How different is mag/stam of same class or different classes' stam build?

Lyserus · November 2017

^this
I made 10 characters, 1 race each and 2 for each class, how ever, I assigned altmer and breton to sorc (both mag) and orc khajiit to NB (both stam)
Now I fear whether that will lead them to way too similar playing experience.

Delete 2 of them and create new characters and level them to 50 can be troublesome, however I do not wish to have characters that have way too similar experience, I see no point in it

Only played templar before, I'm experiencing all other 4 classes like newbie so don't have much say on this topic, any comment/suggestions?

Lyserus · November 2017

Hmmm reading my thread again my english probably didn't express what I wanted to say very well, let me say a bit more to clearify

Soo will my mag sorcs, altmer and breton ones, able to have good but different builds? (I'm planning on making 1 pve and 1 pvp dps) And same goes for my stam dps orc and khajiit NB (again 1 PVE 1 PVP dps)

And considering weapon skills are shared, are different stam builds of different classes all that different?

Drakkdjinn · November 2017

They'll be completely different if optimized correctly around their main resource.

WillhelmBlack · November 2017

No. You really wanna do Mages Guild 10 or Undaunted 10 twice? On both classes?!!

Delete your Breton and Orc.

kylewwefan · November 2017

They’re all different but kind of the same. Buff, Dot, Spam, Execute. So you can set up your rotation to be mostly the exact same on many different toons. Some class may not have execute. Spammable skills may be different. Some are proc or only used under certain conditions. A few skills need to be re applied every other rotation. Melee or ranged etc.

AlnilamE · November 2017

If you are speccing one for PvP and one for PvE they can be quite different even if they have the same resource.

But having one stam sorc and one mag sorc / one stamblade and one magblade will also make for very different gameplay.

And if you don't like it, you can always just respect and go back to what you were before.

Don't worry too much about race unless you want that character to be on leaderboards for vMA or something.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · November 2017

Lyserus wrote: »

Hmmm reading my thread again my english probably didn't express what I wanted to say very well, let me say a bit more to clearify

Soo will my mag sorcs, altmer and breton ones, able to have good but different builds? (I'm planning on making 1 pve and 1 pvp dps) And same goes for my stam dps orc and khajiit NB (again 1 PVE 1 PVP dps)

And considering weapon skills are shared, are different stam builds of different classes all that different?

Magic and stam play completely different from one another. The importance of your race depends on what you are trying to accomplish. The more competitive you are, the more race matters. You could always consider a race change. As a general rule, Altmer or Dunmer make the best magic DPS, redguards make the best stamina DPS (khajiit can also be pretty strong), and Argonians make the best tanks and healers.

No two builds play exactly alike. Stamina is much more similar from class to class, but there are distinct differences. Magic from class to class is pretty much night and day.

ToRelax · November 2017

If you want them to perform as well as they could and it's acceptable to you to delete these characters, make an Orc Sorc and Breton NB instead.

emilyhyoyeon · November 2017

even if they're both mag sorcs, the altmer and breton will not have the same build if one is a PVE build and one is a PVP build

MaleAmazon · November 2017

All my characters are Nords for the 'racial passives' reason (plus I am Swedish). I can play the same character as magicka or stamina without feeling like I ´waste´ racial skills (it´s an OCD thing - as in actual OCD). IMO races geared more exclusively towards magicka or stamina shouldn´t be a thing to begin with, but... well I´ll just stop there regarding moneymaking versus artistic quality.

I don´t see the need to make 2 different magsorcs rather than just have one and switch gear, but yes you can make quite varying builds even within the magsorc style. You could have one petsorc and one healer sorc for example. Or come to think of it, a pethealer sorc.

And considering weapon skills are shared, are different stam builds of different classes all that different?

Depends on how you build. Yes, my stamina sorc tank (or semitank) is very different from my bow nightblade. A stamina nightblade can also be a heavy armor user (shadow barrier passive is interesting) with a twohander.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · November 2017

MaleAmazon wrote: »

All my characters are Nords for the 'racial passives' reason (plus I am Swedish). I can play the same character as magicka or stamina without feeling like I ´waste´ racial skills (it´s an OCD thing - as in actual OCD). IMO races geared more exclusively towards magicka or stamina shouldn´t be a thing to begin with, but... well I´ll just stop there regarding moneymaking versus artistic quality.

I don´t see the need to make 2 different magsorcs rather than just have one and switch gear, but yes you can make quite varying builds even within the magsorc style. You could have one petsorc and one healer sorc for example. Or come to think of it, a pethealer sorc.

And considering weapon skills are shared, are different stam builds of different classes all that different?

Depends on how you build. Yes, my stamina sorc tank (or semitank) is very different from my bow nightblade. A stamina nightblade can also be a heavy armor user (shadow barrier passive is interesting) with a twohander.

I am curios what the "racial passives" reason was for going all nord? The only thing I can think of is that you didnt want to have to think about it so you chose the worst racial passives you can find. Haha, I kid. If you wanna play nord, knock yourself out. Again, passives really only matter if pushing scores.

MaleAmazon · November 2017

I am curios what the "racial passives" reason was for going all nord? The only thing I can think of is that you didnt want to have to think about it so you chose the worst racial passives you can find. Haha, I kid.

To be honest I don´t think they matter much in practice like you said. I´m not going to push for any optimal speedruns, and I don´t think +2% shock damage or whatever is going to save me in PvP versus a 30-man zerg

I really dislike the racial passives with something of a passion, especially since they don´t branch. If you could morph racial passives into 2 different versions at lvl 3 at least they would add something to the game. Now they´re just a line and hook to fish minmaxers into the crown store.

It´s mostly that I feel that all Nord racial passives add something to my character. Playing an Orc and never using melee attacks for example is just.. meh. I know that it basically has no effect in practice, it just feels daft. I also don´t like dying in RPGs, for immersion breaking reasons, so I like to add some survivability even to DPS characters.