You know how many threads there are around here about how OP healing and blocking are? Ever wonder why there aren't many similar threads about how OP dodge-rolling is? It's because dodge-rolling has good counters in the abilities you're talking about. At the same time, dodge-rolling is still quite powerful. It can allow you to completely avoid some of the most powerful ults and burst combos in the game, while also gaining brief root immunity and (for some builds) Major Expedition.

casparian wrote: »

You know how many threads there are around here about how OP healing and blocking are? Ever wonder why there aren't many similar threads about how OP dodge-rolling is? It's because dodge-rolling has good counters in the abilities you're talking about. At the same time, dodge-rolling is still quite powerful. It can allow you to completely avoid some of the most powerful ults and burst combos in the game, while also gaining brief root immunity and (for some builds) Major Expedition.

except when it doesn't... i've been hit by skills that are normally dodgeable, while I was in mid dodgeroll.... While there are skills that are undodgeable, it's mostly a los thing that you need to think about... but when you get destroyed mid dodgeroll, it's a pia

Kanar wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

No they shouldn't. I played when practically everything was dodgeable and it sucked. You either rolled across the map or you were pissed.

I've been playing medium as well, and yes undodgeable skills kill and are a pia. That doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.

The best reason to run heavy is because of the sets that come in heavy now, not the Passives per se.

I have more to contribute later lol

If dodge roll is good where it's at, then shields and block need to be nerfed to the ground to match. How about critable shields, no shield stacking, and no block cost reduction glyphs?

Edit: Another option is that 50% of damage skills bypass block and shield.

I am a firm believer that in the next big balancing update (who knows when it'll be) those will be addressed. They've already mentioned blocking directly.

The main reason I bring it up is because of wardens birds, there is zero counter play. The only way I can beat pigeons is being a nightblade and using cloak. But using other stam classes I cant escape the nukes, constant 3-7k undodgable spammable better then most ultimate's.

This is NOT nerf wardens its let me have HAVE counter play please. other than front loading burst or stacking armour and out healing.

Mickydanz wrote: »

The main reason I bring it up is because of wardens birds, there is zero counter play. The only way I can beat pigeons is being a nightblade and using cloak. But using other stam classes I cant escape the nukes, constant 3-7k undodgable spammable better then most ultimate's.

This is NOT nerf wardens its let me have HAVE counter play please. other than front loading burst or stacking armour and out healing.

I don't understand why people say this. There's plenty of counterplay. Between healing, LOSing, CCing, Blood Spawn procs, and the tried-and-true method of putting them on the defensive before they put me on the defensive, I rarely have trouble with birds.

It's true, if I'm trying to close a long distance between myself and a magden without a gap closer, or if I'm running away from them in an open field, or if I'm so outnumbered that I can't pressure the warden enough to deal with their birds, then there isn't much counterplay. But those are all extremely favorable situations for that class anyway, ones which I should already have taken care not to put myself in. If you want it to be the case that there are never situations in PVP when you are just f*cked, then I think you have misguided notions of balance.

Shattering blows "could" be tweaked to "Only" do a small amount of unresistable (Oblivion) damage when attacking an enemy that has a Damage Shield up, the only downside is that it only procs on damage shields, if they don't have a damage shield up, it doesn't trigger.

100= Deal Unresistable Oblivion Damage equivalent to 25% of your opponents remaining damage shield once every 7 seconds. it already serves as a anti-thesis of Bastion which increases the strength of damage absorbing abilities by 25% at 100 points & seeing as how damage shields block critical attacks, this alternative could prove to be partly beneficial.

I good balance would be to make it so a tiny amount of the frames (like 1/10 I guess, not sure how many frames give invincibility) are completely 100% dodgable. So that if you are being careful and timing your dodges you can counter some ults etc. But if you just spam it, if people time there skills etc correctly then you get hit. Fair? Opinions?

casparian wrote: »

Mickydanz wrote: »

The main reason I bring it up is because of wardens birds, there is zero counter play. The only way I can beat pigeons is being a nightblade and using cloak. But using other stam classes I cant escape the nukes, constant 3-7k undodgable spammable better then most ultimate's.

This is NOT nerf wardens its let me have HAVE counter play please. other than front loading burst or stacking armour and out healing.

I don't understand why people say this. There's plenty of counterplay. Between healing, LOSing, CCing, Blood Spawn procs, and the tried-and-true method of putting them on the defensive before they put me on the defensive, I rarely have trouble with birds.

It's true, if I'm trying to close a long distance between myself and a magden without a gap closer, or if I'm running away from them in an open field, or if I'm so outnumbered that I can't pressure the warden enough to deal with their birds, then there isn't much counterplay. But those are all extremely favorable situations for that class anyway, ones which I should already have taken care not to put myself in. If you want it to be the case that there are never situations in PVP when you are just f*cked, then I think you have misguided notions of balance.

All it takes me to die is 2 random cliff racers in a fight in medium armor.
2 is enough to suddenly get me from %100 hp to %20 ish.

It hits like a ranged wrecking blow.

This is like saying undodgeable-unreflectable snipe would be totally fine.

This isnt a 1v1 game.
PvP isnt all about duels.

You can't remind yourself that you should be ready to LOS,block,heal every 5 seconds because enemy could have a warden.
This isnt how people play PvP.

Get some realistic expectations.

Why do you think having a press this to win button in PvP is fine?