I need help with my pvp build I'm a stam dk.

ochsinator · November 2017

I'm running 5 seventh legion 5 sprinnags. I feel super weak I'm cp 289 I keep getting killed so fast in battle grounds. It seems like there are people I can barely so damage to others I get down pretty low and then they heal and just burst damage me down in seconds. Just looking for some advice I wanna deal good damage and have good survivability not necessarily ridiculously o.o in either category.

KingJ · November 2017

make a stamwarden.Stamdk is really weak now in PVP. They don't have the damage to kill anyone outside of a ultimate.Even then some people can simple out heal your damage.Their not much you can do.I would drop sriggans and go werewolf hide so you can use your ultimate more often.

Asardes · November 2017

Stack DoTs (poison injection, noxious breath, venom claw, bleed) on them, dragon leap and hit them with heavy attack into reverse slice. Most die pretty easily if you are at 8K+ weapon power*

*weapon power = weapon damage + stamina/10.24 (the variable on which skills scale)

altemriel · November 2017

ochsinator wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Stack DoTs (poison injection, noxious breath, venom claw, bleed) on them, dragon leap and hit them with heavy attack into reverse slice. Most die pretty easily if you are at 8K+ weapon power*

*weapon power = weapon damage + stamina/10.24 (the variable on which skills scale)

Im running two handed and sword and board but yeah I need to be better at holding dots on.

you just have to understand, that PVP is totally a higher level, than PVE. there are players who have so many hours of gameplay experience and best gear and best skills setup and are PROs in skill rotation, that they just burn you in seconds.
practice makes the master!

ACESsiggy · November 2017

Welcome to ESO pvp.

ochsinator · November 2017

Lol thanks?

Takes-No-Prisoner · November 2017

StamDK is in a bad spot unless you're seasoned with how the class works. The gear is right, but the CP level will make you feel weaker fighting cp690.

How long have you been playing PvP? It could be an experience thing. I've played StamDK in PvP, and you're pretty much shoehorned into being a tank with super situational DPS. Even then, killing on a StamDK is highly situational and take a good amount of reads/knowledge to pull it off.

ochsinator · November 2017

Asardes wrote: »

Stack DoTs (poison injection, noxious breath, venom claw, bleed) on them, dragon leap and hit them with heavy attack into reverse slice. Most die pretty easily if you are at 8K+ weapon power*

*weapon power = weapon damage + stamina/10.24 (the variable on which skills scale)

Im running two handed and sword and board but yeah I need to be better at holding dots on.

ochsinator · November 2017

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

StamDK is in a bad spot unless you're seasoned with how the class works. The gear is right, but the CP level will make you feel weaker fighting cp690.

How long have you been playing PvP? It could be an experience thing. I've played StamDK in PvP, and you're pretty much shoehorned into being a tank with super situational DPS. Even then, killing on a StamDK is highly situational and take a good amount of reads/knowledge to pull it off.

I've been playing a stam dk for a while and playing pvp on and off a little recently got back into the game. I'm kinda wondering if it's my low cp level that is hindering me a lot also. I find myself doing well against players closer to my level in cp.

Asardes · November 2017

If you play No-CP campaign your CP won't matter at all. I actually find No-CP more fun since it's easier to burst.

ochsinator · November 2017

Asardes wrote: »

If you play No-CP campaign your CP won't matter at all. I actually find No-CP more fun since it's easier to burst.

I prefer battle grounds I like the fast pass more I just hope they expand it. Add to it and put more work into it.

Takes-No-Prisoner · November 2017

ochsinator wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

StamDK is in a bad spot unless you're seasoned with how the class works. The gear is right, but the CP level will make you feel weaker fighting cp690.

How long have you been playing PvP? It could be an experience thing. I've played StamDK in PvP, and you're pretty much shoehorned into being a tank with super situational DPS. Even then, killing on a StamDK is highly situational and take a good amount of reads/knowledge to pull it off.

I've been playing a stam dk for a while and playing pvp on and off a little recently got back into the game. I'm kinda wondering if it's my low cp level that is hindering me a lot also. I find myself doing well against players closer to my level in cp.

That could just be it then. I would recommend trying a tankier gear set to help out in CP enabled PvP situations to give you more time to react. That's one thing I liked about StamDK.

