Wizards Riposte on sorcs

UnversedNumber3 · November 2017

I see alot of magic sorcs running wizards riposte in pvp. The minor maim only procs if you are crit. If you are playing a sorc right shouldn't you always have you shields up and thus are never crit.
Am I missing something? Are shields critable now?

CoachPower · November 2017

It procs on shields.. Shields can't get the crit damage Yes, but the game still registers it as a crit.

Publius_Scipio · November 2017

An yes, the reason why sorcs smile more often than not. The simple inability for us to crit their shields.

Lexxypwns · November 2017

Shields can register a crit against them an the overflow damage will crit on your health bar, you just won't receive the extra damage on your shield.

UnversedNumber3 · November 2017

CoachPower wrote: »

It procs on shields.. Shields can't get the crit damage Yes, but the game still registers it as a crit.

Then I understand why alot of people are running it. It seems a little strong with a 100% uptime.

UnversedNumber3 · November 2017

I wonder if that proc will be removed like they remove the pirate skeleton proc from shields.

Lexxypwns · November 2017

@Beardimus now riposte on sorc is getting popular

UnversedNumber3 · November 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Beardimus now riposte on sorc is getting popular

I play a mag sorc and just looked at this set and its hard to pass up. But I think they will probably make a change like they did with pirate skeleton and make it not proc on shields. Just my thoughts.

Lexxypwns · November 2017

UnversedNumber3 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Beardimus now riposte on sorc is getting popular

I play a mag sorc and just looked at this set and its hard to pass up. But I think they will probably make a change like they did with pirate skeleton and make it not proc on shields. Just my thoughts.

You give up sustain and damage to run it, unlike pirate, which was very broken with the BSW/lich combo allowing you insane burst, perfect sustain, and tankiness. Another part of that broken meta was also nerfed. Imo, riposte is very balanced, it requires 3 slots + 2 back bar minimum and has significant diminishing returns. It's really only good on builds counting on healing ward or shield stacking imo, its outperformed by transmutation in all circumstances where you're not eother stacking multiple shields or getting perfect sustain.

Emma_Overload · November 2017

Pirate Skeleton NEVER should have been nerfed, because the nerf only really affected Sorcerers. So unfair! Why do healing builds get so many buffs and gear synergies compared to shielding builds?

Biro123 · November 2017

Never used reposte on my sorc, but then I've never really felt like I've needed more defence -especially at the cost of sustain or damage.

Beardimus · November 2017

As Lexy says there are things you give up for it, and gains it gives. Thus balance

GrigorijMalahevich · November 2017

Imho, wizard riposte on sorc is useless. You need sustain first, defense sets second, the more magicka you have - more defense you have...

Lich and necro due to Billy’s stun (as frags don’t have stun anymore) outperforms riposte+sustain set by miles. For 8%damage reduction you can run boundless... However, top sorcs run it and probably there is a huge reason to run it...

Sorc is not about damage or defense it is all about sustain...
-not enough defense - run three shield (thank you sustain)
-not enough damage - wait for burst opportunity (thank you sustain)
-not enough sustain - you are dead

Just imho

lynog85 · November 2017

Ive had it on for a while. Try wizard with resto war maiden with destro and 2pc bloodspawn.

lynog85 · November 2017

Also wizards destro 5pc bloodthorn with destro and slimecraw is good too

fastolfv_ESO · November 2017

its a really bad set but streamers use it so your gonna see it alot on all classes

Lord-Otto · November 2017

It's a great set.

For open world, when you get attacked by multiple people, weakening each attacker's damage by 15% is much more than anything you could do to increase your shield. Shields don't scale, Wizard's does.

In 1v1, no damage set can increase your damage by 15%. Wizard's gives you that damage difference. It's a numerical advantage.

Beardimus · November 2017

In short, each to their own.

Play the way you wanna play dudes. No right, no wrong.

ak_pvp · November 2017

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Pirate Skeleton NEVER should have been nerfed, because the nerf only really affected Sorcerers. So unfair! Why do healing builds get so many buffs and gear synergies compared to shielding builds?

Waah.

Because shields don't have defile, thus circumventing the caveat of the set. It also affected blazeplar builds, but they are dead now anyway so...

ToRelax · November 2017

Wizard's Riposte applies a common minor debuff and doesn't come with a drawback that could be circumvented, unlike Pirate Skeleton. So I don't see why it should be nerfed.

NinchiTV · November 2017

Ive been using tradition sets on magsorc like sustain/dmg and instead branched off to a little more spicy sets like Wizards and I must say for a solo player with 5 stars next to his name having thirsty groups hound you down I'm really grateful for the set and can manage 1vXs a lot easier with it. Its really a crutch but I'm not afraid to use it. Nor do I really care because after all everybody else is using poisons and numbers on me so I'll take any advantage I can get.

