More Content, Needs More Storage…

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · November 2017

With the release of more zones we get more stuff we need/want to store. Yet, we don’t get additional storage options. I’ve heard people say that ZOS is limiting our storage because it chokes the servers or whatever. I call BS on that since anyone can own all the houses and fill them with thousands of items (collectively) that are linked to our account. Should we get increased storage options with the release of each new zone? I believe so. What do you all think?

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Apache_Kid · November 2017

Yes

Inventory management sucks and it's boring.

rootimus · November 2017

No

The issue is less storage and far more the lack of any useful in-game means to organise our stuffs.

Sigtric · November 2017

More storage is nice but until you understand the tech behind storage in an online game in general, and the differences between how that works and how placing a decoration in a housing instance works, you might keep your BS calls to yourself.

DMuehlhausen · November 2017

No

I'm guessing that eventually houses will have something. With the Chapter next June-ish time they will probably expand it as well.

Apache_Kid · November 2017

Yes

Sigtric wrote: »

More storage is nice but until you understand the tech behind storage in an online game in general, and the differences between how that works and how placing a decoration in a housing instance works, you might keep your BS calls to yourself.

If they haven't figured out how to implement storage in houses when the houses were released in early February then thats on them. Not me, you, OP, or any other player.

Sigtric · November 2017

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

More storage is nice but until you understand the tech behind storage in an online game in general, and the differences between how that works and how placing a decoration in a housing instance works, you might keep your BS calls to yourself.

If they haven't figured out how to implement storage in houses when the houses were released in early February then thats on them. Not me, you, OP, or any other player.

Housing items and storage are two different systems. OP called out 1000s of housing items. These have no impact on gear storage as the houses are instanced. All that stuff only loads when you zone into the house.

Actual storage on the other hand is something that is not instanced. It has to be available anywhere there is a banker, which is every where. If that database becomes too large it will take longer to load in.

Users asking for more storage suddenly finding out they can now hold 10x as much as they were previously a) will just find themselves wanting more storage again because the problem is hoarding and b) will then turn to [snip] about how the bank takes several minutes to load all items.

ZOS having figured out or not adding extra item (not furnishing) storage inside houses is irrelevant in this situation, it is its own issue.

idk · November 2017

Zos significantly increased the max possible storage earlier this year. I seriously doubt they'll do it again soon unless they add an armory or double character bag space for ESO+.

The poll will serve no real purpose since it is clearly known most everyone would want more, more, more and for free.

xaraan · November 2017

No

I'm always unpopular in these threads, but no.

There is plenty of storage in the game. You don't need to save everything.

SirAndy · November 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

Actual storage on the other hand is something that is not instanced. It has to be available anywhere there is a banker, which is every where. If that database becomes too large it will take longer to load in.

While this is true, a simple change to the way that is handled could alleviate most of the loading time.

Simply store a copy of all your items locally on the client side and just send a quick session based hash when the user logs in to verify that the client content hasn't been tampered with since the last logout and you're good to go without any need to download the whole inventory/bank/bag.

Combine that with a quick server side validation when one actually wants to remove an item from the bank/storage and you're good to go with minimal computing/network overhead and ample security.

Rouven · November 2017

What was the answer half a year ago ... (or longer?) ... only 2% of players have their inventory maxed out, it's not an issue.

Now I do forget if that was said on the forum or part of an eso live session.

kylewwefan · November 2017

Yes

Inventory control is OP AF. Need more space!

LiquidPony · November 2017

Yes

Rouven wrote: »

What was the answer half a year ago ... (or longer?) ... only 2% of players have their inventory maxed out, it's not an issue.

Now I do forget if that was said on the forum or part of an eso live session.

Was a dumb, misleading "statistic" from ZOS then and it's still dumb today. Would be much more useful to see what percentage of active players have maxed inventory. ZOS claims 10 million accounts or whatever, so even something only relevant to a small portion of the total playerbase still might affect hundreds of thousands of people.

And even then, it's not really a rational reason to restrict inventory. If only 2% of players have completed vMoL or vHoF, maybe we should just remove that content from the game? If only 2% of players go into the Imperial Sewers, why not just get rid of it? If 98% of the players don't use 98% of the sets in the game, why have them at all?

Apache_Kid · November 2017

Yes

SirAndy wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Actual storage on the other hand is something that is not instanced. It has to be available anywhere there is a banker, which is every where. If that database becomes too large it will take longer to load in.

While this is true, a simple change to the way that is handled could alleviate most of the loading time.

Simply store a copy of all your items locally on the client side and just send a quick session based hash when the user logs in to verify that the client content hasn't been tampered with since the last logout and you're good to go without any need to download the whole inventory/bank/bag.

