Why Warden?

Vhozek · December 2017

Is it because Vvardenfell starts with VVARDEN?

Taleof2Cities · December 2017

Vhozek wrote: »

Is it because Vvardenfell starts with VVARDEN?

That's speculation at best ... but why not?

bitels · December 2017

Warden (with that name) was planned class in early stages of game, but for whatever reasons it that was cut from the final release.
So the name is only coincidence- fun coincidence tho

logarifmik · December 2017

Vhozek wrote: »

Is it because Vvardenfell starts with VVARDEN?

And he fell somewhere. Where?

Tryxus · December 2017

logarifmik wrote: »

Vhozek wrote: »

Is it because Vvardenfell starts with VVARDEN?

And he fell somewhere. Where?

How do you think Red Mountain came to be?

EttinTheBreton · December 2017

logarifmik wrote: »

Vhozek wrote: »

Is it because Vvardenfell starts with VVARDEN?

And he fell somewhere. Where?

VVarden fell down from up on Baar Dau
Striding the cliff and sailing 'morrow's wind
Missin' the docks leading to High Rock
None can discern the scorn from Vec's brow
Dove for the water and grinned

starkerealm · December 2017

bitels wrote: »

Warden (with that name) was planned class in early stages of game, but for whatever reasons it that was cut from the final release.
So the name is only coincidence- fun coincidence tho

From what I've seen from early beta testers, the Warden was never really functional in beta. There were issues with the animal companion skill line that were never fully ironed out, and the result is substantially different. You could ask someone like @SirAndy for clarification, though.

SirAndy · December 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Warden (with that name) was planned class in early stages of game, but for whatever reasons it that was cut from the final release.
So the name is only coincidence- fun coincidence tho

From what I've seen from early beta testers, the Warden was never really functional in beta. There were issues with the animal companion skill line that were never fully ironed out, and the result is substantially different. You could ask someone like @SirAndy for clarification, though.

@starkerealm
That is correct, the Warden was a playable class during very early beta but unfortunately it was completely broken and pretty much unusable.

I'm glad it's back and working much better this time.

Verbal_Earthworm · December 2017

i heard that vvardenfell should have been wardenfell but the original creator didnt have a working w key and so used two vs instead, making Warden an obvious choice

OutLaw_Nynx · December 2017

SirAndy wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Warden (with that name) was planned class in early stages of game, but for whatever reasons it that was cut from the final release.
So the name is only coincidence- fun coincidence tho

From what I've seen from early beta testers, the Warden was never really functional in beta. There were issues with the animal companion skill line that were never fully ironed out, and the result is substantially different. You could ask someone like @SirAndy for clarification, though.

@starkerealm
That is correct, the Warden was a playable class during very early beta but unfortunately it was completely broken and pretty much unusable.

I'm glad it's back and working much better this time.

Oooo @SirAndy, I heard rumour long long ago that aside from the Warden class they had another class but it never was brought to beta. Have you heard anything about that?

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Classes

Yeah at the bottom! An unknown sixth class was also planned.. hmmm

Lyserus · December 2017

Let's take a look at original DD classes, and ESO equivalents:
Fighter: Fighter guild&many weapon skill lines&DK
Rogue: NB&dark brotherhood&thief guild
Wizard:Destro&mage guild
Babarian: 2h &dual wield skill lines. Maybe werewolf count too.
Cleric&Paladin&Monk : Templar&Restro
Warlock&Sorcerer: Sorcerer
Ranger: bow&Warden
Druid:Warden
Bard.

Only the bard class is missing and really in ESO it suits more a world skill line than a true class. And let's take a look at the “role” our classes have when they are designed （I know you can fit other role in, but still）:
DK: Tank
Templar:Heal
Sorc: AOE damage
NB: DOT damage
Warden: Support（buffer）

Warden's role （I repeat I know any class can do any role, but here I'm referring to the main design thought） is already kinda awkward since we don't have 5ppl content, and missing tank/heal/dps for a support isn't ideal.

Still Warden is still kinda all around and provide the “natural&ice” class we've been missing. But have a look after we know we really don't need a sixth class

SirAndy · December 2017

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Oooo @SirAndy, I heard rumour long long ago that aside from the Warden class they had another class but it never was brought to beta. Have you heard anything about that?

@OutLaw_Nynx
Only rumors and speculation, most of which pointed towards a hunter/ranger type class.

OutLaw_Nynx · December 2017

@SirAndy

Which that could be the Warden.

SirAndy · December 2017

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

@SirAndy
Which that could be the Warden.

@OutLaw_Nynx
No, that was separate from the Warden. The Warden already existed in beta.

What was (still is) missing was a second medium armor defensive thief related class.
Hence the rumors for a Hunter/Ranger type class.

Light Armor
Offensive: Sorcerer
Defensive: Warden

Medium Armor
Offensive: Nightblade
Defensive: Hunter/Ranger

Heavy Armor
Offensive: Dragon Knight
Defensive: Templar

OutLaw_Nynx · December 2017

Oooo okay. Sorry I’m dumb af.

MaleAmazon · December 2017

Melee magic weapons are still 'missing'. I´d like to see a new weapon skill with magic weapons, maybe iron knuckles-style but magic. Maybe with a monk-style fighter, more of a medium armour warrior that isn´t so focused on stealth.

It isn´t lore-unfriendly either, we have unarmed in the game, just not as a skill, and it was a skill in Morrowind.

RobDaCool · December 2017

I've always wondered about the Warden. I mean while played Skyrim or Oblivion etc. I have never asked myself "You know, I want a character with a bear"

exeeter702 · December 2017

Lyserus wrote: »

Let's take a look at original DD classes, and ESO equivalents:
Fighter: Fighter guild&many weapon skill lines&DK
Rogue: NB&dark brotherhood&thief guild
Wizard:Destro&mage guild
Babarian: 2h &dual wield skill lines. Maybe werewolf count too.
Cleric&Paladin&Monk : Templar&Restro
Warlock&Sorcerer: Sorcerer
Ranger: bow&Warden
Druid:Warden
Bard.

Only the bard class is missing and really in ESO it suits more a world skill line than a true class. And let's take a look at the “role” our classes have when they are designed （I know you can fit other role in, but still）:
DK: Tank
Templar:Heal
Sorc: AOE damage
NB: DOT damage
Warden: Support（buffer）

Warden's role （I repeat I know any class can do any role, but here I'm referring to the main design thought） is already kinda awkward since we don't have 5ppl content, and missing tank/heal/dps for a support isn't ideal.

Still Warden is still kinda all around and provide the “natural&ice” class we've been missing. But have a look after we know we really don't need a sixth class

No.... not "but still"..

Classes in this game fulfill themes and playstyle types, not role emphasis. Warden was added to the game not to fufill a missing peice to group compositions. It was added because that particular class archetype ie. Nature, frost, wildlife was not represented for player access, nothing more nothing less. Wardens were never EVER billed as a "buffer". Rich lambert labeled them as a well rounded class but that was PR more than anything. They know then as well as the informed playerbase does now, that any class coming into this game that does not produce effective results in AT LEAST one of the 3 roles is DOA. Classes in eso are desinged to perfrom in all three roles in different various ways. Balance and tuning issues aside, your class / role rundown is a complete false assumption.