Buffler · November 2017

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

its a really bad set but streamers use it so your gonna see it alot on all classes

Errrrr just no

Lord-Otto · November 2017

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

Ive been using tradition sets on magsorc like sustain/dmg and instead branched off to a little more spicy sets like Wizards and I must say for a solo player with 5 stars next to his name having thirsty groups hound you down I'm really grateful for the set and can manage 1vXs a lot easier with it. Its really a crutch but I'm not afraid to use it. Nor do I really care because after all everybody else is using poisons and numbers on me so I'll take any advantage I can get.

This.

Lexxypwns · November 2017

It's really simple guys, something like riposte+BS+X. BS adds some stam sustain along with the mitigation and more ultimates. Riposte does more for your effective shield size than any other set and only needs to be on one bar. The combination of boundless, BS, and riposte is also going to work to counter the "lol, count to 5, CC, burst" method of killing mag sorcs. Say you've got riposte/lich/BS all spell damage glyphs, apprentice mundus, nirnhoned inferno+poison. You can pull 38k max mag, 2.8k spell damage fully buffed, and much more survivability than a traditional mag sorc. Plus you add some utility for small groups.

It's not meta, but it gives you the option to be more than sustain+glass, imo. I know of a few sorcs that run riposte and swear by it.

GrigorijMalahevich · November 2017

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's a great set.

For open world, when you get attacked by multiple people, weakening each attacker's damage by 15% is much more than anything you could do to increase your shield. Shields don't scale, Wizard's does.

In 1v1, no damage set can increase your damage by 15%. Wizard's gives you that damage difference. It's a numerical advantage.

Only 8% from players

Lexxypwns · November 2017

Valera Progib wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's a great set.

For open world, when you get attacked by multiple people, weakening each attacker's damage by 15% is much more than anything you could do to increase your shield. Shields don't scale, Wizard's does.

In 1v1, no damage set can increase your damage by 15%. Wizard's gives you that damage difference. It's a numerical advantage.

Only 8% from players

Actually, that's not entirely accurate.

Lord-Otto · November 2017

Valera Progib wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's a great set.

For open world, when you get attacked by multiple people, weakening each attacker's damage by 15% is much more than anything you could do to increase your shield. Shields don't scale, Wizard's does.

In 1v1, no damage set can increase your damage by 15%. Wizard's gives you that damage difference. It's a numerical advantage.

Only 8% from players

Elaborate, please?

GrigorijMalahevich · November 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's a great set.

For open world, when you get attacked by multiple people, weakening each attacker's damage by 15% is much more than anything you could do to increase your shield. Shields don't scale, Wizard's does.

In 1v1, no damage set can increase your damage by 15%. Wizard's gives you that damage difference. It's a numerical advantage.

Only 8% from players

Actually, that's not entirely accurate.

How much is it? I think we are discussing this set for quite some time now

I am under 100% impression that riposte proc is halfed in PvP, though I have not tested it myself

Toc de Malsvi · November 2017

Valera Progib wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's a great set.

For open world, when you get attacked by multiple people, weakening each attacker's damage by 15% is much more than anything you could do to increase your shield. Shields don't scale, Wizard's does.

In 1v1, no damage set can increase your damage by 15%. Wizard's gives you that damage difference. It's a numerical advantage.

Only 8% from players

Actually, that's not entirely accurate.

How much is it? I think we are discussing this set for quite some time now I am under 100% impression that riposte proc is halfed in PvP, though I have not tested it myself

Lol no.

NPCs dont deal crit damage. You only get the buff in a PVP environment, its full 15%.

Toc de Malsvi · November 2017

What would reduce its value is its actual mitigation after CP is applied which is the same as all percentage effects.

WreckfulAbandon · November 2017

You aren't going to put a dent in a tanky bleed build stamplar with the ~39k mag you're likely to be running with riposte. Even with rune cage you need to have enough dmg to put a good deal of their health away in one go. 37-39k magicka, 3k spell dmg isn't going to cut it unless you are a much better player than them.

Imo you're better off getting magicka bonuses and boosting your damage and defense. Even with 47k magicka, shields are sometimes inadequate. Stamden combo will shatter Hardened+Harness and cut into your health, and that's if they didn't even bother to time it well. Stamplar tears thru shields like a wet gunny sack. Even on the offensive side you'll find that with massive damage you still need to time combos well.

I couldn't imagine trying to fight some of those ppl with under 40k mag