or Templar wouldn't allow it to get out of hand and to strong

a stonefirst rework should happen a aoe heal like blessing of protection and it also sets enemies off balance who get hit by it. one morph can full on stun and the other can give ally a HoT. (fits in with them making everyclass has a line for each role) animation would be puching the ground and a magma shock wave in front of caster

fragmented shield should now scale off max magicka and give a HoT effect on it

ash cloud reduce cost and increase dmg to be on par with sorcs and nb ground aoe make it cast on the feet of the caster.

sorc

crystal shard base spell should have proc chance then the player chooses single target burst like lower cost or aoe and stun

templar

balanced warrior should alsao increase magick dmg

pucturing strikes now also builds but stacks going to 8 times and stuns the target for 2 seconds and is unlockable only one enemy can be stunned by it at a time

warden

give swarm increases dmg to low health targets just like posion injection and one morph should be stam

increase the duration on falcons swiftness to 15 seconds

I main a dk so I have more ideas for them sorry I don't know much of nightblades at all and limited on other classes.

blocking should be looked into its one of the reasons they say dks are strong in pvp but they use as crutch this guys has a good idea @krathos https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/376284/change-how-block-is-calculated-how-to-fix-the-real-perma-block-issue/p1

heavy armor

the wrath change is fine but a passive being slit up into 2 without buffing them doesn't makes sense but a new passive should have been made like light and heavy attacks now restore 50% of the other resource so a destroy staff would give some stam back dw would give some magick back

medium armor

when dodge rolling should reduce dmg by 20% to help it with undodgeables

maybe the weapon dmg passive should become a flat value something that competes with light armor spell pen

destruction staff

ancient knowledge should give you the passive without a ability slotted to be on par with 2h and DW

Elemental Susceptibility should taunt the enemy with a frost staff equipped

please add on if you want and give your opinion but keep constructive and reasonable ideas.

lucky_Sage · November 2017

putting it back to the top of page

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · November 2017

Just skimmed but the biggest thing is that there was a stun on sweeps/jabs for a long time, it was a bad idea then and it is a bad idea now.

lucky_Sage · November 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Just skimmed but the biggest thing is that there was a stun on sweeps/jabs for a long time, it was a bad idea then and it is a bad idea now.

that's because it was like a 1 sec stun or less if it last 2.5 secs and its not right away it may work better and be unblockable

but I easily could be wrong

swirve · November 2017

Balance idea:

Templar:

Fix Jesus beam, its pretty much niche low value atm as its only barely worth running at ~ >10%

Anything less than 25% where it becomes effective is crap.

Ragnarock41 · November 2017

swirve wrote: »

Balance idea:

Templar:

Fix Jesus beam, its pretty much niche low value atm as its only barely worth running at ~ >10%

Anything less than 25% where it becomes effective is crap.

There is a very good reason that skill got nerfed.
and even with the nerf Its still a strong zerg tool. templar can have buffs, but not on jesus beam, no thanks.
Now make templars actually killable, then they can get buffs.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · November 2017

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

Balance idea:

Templar:

Fix Jesus beam, its pretty much niche low value atm as its only barely worth running at ~ >10%

Anything less than 25% where it becomes effective is crap.

There is a very good reason that skill got nerfed.
and even with the nerf Its still a strong zerg tool. templar can have buffs, but not on jesus beam, no thanks.
Now make templars actually killable, then they can get buffs.

Block or interrupted with venom arrow or crushing shock. It is a bright yellow beam.

Templar are crap DPS in pve without Jesus beam working like it did. Just because you can't figure out how to defend against it in PvP, don't gimp an entire class in pve.

Qbiken · November 2017

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

Balance idea:

Templar:

Fix Jesus beam, its pretty much niche low value atm as its only barely worth running at ~ >10%

Anything less than 25% where it becomes effective is crap.

There is a very good reason that skill got nerfed.
and even with the nerf Its still a strong zerg tool. templar can have buffs, but not on jesus beam, no thanks.
Now make templars actually killable, then they can get buffs.

There´s a big difference between something being nerfed and being broken......

