MasterSpatula wrote: »

I TRY to have some good characters and some bad one.

The problems is that ZOS doesn't cooperate. Not that I mind a little moral complexity, a little grey-area, a little having to choose between a wrong and a worse wrong. That's good storytelling.

What I don't appreciate is all the stealth missions they keep putting in that force our heroic characters into situations where they have to sneak in areas that have BLIND CORNERS with NPCs right around the corner, forcing us into a fight for our lives if we can't find the "hiding place." Or, even worse, holiday events that can't be completed without committing a crime and are bugged in such a way that you will inevitably get caught and have to defend yourself.

All of my heroic characters have a few murders in their history, and I frankly find that to be an inexcusably bad design decision.

Not that I would mind it at all if it were scripted, if it were a story point that had actual story consequences. But it's not; you just get put into a position where casual slaughter of innocents is unavoidable and caries no real consequences. I don't mind my evil characters murdering casually, but it should never be casual for my heroes.

Maybe I'm overreacting here, but for a team whose writing and storytelling skills are this good to let encounters this sloppy and bad get through really disappoints me.

I agree with this. It also means your good characters miss out on far more skill points (there goes dark brotherhood, there goes thieves guild, there goes mages guild). Its not as though good people sit on their hands idly by and don't learn things. Bad is not smarter its just a bigger ***. This game leans so far to the bad guy spectrum I am often amazed people try to act like being a good guy is a thing in this game (including the Devs). I can't entirely blame them though, it was needed to put in the tools for the justice system and they had all those tools so it was worthwhile to use them. I'm just hopeful that actually being a hero will be a thing in this game. Some of us would like the option be Companions, Dawnguard, Knights of the However-Many, etc. It would be nice if we could have some heroic content in the game and it would be even nicer if you could actually make choices with that content. They really missed the boat with Order of the Hour & Iron Wheel. Those two factions could have been something cool. They might not have even needed to change the skill lines much. The Order has a 'black dragon' in it. You could have learned her techniques. The Iron Wheel has detectives - you could have been sneaky with this. Subtle differences, slightly altered storylines. Minimal shifts in dialogue. It could have been awesome.

My main is neutral evil
http://www.easydamus.com/neutralevil.html


All of my alts are chaotic good

http://www.easydamus.com/chaoticgood.html

Most of my characters are mostly good.

My main is a character I use in a lot of games, and in DnD she's Chaotic Good - meaning she does what she thinks is right, regardless of what the law says. If she thinks someone needs to die for what they did she will kill them, if she thinks they were justified in doing something which is illegal she will get them go. Likewise she may steal or even murder people (although I don't think she's done that yet) if she thinks it's justified.

My other main (yes I have 2) is pretty much the same, but she's a khajiit so her attitude to stealing is pretty much that if she can get away with it then it's ok.

Most of my other characters are basically good. My crafter has a short-temper and can be aggressive but he won't kill anyone who doesn't deserve it and they'll all sometimes choose to kill someone who could be left alive, but only when they think it's justified.

And then there's Sayel, my bosmer vampire nightblade. He's (intentionally) the complete opposite. I created him to do all the things my other characters would never do. He's a member of both the Thieves Guild and the Darkbrotherhood and will steal anything that's not nailed down (if it is he'll find a hammer and steal the nails too) and will kill anyone, anywhere, for any reason. He's killed people for quests, for contracts, for food, because they would catch him killing someone else and on more than one occasion just because their voice was really annoying. And then there was that business with his sister and the sapling...let's just say he can never go back to Valenwood.

Milvan wrote: »

Also Jesus. Jesus is a Sith.

I don't roleplay.

I mudball roleplayers.

I don't have any toons.

All of my characters would be considered good. I tried Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood. In the former the character in question did the minimum required to get through the Hew's Bane questlines. The same with the latter and the Gold Coast.

Not a single one of my other characters has touched any of that content since.

All my characters have halos held up by horns

I prefer dark charecters that become good, redemption being such a powerful storytelling tool

My main started as an orphan nord street rat who became thief, a diamond in the rough, the kind of person that understands that in such a place you have to work together or you’ll perish. But now the line turns further down, a murder during the course of a robbery starts a decent into madness, after all, in such an unjust world how can there be any point to serving anyone but you? Why avoid a foe when you can kill them instead, she finds that she likes it, it finaly gives her a feeling of power, so by small steps the kind girl becomes a ruthless woman until she ends up in the dark brotherhood. All this is handled in a flashback as the dlc came out after she was created. The main quest drags her along because of her own need to survive, but it ends up changing her because she is exposed to powerful individuals willing to die to save people they will never meet, she learns that she does have the power to make a diffrence and may the divines show mercy on those who get in her way... because she deffinately won’t.

Currently she is a magic based Templar, seemed appropriate for a darkness to light kind of thing.

A lot of my alts come from dark places, they walk her memories as part of their training before going on to each new dlc or expansion, thus explaining how they can keep doing the same stories as if it was them doing it in the first place. All rather neat.

LIE

INTIMIDATE

KILL

IDC

Whatever saves me from extra legwork on my million toons.

I don’t have any “toons”, since I play ESO

Of course, my DKs are all pure and just meanwhile my nightblades work in the shades...because I hate nightblades

I consider all of my characters being "good and nice people" if you will. I just do Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood stuff if/when/since it's required to do the associated content and get the associated achievements. Since this is a game, NPCs and chest contents respawn, and I'm sufficiently able to distinguish that from reality, I have no problem stealing stuff or assassinating people here.

Milvan wrote: »

To this day is the funniest quote of the entire Star Wars universe.

An absolute statement to say that only Sith deals in absolute.

I prefer to call them Argonian