WuffyCerulei wrote: »Unfortunately, warden healers in pve just don't have the best heals. I actually asked my friend from Mechanically Challenged about this the othe day, and she pretty said what you said about Breathe of Life. It's a biggest life-saving heal for pve. There are so many times in pve where the tank and dps aren't stacked or are extremely mobile, so bubbling seeds wouldn't be the best. However, in dungeons, a warden healer could do fine. It's really trials that demand more of those sudden life-saving heals of BoL.
Thank you for this video, KamoChameleon I found it to be very interesting and helpful. I wish I could offer some insight in return but I'm still trying to build my Warden to be an optimal healer and what to put onto the bars because, although the healing aspect seems to work, the character itself is quite squishy and seems to be the first to die in any PVE group scenario.
Nevertheless, I enjoy the Warden healer and have found a comfort zone with it. Your vid has made me feel more confident in my choice
WuffyCerulei wrote: »Unfortunately, warden healers in pve just don't have the best heals. I actually asked my friend from Mechanically Challenged about this the othe day, and she pretty said what you said about Breathe of Life. It's a biggest life-saving heal for pve. There are so many times in pve where the tank and dps aren't stacked or are extremely mobile, so bubbling seeds wouldn't be the best. However, in dungeons, a warden healer could do fine. It's really trials that demand more of those sudden life-saving heals of BoL.
exeeter702 wrote: »WuffyCerulei wrote: »Unfortunately, warden healers in pve just don't have the best heals. I actually asked my friend from Mechanically Challenged about this the othe day, and she pretty said what you said about Breathe of Life. It's a biggest life-saving heal for pve. There are so many times in pve where the tank and dps aren't stacked or are extremely mobile, so bubbling seeds wouldn't be the best. However, in dungeons, a warden healer could do fine. It's really trials that demand more of those sudden life-saving heals of BoL.
If i can main heal vet trials on a NB healer, than you are simply playing with sub par warden healers. Bol being a bamd aid for weaker groups is another discussion entirely.
WuffyCerulei wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »WuffyCerulei wrote: »Unfortunately, warden healers in pve just don't have the best heals. I actually asked my friend from Mechanically Challenged about this the othe day, and she pretty said what you said about Breathe of Life. It's a biggest life-saving heal for pve. There are so many times in pve where the tank and dps aren't stacked or are extremely mobile, so bubbling seeds wouldn't be the best. However, in dungeons, a warden healer could do fine. It's really trials that demand more of those sudden life-saving heals of BoL.
If i can main heal vet trials on a NB healer, than you are simply playing with sub par warden healers. Bol being a bamd aid for weaker groups is another discussion entirely.
@Mapurr would disagree
Honestly if you make the warden heals as good as a templar then there is no point in even having a templar class.
KamoChameleon wrote: »
Squishy!!! Wow in PvP they are so tanky. What is it in pve that makes them so squishy?
Haha, probably just the way I've spec'd Recently hit level 50, so now CP 193, all points have gone into Magicka which is probably part of it. I've gone for five pieces of light armour, Julianos crafte with Divines trait, with Light Armour Focus from Champion skills. Two pieces of heavy armour in Seducer. Enchantments are mostly Magicka enhancing, with the two heavy pieces being health enchanted. I use provisioning to increase max health before the start of a battle, and buff with the frost cloak from Winter's Embrace.
Yet even yesterday I was playing Siren's Song in Vvardenfell with a DPS player of CP 600 and two lower level players of about level 20, and I kept them buffed and alive but was just getting smashed by the Siren's ability. Probably my lack-of skills rather than anything wrong with the Warden
I played mostly single player story PVE up until recently, my forays into group dungeons and enjoying the healer role came quite late, so that maybe explains my gear choices. Not sure.
exeeter702 wrote: »WuffyCerulei wrote: »Unfortunately, warden healers in pve just don't have the best heals. I actually asked my friend from Mechanically Challenged about this the othe day, and she pretty said what you said about Breathe of Life. It's a biggest life-saving heal for pve. There are so many times in pve where the tank and dps aren't stacked or are extremely mobile, so bubbling seeds wouldn't be the best. However, in dungeons, a warden healer could do fine. It's really trials that demand more of those sudden life-saving heals of BoL.