Ragnarock41 · November 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

Balance idea:

Templar:

Fix Jesus beam, its pretty much niche low value atm as its only barely worth running at ~ >10%

Anything less than 25% where it becomes effective is crap.

There is a very good reason that skill got nerfed.
and even with the nerf Its still a strong zerg tool. templar can have buffs, but not on jesus beam, no thanks.
Now make templars actually killable, then they can get buffs.

Block or interrupted with venom arrow or crushing shock. It is a bright yellow beam.

Templar are crap DPS in pve without Jesus beam working like it did. Just because you can't figure out how to defend against it in PvP, don't gimp an entire class in pve.

As I said , It got nerfed for a reason
Its called ''jesus beam'' for a reason

what do you think will happen if they just go ahead and fix magplar scalings?

I will tell you, literally everyone in this game will play a magplar because why would you not play a class that has purge, ranged execute, endless OP heals, ridicilous burst damage?

Right now templar is not top dog but is just a few buffs away from dominating everywhere in PvP.
healplars are literally unkillable, magplars and stamplars are veery, very strong in right hands and they have great group utility aswell.

swirve · November 2017

The whole nerf Jesus beam in PvP is a joke tbf. People were complaining that a dozen players could kill them using it...

Try killing someone 1v1 with Jesus beam prior to the fix.

Also in PvE, yes PvE its an absolute joke ability.

I wouldnt care if they made it zero dmg above 25% they just need to improve it as am reasonable execute because as it currently stands it is terrible.

Ragnarock41 · November 2017

swirve wrote: »

The whole nerf Jesus beam in PvP is a joke tbf. People were complaining that a dozen players could kill them using it...

Try killing someone 1v1 with Jesus beam prior to the fix.

Also in PvE, yes PvE its an absolute joke ability.

I wouldnt care if they made it zero dmg above 25% they just need to improve it as am reasonable execute because as it currently stands it is terrible.

Its a very bad design of a skill.
Magplar can have power in somewhere else.
It needs a rework, It just lacks risk in pvp.

Actually a range nerf would put it in line.
reduce the range to 10m and then fix the scaling.
That way templars would need to actually get in some danger in pvp, while in pve I would be a net buff.

Qbiken · November 2017

It´s not about buffing Templar for PvE/PvP. It´s about fixing a skill that´s broken. There should be no conditions to fix something that´s broken or not working as intended.

Ragnarock41 · November 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

It´s not about buffing Templar for PvE/PvP. It´s about fixing a skill that´s broken. There should be no conditions to fix something that´s broken or not working as intended.

If Its about fixing something broken, Im pretty sure DK has some priority to get fixed before templar.

IF there should be no condition to fix something that's broken,

I want a fix to wings, chains,petrify,inferno,dk standart,leap,volatile armor,corrosive armor....

almost all the dk abilities are broken or nerfed to being useless.

This is done because zos wanted to ''fix'' Dk.

You want your class ''fixed'' by the same guys who did this to dk ? good luck sir.

Neoauspex · November 2017

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

The whole nerf Jesus beam in PvP is a joke tbf. People were complaining that a dozen players could kill them using it...

Try killing someone 1v1 with Jesus beam prior to the fix.

Also in PvE, yes PvE its an absolute joke ability.

I wouldnt care if they made it zero dmg above 25% they just need to improve it as am reasonable execute because as it currently stands it is terrible.

Its a very bad design of a skill.
Magplar can have power in somewhere else.
It needs a rework, It just lacks risk in pvp.

Actually a range nerf would put it in line.
reduce the range to 10m and then fix the scaling.
That way templars would need to actually get in some danger in pvp, while in pve I would be a net buff.

This has been discussed at length in PTS threads. Leave the range but make the damage scale inversely based on distance. That way people casting it from behind a zerg won't do significant damage, but it's still a useful execute when the Templar is in melee range (and at risk).

IlCanis_LupuslI · November 2017

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

It´s not about buffing Templar for PvE/PvP. It´s about fixing a skill that´s broken. There should be no conditions to fix something that´s broken or not working as intended.

If Its about fixing something broken, Im pretty sure DK has some priority to get fixed before templar.

