scipionumatia wrote: »still need to watch out for 1 shot, also sustain will be bad, damage will be bad. that being said it could be fun
Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Fyi, you forgot 20 ultimate for consuming a drink.
You also forgot transfer passive you can utilize every 4? Seconds.
Asylum 2h generates UPTO 14 ultimate. You won't be close to 14 for most of the fight.
Gilliamtherogue wrote: »You'd have more effective Ultimate generation with Tava's Favor. Decisive weapons, Tava's + Blur, Alteration Master for sustain and ult cost reduction, and 2pc Bloodspawn for even more. I'd much rather use Aggressive Warhorn instead of Consuming Darkness though.
Gilliamtherogue wrote: »You'd have more effective Ultimate generation with Tava's Favor. Decisive weapons, Tava's + Blur, Alteration Master for sustain and ult cost reduction, and 2pc Bloodspawn for even more. I'd much rather use Aggressive Warhorn instead of Consuming Darkness though.
He can go faster with reviving barrier, also providing a decent shield to him and his allies (that lasts 30 secs)
Gilliamtherogue wrote: »You'd have more effective Ultimate generation with Tava's Favor. Decisive weapons, Tava's + Blur, Alteration Master for sustain and ult cost reduction, and 2pc Bloodspawn for even more. I'd much rather use Aggressive Warhorn instead of Consuming Darkness though.
Gilliamtherogue wrote: »You'd have more effective Ultimate generation with Tava's Favor. Decisive weapons, Tava's + Blur, Alteration Master for sustain and ult cost reduction, and 2pc Bloodspawn for even more. I'd much rather use Aggressive Warhorn instead of Consuming Darkness though.
He can go faster with reviving barrier, also providing a decent shield to him and his allies (that lasts 30 secs)
You mean replenishing barrier?
Replenishing Barrier: Invoke defensive tactics to protect yourself and nearby allies with wards that each absorb up to X damage. Each time a ward dissolves, you restore 6 Ultimate and X Magicka.
Only problem is it costs ultimate. If the goal is to provide consuming darkness as much as possible, it's not going to help.
Gilliamtherogue wrote: »You'd have more effective Ultimate generation with Tava's Favor. Decisive weapons, Tava's + Blur, Alteration Master for sustain and ult cost reduction, and 2pc Bloodspawn for even more. I'd much rather use Aggressive Warhorn instead of Consuming Darkness though.
He can go faster with reviving barrier, also providing a decent shield to him and his allies (that lasts 30 secs)
You mean replenishing barrier?
Replenishing Barrier: Invoke defensive tactics to protect yourself and nearby allies with wards that each absorb up to X damage. Each time a ward dissolves, you restore 6 Ultimate and X Magicka.
Only problem is it costs ultimate. If the goal is to provide consuming darkness as much as possible, it's not going to help.
Ok, if the idea is to keep you and the group protected, I assume your are picking Bolstering Darkness instead on VoB, right? In that case the shield from barrier is a better protection, because 100% dmg reduction beats 70% dmg reduction.
Now, if the idea is going with the dmg morph, you will do it way better with EotS or even Ele Rage
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Another thing to keep in mind is that defensive Ultimates like bostering darkness and barrier generally only impact six allies at a time. Unless you debuff the mob like with major maim, like Nova from a temp provides, six people is the max you will be providing major protection.
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »@jrk as far as I know, there are no defensive buffs that you can have on more then six allies, I phrazed it like that to give myself some breathing room for the eventual "ACKCHYUALLY" nerds.
Fair.Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »@jrk i think you are trying to hard with something that is not useful in general, instead of trying to defensively buff your team, the most use can get out of your ulti is offensive buffs.
That is ridiculously lackluster.the resto ulti only hits 5 people, one per tick.
Dunno the weight of that statement, but it sounds like he's the ESO comparison to Diablo 3's Nubtro. I will definitely check that out, thanks. I do know it's common for players when they discover something advantageous to keep it to themselves; which makes sharing research somewhat of a struggle.you got a reply from Gilliamtherogue in this thread, that is great, he is probably the best source of information you are looking for, you really ought to check his youtube channel, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1tq9cpMI7uzD7zRakve3nw, he litterally has hour long guides into all the skill lines in the game and spends more time in front of training dummy then the normal person does playing the game.
i would also recommend you rein in your speech, like saying you are "super analytical" and saying things like " science with philosophy" when it comes to a video game, it makes you look like you belong on on https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/ and you don't want to be on that.
Gilliamtherogue wrote: »You'd have more effective Ultimate generation with Tava's Favor. Decisive weapons, Tava's + Blur, Alteration Master for sustain and ult cost reduction, and 2pc Bloodspawn for even more. I'd much rather use Aggressive Warhorn instead of Consuming Darkness though.
