FastBen wrote: »

if I was accused of cheating when I am simply better than my opponent, I would be very angry and disappointed.

Nonsense. Any reasonable non-liar would laugh heartily and raise their cup at the AP gain.

It's cute how you added the word "very" to angry. Very cute.

Turelus wrote: »

This is why I take every "cheating and hacking rampant in ESO" thread/post with a grain of salt.

Everyone is so sure the enemy cheats, but are unwilling to accept the fact maybe they just didn't understand the situation fully or are just bad at the game. I hate to think how many reports ZOS must get of cheating which have nothing to do with cheating at all.

Also before people jump on the rage posting, yes I am aware cheating does happen and is possible.

ZOS brought that upon themselves with the cheatengine weekend of destruction and by their overall stance on pvp bugs not being hotfix worthy.

When you have obviously broken abilities being reportet ingame, in forums and zos takes months to fix them people grow suspicion that a loss could very well be attributed to exploits/bugs/whatever and you can´t blame them.

Hell half of the time i die it´s bc people exploit broken mechanics (namely soultrap, assassins blade, bowknockback, 100% reproduceable macroslice from sneak) nowadays. Someone less experienced with the games disfunctionalities might very well take that for cheating.
Add in the various occasions of healthdeysnc, missing animations + sounds, double/tripple/perma CC - the game is behaving so inconsistently and is in parts so downright broken it´s hard to imagine your opponent is not cheating (because nobody expects a game to be this disfunctional).

Cheating and exploiting has always been an integral part of ESO.

PvP has/is being affected. I know of quite a few players temp suspended for using Cheat Engine and the sole reason they were 'caught' was players who know builds and classes/skills to report them for suspicious behaviours. By no means, that i witnessed, that ZOS caught these players.

PvE leader boards has/is being exploited constantly. Whether with glitches from the constant rushed releasing of wholly untested content, exploiting broken sets under the same guise or using Cheat Engine/other programs to do so.

Over my 2 years of witnessing this, even from streamers - Using Cheat Engine to exploiting double Mundus buffs etc, who is really playing legit. ESO has never been competitive for the reasons above, unless your looking to push the boundaries of exploitation or cheating.

Rianai wrote: »

@Derra

What is broken about assassins blade?

You´ll have a bad time trying to dodge the unmorphed version

lordrichter wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

This is why I take every "cheating and hacking rampant in ESO" thread/post with a grain of salt.

Honestly, this is why ZOS needs to step up and deal with cheating and hacking within hours of it being reported.

People can't tell whether someone is cheating or just better than them. When ZOS lets players who cheat continue to do it, how can one be expected to know the difference. How can someone who is getting pounded by others expect to learn if some of the people killing him are cheating?

You won't get an argument from me about faster actions nor ZOS screwing up in the past.

However you have to see my point though, even if they do this people are not going to believe them. Many (not all) in the PvP community are so anti-ZOS now that they're not willing to believe anything which is said or that anything is done at all.

There has to be a point where if ZOS takes actions and say they've taken actions players start believing them, otherwise it makes no difference if ZOS says something or doesn't.

Derra wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

Over my 2 years of witnessing this, even from streamers - Using Cheat Engine to exploiting double Mundus buffs etc

And here we have it - exactly what i spoke about when i said ppl don´t know whats going on and label everything as cheating:
It was an exploit in the game. ZOS did not bother to fix it for over 6 months straight. It had nothing to do with cheatengine.
You could even accidentally trigger it.

Yes it could be accidentally triggered, though it would of been rare. Triggering it then changing sets to capitalise on it would of even been less chance. It was also view able on character sheet and/or any buff tracker enabled, coupled with knowing your stats/dmg wasn't right. But hey, claim ignorance to all these factors sure.

Double mundus exploit was around ~6 months. Some may have accidentally triggered it but some definitely exploited it. The list is so big of exploits i have seen over ~2 years i cant even remember them all.

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Now that it’s known that CE is possible in ESO, if ZOS took similar action to that of Wildcard on ARK which involves updating the community on who got banned, I believe that players would have more faith that ZOS are taking measures to combat this and in turn, would act as a deterrent to people currently and contemplating using it. Whereas currently, players don’t have faith because they don’t know that anything is being done.