Combine that with a quick server side validation when one actually wants to remove an item from the bank/storage and you're good to go with minimal computing/network overhead and ample security.

Yeah what he said!

Apache_Kid · November 2017

Yes

xaraan wrote: »

I'm always unpopular in these threads, but no.

There is plenty of storage in the game. You don't need to save everything.

You don't need to but it helps save time. In a game where devs are constantly messing with balance and even changing the stats for certain sets of armor I think it's only fair that we reserve the right to keep as much Bind on Pickup gear that we want. Too often have I deconned something in the name of saving space that i ended up needing to farm later. Now why if I already earned that gear once before, Should I have to go earn it through rng again? That doesn't seem fair in a universe where ZoS holds literally all the cards.

Ratzkifal · November 2017

No

The question is "More content needs more storage..." to which I say a definite no.
HOWEVER, the space we get is already quite limited and more space will probably not be made to keep the ESO+ craftbag and bank increase an incentive to purchase. So that doesn't mean more space wouldn't be welcome, it just means where we started wasn't enough to begin with (which is unrelated to the addition of content). I am using my mails to manage my inventory by sending stuff to friends, which they return to me, but that only gets you so far until your mailbox is full.
Regardless of whever you like that behavior or not, I really don't think the current situation is too bad even with new content and new monster helmets and AS weapons being added and such, so I don't even view ZOS pushing us to get ESO+ as harmful. Afterall, they are making my favorite game and need to get their bills paid somehow. (ESO+ is still 1000x better than Crown Crates)

ChuckyPayne · November 2017

Yes

Big yes! Why?
I like crafting, I have 9 characters + hireling 1-2 times a day.
I store only craft materials in bank (240 slot) . Without eso+ crafing with lot charcters is a nightmare.

I bought bank assistant. It is helps a lot, but it is not enough, because if I get recipe, sealed book etc can't store, because no room thus
- I store tempers and refined materials in an alt character's inventory.
- I store maps, survey map in other character's inventory.

but I feel 240 slot is not enough to store all crafting materials (it is only max level materials).
with every dlc less and less bank space because of style materials, etc.

Next step: I will craft 100 food/drinks to all alts for daily provisioning quest and I will store all food materials at 3. alt character.

4. and 5. alt store magicka and stamina sets.

Every day 30 min-1 hour to manage inventory.

If u are a crafter without eso+ this game is almost unplayable. need banker assistant and lots of alt characters to store separate items and the situation is worse with every dlc.

But if you want to play you need figure out how to play without eso pls.

Rouven · November 2017

LiquidPony wrote: »

Rouven wrote: »

What was the answer half a year ago ... (or longer?) ... only 2% of players have their inventory maxed out, it's not an issue.

Now I do forget if that was said on the forum or part of an eso live session.

Was a dumb, misleading "statistic" from ZOS then and it's still dumb today. Would be much more useful to see what percentage of active players have maxed inventory. ZOS claims 10 million accounts or whatever, so even something only relevant to a small portion of the total playerbase still might affect hundreds of thousands of people.

And even then, it's not really a rational reason to restrict inventory. If only 2% of players have completed vMoL or vHoF, maybe we should just remove that content from the game? If only 2% of players go into the Imperial Sewers, why not just get rid of it? If 98% of the players don't use 98% of the sets in the game, why have them at all?

Totally. I'd love to hear more about the "housing improvements" that just did not make it at the start. But so far crickets.

Thaumic · November 2017

Yes

My hope for additional storage uses furnishing (so would be instanced and not add any database strain) - armor and weapon stands for housing.

Jpk0012 · November 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

More storage is nice but until you understand the tech behind storage in an online game in general, and the differences between how that works and how placing a decoration in a housing instance works, you might keep your BS calls to yourself.

If they haven't figured out how to implement storage in houses when the houses were released in early February then thats on them. Not me, you, OP, or any other player.

Housing items and storage are two different systems. OP called out 1000s of housing items. These have no impact on gear storage as the houses are instanced. All that stuff only loads when you zone into the house.

Actual storage on the other hand is something that is not instanced. It has to be available anywhere there is a banker, which is every where. If that database becomes too large it will take longer to load in.

Users asking for more storage suddenly finding out they can now hold 10x as much as they were previously a) will just find themselves wanting more storage again because the problem is hoarding and b) will then turn to [snip] about how the bank takes several minutes to load all items.

ZOS having figured out or not adding extra item (not furnishing) storage inside houses is irrelevant in this situation, it is its own issue.

Why not instanced storage then? You can't access it with a banker, you have to zone in.

So...

Tandor · November 2017

No

Would more storage be desirable? Yes. Is it necessary? No. Generally when there is new content, at least some of the old content becomes obsolete.

As for serious crafters struggling to make do without the crafting bag, if you're that seriously into the game then why not subscribe?