He can go faster with reviving barrier, also providing a decent shield to him and his allies (that lasts 30 secs)
You mean replenishing barrier?
Replenishing Barrier: Invoke defensive tactics to protect yourself and nearby allies with wards that each absorb up to X damage. Each time a ward dissolves, you restore 6 Ultimate and X Magicka.
Only problem is it costs ultimate. If the goal is to provide consuming darkness as much as possible, it's not going to help.
Ok, if the idea is to keep you and the group protected, I assume your are picking Bolstering Darkness instead on VoB, right? In that case the shield from barrier is a better protection, because 100% dmg reduction beats 70% dmg reduction.
Now, if the idea is going with the dmg morph, you will do it way better with EotS or even Ele Rage
Before I agree on your ideology on damage mitigation, let me spell out the idea. The idea is to cover one function at it's core and provide support/heals in any way fashionable, using the least to get the most results; same as any competent build. The core function is 100% uptime of Consuming Darkness. I have come to terms one nightblade can't do it, but two can. Having DPS rotate it would require them to nerf their damage (with the goal of higher than normal ult regen) for the sake of Consuming Darkness. That leads me to believe a mirrored pair of nightblade healers could cover a trial group of 12 & rotate ults. That would provide the whole raid major protection at all times. That is.. if the fight is stable and you're not running around every 3 seconds. And even if you do have to shift locations, this setup can shift (e.g. where the 2nd NB lays his ult just north of the former) or move comepletely every 17.5 seconds.
As far as damage or further protection, I agree 100% is better than 70%, but then there is also time. Being healers, you're more than likely going to be able to keep yourself up with aoe heals you're already providing along with the major protection. The other factor of reducing damage in an instance is time. When a boss dies in 6 minutes vs 7, that is a lot less to heal. With that said, I opt for Veil of Blades. Now I haven't messed around with another NB to see what stacks, but I assume (like the update to caltrops) that if two NB's laid down refreshing paths they would stack?
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With covering raid heals & holding up VoB, what other AoE comes to mind from 2 nightblades aside from VoB & 2 refreshing paths?
Drain Power for a direct damage aoe hitter.
Necrotic or Mystic Orb
Dark Shades (not really aoe, but an aoe-ish maim with 4 of them)
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Then there is what you can individually bring that isn't need by both heals. For instance, only one would need to slot an assassination skill for the minor savagery. You could slot Soul Harvest for more ult gen, but you have the ult gen from heroism, decisive & transfer getting the job done without relying on kills for regen. (with pots to provide a quick boost if needed w/ a *** round of decisive procs.)
With that, would blur work in that instance?
With a double nightblade (for ult sake) healer setup, you could also try rolling double Panacea, but using the gear listed above (potenates/alteration) you would need to develop 99 ult in 10 seconds on top of healing everyone. Then again if possible, an instant cast of Regeneration, Blessing of Protection, and Steadfast Ward every 5 seconds would help. I'll stick to the consuming darkness idea. any other thoughts to help promote a NB healing duo?
Fair.Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »@jrk i think you are trying to hard with something that is not useful in general, instead of trying to defensively buff your team, the most use can get out of your ulti is offensive buffs.That is ridiculously lackluster.the resto ulti only hits 5 people, one per tick.Dunno the weight of that statement, but it sounds like he's the ESO comparison to Diablo 3's Nubtro. I will definitely check that out, thanks. I do know it's common for players when they discover something advantageous to keep it to themselves; which makes sharing research somewhat of a struggle.you got a reply from Gilliamtherogue in this thread, that is great, he is probably the best source of information you are looking for, you really ought to check his youtube channel, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1tq9cpMI7uzD7zRakve3nw, he litterally has hour long guides into all the skill lines in the game and spends more time in front of training dummy then the normal person does playing the game.i would also recommend you rein in your speech, like saying you are "super analytical" and saying things like " science with philosophy" when it comes to a video game, it makes you look like you belong on on https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/ and you don't want to be on that.
Oh please don't put me on that level! That was more of a disclaimer to explain why I am the way I am, but I think tangential would have been a better word. I am super analytical, that doesn't make me smart; just focusing more on what's currently happening and not at all where I will be 5 years from now....it's kind of like the Ghost of Chistmas present. Come and know me better man!! You'll find I'm a decent tinkerer, but rather a fool.
The whole science comment was a quote from my dad (an MD) back in the day when I would often combine philosophy & science when discussing theories. Good sound observations lead to more accurate results. Poor observations lead to rationality & confirmation bias.