If i can main heal vet trials on a NB healer, than you are simply playing with sub par warden healers. Bol being a bamd aid for weaker groups is another discussion entirely.
I’m still very much learning the class, and try to get away from playing my warden as my templar, but I think the two classes can be very complementary, and would make a good team in a trial setting.
Isn't the test with the other templar healer a bit off?
When you cast budding seeds you have to click again for it to activate. But it is only the first cast that cost magica the activation is free. And as you said yourself you can do two Bol in the time it takes you to get one budding seeds to activate.
Therefore when you spam budding seeds and the other healer spam Bol, the Bol drains magica faster because you can spam Bol in succession. If the other healer would press Bol only when you activated your budding seeds(for the heal not when you put it down) you would both preserve magica equally.
In other words the templar should only press Bol when you press your second click for activation.
Edit: In your video when you cast budding seeds and templar cast Bol. The templar cast 10 BoL and you only cast 5 budding seeds so ofcourse templar runs out of magica when she cast 100% more times than you; wich proves my point above
KamoChameleon wrote: »Haha yeah I realised this after posting the video and hoped no one would notice:) But well caught. However, I assure you the point remains, having played both, there is no way resource management for Templar comes even close to the Warden. With the warden I have all spell power rings, and very little invested in recovery, and I can just keep going forever. Templar you really need to manage your resources and invest in recovery.
AngryOldMan wrote: »on my templar i use the healing staff ability most of the time, BOL is a nice emergancy heal but heal over time is what makes me manage to never run out of magica, and for supporting the group its all about those holy shards so they can sustain high DPS or tank without running out of resources. Was really disapointed when they changed repetance, but have learned to support the group in other ways
unknowngamer wrote: »With respect to group AvA Warden seems to be a better aoe healer/support outside of Remembrance no?
exeeter702 wrote: »Honestly if you make the warden heals as good as a templar then there is no point in even having a templar class.
Wtf? So if templar isnt healing, it doesnt belong in the game? You do understand templar is not the INTENDED by design exclusive healer of elder scrolls online right?
You are confused.
exeeter702 wrote: »Honestly if you make the warden heals as good as a templar then there is no point in even having a templar class.
Wtf? So if templar isnt healing, it doesnt belong in the game? You do understand templar is not the INTENDED by design exclusive healer of elder scrolls online right?
You are confused.
Let’s see, a templar can not out dps a sorc, can’t out tank a dk, nope I am not confused. Take healing away and there is nothing left that is niche to the templar, they are then outclassed by all other classes. The game never achieved class balance with builds such that any class can perform any role and never will, as such I believe the classes need a unique roll.
What is the point of a class that cannot excel on at least thing? The warden was an answer to a problem that never existed and just muddy the waters now.
exeeter702 wrote: »Honestly if you make the warden heals as good as a templar then there is no point in even having a templar class.
Wtf? So if templar isnt healing, it doesnt belong in the game? You do understand templar is not the INTENDED by design exclusive healer of elder scrolls online right?
You are confused.
Let’s see, a templar can not out dps a sorc, can’t out tank a dk, nope I am not confused. Take healing away and there is nothing left that is niche to the templar, they are then outclassed by all other classes. The game never achieved class balance with builds such that any class can perform any role and never will, as such I believe the classes need a unique roll.
What is the point of a class that cannot excel on at least thing? The warden was an answer to a problem that never existed and just muddy the waters now.
exeeter702 wrote: »
You are confused. There is a very big difference between the discussion of current class balance and that of class / role diversity regarding viability.
exeeter702 wrote: »
You are confused. There is a very big difference between the discussion of current class balance and that of class / role diversity regarding viability.
I understand the difference, the case you are making is a distinction without a difference. it does not matter how you bin the issue, given class balance does not achieve parity between the group roles for different builds it does not matter. Whether you call it balance or build diversity the practical result is what it is, the classes / builds do not provide an even enough parity to allow effective swapping for tanking or DPS.
So I believe my point stands, remove the healing or make another class's healing even with Templar and there is no real point to the Templar.
My argument does fail as soon as the Templar class is arguably an effective DPS or tank to compete with the current DPS / tank classes, at which point I will happily drop my views on this.