IF there should be no condition to fix something that's broken,

I want a fix to wings, chains,petrify,inferno,dk standart,leap,volatile armor,corrosive armor....

almost all the dk abilities are broken or nerfed to being useless.

This is done because zos wanted to ''fix'' Dk.

You want your class ''fixed'' by the same guys who did this to dk ? good luck sir.

@Ragnarock41
Wanna swap???

----a ticked off nb
(Shadow figure broken, Surprise attack broken, Stealth useless it's off my PvP bar, mass hysteria nerfed, only range cc removed for a useless skill only good for committing suicide--->spamm till low hp then use ravage health potion, nerfed siphoning attacks, etc.)

ak_pvp · November 2017

DK:

Remove chains. Make stonefist the pull. Allow any height, even keeps. Have a 1s stun before pull so it can be broken free. Remove CC immunity if not broken free.
Make chains some stamina morph, maybe healing.
InfernAoE. At least the heal. Also give the heal morph an AoE 1 effect purge every 5s.
Wings 3 reflects per person. The plate morph should remove roots+snares for 6s
General sustain buff.

I think the damage done by a DK is fine, its only low because the only defense is turtling.

Templar:

Eclipse morph to be blinding flashes.
Mag morph of sweeps
Scaling bugs fixed.
Purge cheapened, but changed to a 1/2/2 effect purge over 3 s

Sorc:

Buff streak, not to infinity, but buff
Multiple mines in a row should hurt badly.
Increase boundless speed buff.
Options to have the pet close like netch.
Lower defensive rune cost. Make the other rune similar to before, but stam based with a physical dot. The not breaking on dots worked well on a stamsorc, but now its sort of just petrify.

AcadianPaladin · November 2017

Balancing ESO depends upon first accepting that PvP and PvE need to be balanced separately. Until then, the effort is futile.

Destruent · November 2017

lol...sure, balancing jesus beam around getting zerged will make this game better

Hint for you guys: that ability is useless in pve and pvp since morrowind...
Everytime i get targeted by it, i either laugh and heal or just heal...unless i'm outnumbered this ability doesn't do anything. (and no...i don't play magplar at all...stamplar it is atm...)

Waffennacht · November 2017

Surprised nobody has batted an eye at the warden buff

ak_pvp · November 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

Surprised nobody has batted an eye at the warden buff

Because they are decent ideas that make the class more accessible, but not OP. Not what I would do but eh. The dot has its own cute niche extras so doesn't need buffs, just fixing the scaling.

Waffennacht · December 2017

@ak_pvp I'm a part of the, "no more nerfs" crowd, just surprised the idea didn't get someone tar and feathered.

swirve · December 2017

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

It´s not about buffing Templar for PvE/PvP. It´s about fixing a skill that´s broken. There should be no conditions to fix something that´s broken or not working as intended.

If Its about fixing something broken, Im pretty sure DK has some priority to get fixed before templar.

IF there should be no condition to fix something that's broken,

I want a fix to wings, chains,petrify,inferno,dk standart,leap,volatile armor,corrosive armor....

almost all the dk abilities are broken or nerfed to being useless.

This is done because zos wanted to ''fix'' Dk.

You want your class ''fixed'' by the same guys who did this to dk ? good luck sir.

I main a mDK and mPlar... they can fix all they like as they the former is fkd anyways.

Gprime31 · December 2017

lucky_Sage wrote: »

Dragonknight
elderdragon passive into a cost reduction passive.

making standard give a group but like minor heroism and make shifting standard into a player based aoe to make it mmore viable for pvp and both changes to it will help give dks something to bring to the group that wardens and tank sup sorcs don't do better.

give the reflective plate morph removes roots and snares instead of minor ward.this change with some sustain buffs would allow magdks not to be forced into vampire and with shuffle change help heavy armor stam dks if choose to use magicka.