This. Us trusting ZOS about cheaters, hackers, and botters begins with them being a lot more frequent in their statements. They have to do more than trot out once a quarter and repeat, "we ban people daily for cheating."

There is a line between talking about it too much, and not talking about it enough. They are so far into the "not talking about it" that they can't even see the line.

Turelus wrote: »

I think ZOS being more open (discussing numbers, not names) would be helpful. I don't believe the PC community is mature enough to believe them though. They're far too salty and bitter and most just believe their own crazy conspiracies rather than what ZOS say these days.

Yes, that will happen. This is because ZOS has no credibility in this area. They take action in secret, and take their sweet time about it. When they take public action, they frequently back track on it. They say something, but then they look like they are doing something else.

How many people really believe that all of the players that were exploiting vAS are still banned? I don't. Why? Because history says it is more likely that people were unbanned.

They say they ban bots, and they do ban bots, but there are still bots in the game that have been there for months. No exaggeration. Same exact accounts. Same exact characters. Same exact pattern in the same exact location. Since August. They are going to have to rename the Percolating Mire Wayshrine after these guys because they are going to be a lot more famous than some swamp when they are still there next year. The Eternal Bots Wayshrine.

Anyway, I am sure, they do ban people every day. I have no doubts. They probably unban people every day, too. Possibly in equal numbers.

Credibility is earned. They have to start saying that they are banning people for cheating, hacking and botting, and then they need to do exactly that. When they say it is permanent, it needs to be permanent, or don't say it. They need to tell us they are banning a lot. More than the quarterly statement that we get now. When discussions like these come up, they need to say "we do ban people, and we banned X people for hacking just last week". If they need to improve upon X then they need to do that, too.

Yes, they will be met with skepticism. If they stick with it, that will go away. In time.

This all presumes that they want to do this, and I don't think they really do.

stumpy999 wrote: »

Meh

if you get a good build for pvp, people call you hacker

think of it as carebear tears

make martini's

PVEers are not the only ones that whine, in fact I'd argue that most are PVP players whining.

My opponent: "Nice hacks!"

Me: "Thanks!"

Basically if someone thinks I'm hacking and I know I'm not, I take that as a compliment.

CoJaxDeBrujah wrote: »

Some people seem to be so sure of there power or skill, that the only way for someone to beat them, in their mind, is to employ hacks. The thing is, there is always going to be someone out there that is better or stronger than you. If this guy had just been courteous instead of hurling accusations at me, I may have been willing to give the guy pointers on what he could have done differently, or advised him of good places to grind to get stronger.

The point of this story is when you act like my opponent did you show a lack of willingness to learn and grow. Until you understand that your abilities and knowledge will always have room for improvement, regardless of how good you may think you are, you will never get far in this type of game.

Next time someone beats you ask them how they did it. Figure out what you could have done differently. And over all be nice to your fellow adventurers and they will be more willing to help you when you need it.

Fair points, conversing with someone you suspect is a fairly decent way of gleaning their nature.

The thing you might not realize is that by doing so the "git gud" insulters are nearly always cheaters. You can pick them out in zone if you know what to look for... all in the attitude and the way they say things.

I've had my fair share of accusations and I don't exploit. I've never gotten angry about it, if someone wants to rage... rage away bro. If someone has a lack on understanding of a mechanic.. I'm more than happy to help them. I've actually made gear free of charge to someone new to pvp that was just getting blown up and I spoke to after that explosion (sometimes just to tell them what's up or responding). I've made free gear (purple obviously, I'm not THAT nice... and really if you been playing long enough purple isn't costing you anything but a little bit of time) and I've done it more than once or twice.

The thing is... there is a contingent of exploiters on PC NA. They are known, it's not some sort of mystery that something is awry to most players. They all respond with insults and usually the question "what am I exploiting?". It's pointless to even try to talk to them, they know they are cheats and they have no intention of stopping. Really, other than the "will defend for no reason" types... the only people aren't aware that something is off work for ZOS.

In a game with a cheating problem, 1000 out of 1000 people surveyed don't cheat. You can pick out the ones that just are doing something legit by talking to them 99% of the time. You can pick out the cheats that are cheating by those conversations 0% of the time.