LiquidPony · November 2017

Yes

Apache_Kid wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I'm always unpopular in these threads, but no.

There is plenty of storage in the game. You don't need to save everything.

You don't need to but it helps save time. In a game where devs are constantly messing with balance and even changing the stats for certain sets of armor I think it's only fair that we reserve the right to keep as much Bind on Pickup gear that we want. Too often have I deconned something in the name of saving space that i ended up needing to farm later. Now why if I already earned that gear once before, Should I have to go earn it through rng again? That doesn't seem fair in a universe where ZoS holds literally all the cards.

Destiny has a novel solution to that problem: you can break down your Exotics and recreate them later using legendary shards.

So in ESO terms, if you get an Infused Maelstrom Inferno, you could decon it because once you've found it, you can always conjure up a new one by spending some currency.

QuebraRegra · November 2017

Yes

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

More storage is nice but until you understand the tech behind storage in an online game in general, and the differences between how that works and how placing a decoration in a housing instance works, you might keep your BS calls to yourself.

If they haven't figured out how to implement storage in houses when the houses were released in early February then thats on them. Not me, you, OP, or any other player.

oh they figured it out... they're just not going to do it, it's just not profitable for them. They get more money via subs for the craft bag.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · November 2017

Yes

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

More storage is nice but until you understand the tech behind storage in an online game in general, and the differences between how that works and how placing a decoration in a housing instance works, you might keep your BS calls to yourself.

If they haven't figured out how to implement storage in houses when the houses were released in early February then thats on them. Not me, you, OP, or any other player.

oh they figured it out... they're just not going to do it, it's just not profitable for them. They get more money via subs for the craft bag.

I'd pay for more storage...

Apache_Kid · December 2017

Yes

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

More storage is nice but until you understand the tech behind storage in an online game in general, and the differences between how that works and how placing a decoration in a housing instance works, you might keep your BS calls to yourself.

If they haven't figured out how to implement storage in houses when the houses were released in early February then thats on them. Not me, you, OP, or any other player.

oh they figured it out... they're just not going to do it, it's just not profitable for them. They get more money via subs for the craft bag.

I'm fine with them making it ESO+ exclusive feature.

Taleof2Cities · December 2017

No

xaraan wrote: »

I'm always unpopular in these threads, but no.

There is plenty of storage in the game. You don't need to save everything.

I am also unpopular in these threads ... given that you can quantify 3,300 inventory spots within the game currently (not including crafting bag or guild banks).

Morgul667 · December 2017

Yes

Who wants to go home and manage stock ? Boring and could be improved easily by increasing limit and bringing simple tools

Slick_007 · December 2017

No

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

If u are a crafter without eso+ this game is almost unplayable. need banker assistant and lots of alt characters to store separate items and the situation is worse with every dlc.

But if you want to play you need figure out how to play without eso pls.

then you learn to deal with it dont you. sub to eso, all your crafting mats now take up 0 bag slots, and you've doubled your bank size. you dont complain that you need more space, especially when you already have a means to get more space.

even if you subbed for 1month, everything goes in crafting bag and only new things take up bag space.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · December 2017

Yes

I would just love to see more housing slots!!!

ChuckyPayne · December 2017

Yes

Slick_007 wrote: »

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

If u are a crafter without eso+ this game is almost unplayable. need banker assistant and lots of alt characters to store separate items and the situation is worse with every dlc.

But if you want to play you need figure out how to play without eso pls.

then you learn to deal with it dont you. sub to eso, all your crafting mats now take up 0 bag slots, and you've doubled your bank size. you dont complain that you need more space, especially when you already have a means to get more space.

even if you subbed for 1month, everything goes in crafting bag and only new things take up bag space.

I used eso+ for 2 years I know how is works. Very comfortable to use, but I can't and I don't want. I stoped using eso+ and I realized the inventory is a BIG problem without eso+. I like crafting thus I use some time-consuming solution (alts) = if I have few time to play I just log in, log out between alts = inventory management

This is a horror, it is not a free to play game, I don't understeand, why ZOS punish us (players without eso+)

Otherwise 1 month sub not solve anything.
Before the subscription expired I stored materials in large quantities in craft bag (enough for one year), BUT, the usage order is
1) Inventory 2) Craft bag 3) Bank. What does it mean? You play 1 week and bank is full with materials, but there are the same materials in craft bag thus bank never will be used.

1 month sub will solve evrything if ZOS change usage order: 1) Inventory 2) Bank 3) Craft bag

My soultion was, I emptied the craft bag and send to all materials to my wife. She use ESO+ (this was the ultimatum she play with eso+ or uninstall, because she knows very well that horror too).

Reventius · December 2017

Yes

Where do I put my grease and cheese?

The Elder Scrolls Online

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