a passive that minorly counters purge like maybe everytime a dk DoT is removed from targets gets 35 weapon and spell dmg stacking up 10 times for 6 seconds which would give the dk time to reaplay some but with thoughtful cleansing from healer or Templar wouldn't allow it to get out of hand and to strong

a stonefirst rework should happen a aoe heal like blessing of protection and it also sets enemies off balance who get hit by it. one morph can full on stun and the other can give ally a HoT. (fits in with them making everyclass has a line for each role) animation would be puching the ground and a magma shock wave in front of caster

fragmented shield should now scale off max magicka and give a HoT effect on it

ash cloud reduce cost and increase dmg to be on par with sorcs and nb ground aoe make it cast on the feet of the caster.

sorc
crystal shard base spell should have proc chance then the player chooses single target burst like lower cost or aoe and stun

templar
balanced warrior should alsao increase magick dmg

pucturing strikes now also builds but stacks going to 8 times and stuns the target for 2 seconds and is unlockable only one enemy can be stunned by it at a time

warden
give swarm increases dmg to low health targets just like posion injection and one morph should be stam

increase the duration on falcons swiftness to 15 seconds

I main a dk so I have more ideas for them sorry I don't know much of nightblades at all and limited on other classes.

blocking should be looked into its one of the reasons they say dks are strong in pvp but they use as crutch this guys has a good idea @krathos https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/376284/change-how-block-is-calculated-how-to-fix-the-real-perma-block-issue/p1

heavy armor
the wrath change is fine but a passive being slit up into 2 without buffing them doesn't makes sense but a new passive should have been made like light and heavy attacks now restore 50% of the other resource so a destroy staff would give some stam back dw would give some magick back

medium armor
when dodge rolling should reduce dmg by 20% to help it with undodgeables

maybe the weapon dmg passive should become a flat value something that competes with light armor spell pen

destruction staff
ancient knowledge should give you the passive without a ability slotted to be on par with 2h and DW

Elemental Susceptibility should taunt the enemy with a frost staff equipped

please add on if you want and give your opinion but keep constructive and reasonable ideas.

Healing in general is too strong, the skills are fine just make cooldowns, like 20sec, 40sec, not perma-spam and Ults regen way too fast..need to make once every 2-5 min or so, not 5 resto ults in 2 min!

ak_pvp · December 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

@ak_pvp I'm a part of the, "no more nerfs" crowd, just surprised the idea didn't get someone tar and feathered.

I mean, some nerfs are needed. But I think if you nerf something, something else needs buffing to balance it out. Every class should hit 2 of the 3 (damage/tankiness/mobility) quotas. And have enough unique flare.

Ragnarock41 · December 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

@ak_pvp I'm a part of the, "no more nerfs" crowd, just surprised the idea didn't get someone tar and feathered.

sadly sometimes nerfs are the only way to balance things.
But I agree with @ak_pvp , if you take away power from a class because an ability overperforms , you must give them power in some other ability/passive to balance it.

This also should be case after big indirect nerfs.

UnversedNumber3 · December 2017

I didn tread everything but I did see the taunt with elemental susceptibility while wielding an ice staff. There is a few reasons why I think this is a bad idea.

1. Elemental susceptibility and its morphs are free to cast and ranged. This as a taut would outclass other taunts and is not really fair.

2. This is not really fair to DPS that are using a frost staff (I know there arent very many). When I run solo or small group I sometimes run ele drain and I dont want to be taunting the boss every 20ish seconds.

3. A heavy attack from a frost staff already taunts do you need ele drain to taunt as well?

ak_pvp · December 2017

UnversedNumber3 wrote: »

I didn tread everything but I did see the taunt with elemental susceptibility while wielding an ice staff. There is a few reasons why I think this is a bad idea.

1. Elemental susceptibility and its morphs are free to cast and ranged. This as a taut would outclass other taunts and is not really fair.

2. This is not really fair to DPS that are using a frost staff (I know there arent very many). When I run solo or small group I sometimes run ele drain and I dont want to be taunting the boss every 20ish seconds.

3. A heavy attack from a frost staff already taunts do you need ele drain to taunt as well?

It would be instead of heavy attacks. And it is only one morph, one that no one really uses unless on a target dummy, so no change there. It would be a unique buff that allows frost staff to keep up taunt indefinitely, sacrificing extra strength for utility.