MaxwellC · November 2017

Anyone who says "Stack DoTs" clearly has not played PvP as that does not work unless we're talking about execution DoTs only.
As a Stam DK who has only played the DK class on both platforms I'd make a suggestion based on your preference such as if you prefer to move fast or if you prefer to solid.
@ochsinator

geonsocal · November 2017

by any chance - do you have enough AP to start visiting the golden on the weekends in cyrodiil?

for a "tanky" type character like a stam dk - the proc/damage output from a monster set can help serve as your execute...

the SnB ult should help you withstand bursts from other players...

ochsinator · November 2017

geonsocal wrote: »

by any chance - do you have enough AP to start visiting the golden on the weekends in cyrodiil?

for a "tanky" type character like a stam dk - the proc/damage output from a monster set can help serve as your execute...

the SnB ult should help you withstand bursts from other players...

Not sure what the golden is?

ochsinator · November 2017

MaxwellC wrote: »

Anyone who says "Stack DoTs" clearly has not played PvP as that does not work unless we're talking about execution DoTs only.
As a Stam DK who has only played the DK class on both platforms I'd make a suggestion based on your preference such as if you prefer to move fast or if you prefer to solid.
@ochsinator

So I am now running 2 bloodspawn 4 spriggans and 5 7th legion need a spriggans two handed to give me the penetration with my two handed. I generally don't move around too much. I'm still feeling out my skills and timing I'm sencing I just need to play more and get my skill rotation down much better. I have spiked armor reverse slice wrecking blow rally and critical rush on my two handed and venomous claw noxious breath shield assault igneous shield and resolving vigour on my sword and board bar.

Taleof2Cities · November 2017

ochsinator wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

by any chance - do you have enough AP to start visiting the golden on the weekends in cyrodiil?

for a "tanky" type character like a stam dk - the proc/damage output from a monster set can help serve as your execute...

the SnB ult should help you withstand bursts from other players...

Not sure what the golden is?

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Adhazabi_Aba-daro

ochsinator · November 2017

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

ochsinator wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

by any chance - do you have enough AP to start visiting the golden on the weekends in cyrodiil?

for a "tanky" type character like a stam dk - the proc/damage output from a monster set can help serve as your execute...

the SnB ult should help you withstand bursts from other players...

Not sure what the golden is?

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Adhazabi_Aba-daro

I see what does it mean by pvp only sets is it talking about the sets you get forms dungeons?

Asardes · November 2017

MaxwellC wrote: »

Anyone who says "Stack DoTs" clearly has not played PvP as that does not work unless we're talking about execution DoTs only.

Well Poison Injection is the hardest hitting TBH, especially after I got that infused Master bow. But using the others also helps since it pressures the opponent into using other resources for purging. I never enjoyed playing tanky builds since fights last too long and you end up being zerged down before you score the kill. Even if I die a lot more in medium, especially if I come back after a few weeks, my K/D ratio is much better overall. I usually play solo or in groups of 6 or less.

TheUrbanWizard · November 2017

Asardes wrote: »

Stack DoTs (poison injection, noxious breath, venom claw, bleed) on them, dragon leap and hit them with heavy attack into reverse slice. Most die pretty easily if you are at 8K+ weapon power*

*weapon power = weapon damage + stamina/10.24 (the variable on which skills scale)

That calculation can't be right?

Asardes · November 2017

TheUrbanWizard wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Stack DoTs (poison injection, noxious breath, venom claw, bleed) on them, dragon leap and hit them with heavy attack into reverse slice. Most die pretty easily if you are at 8K+ weapon power*

*weapon power = weapon damage + stamina/10.24 (the variable on which skills scale)

That calculation can't be right?

It is, for most skills. There are a handful of skills that only scale on your maximum resource, for example shields that either scale on your maximum health or maximum magicka, sorcerer pet damage that only scales on maximum magicka, and ultimates that scale on whichever stat is higher; flames of oblivion follows the same rule, even if it isn't an ultimate. Also light and heavy attacks scale mostly on your weapon damage if it's bow or melee weapon, and spell damage for staves. The formula for those is more like weapon damage + stamina/40.

For example my stamina DK has 4.35K weapon damage self buffed (not including berserker enchant procs and Master bow set bonus) and 39.1K stamina. Hence is "weapon power" is roughly 4.35K + 39.1K/10.24 = 4.35K + 3.82K = 8.17K "weapon power". In fact it is higher, since weapon damage should have a higher "weight" due to the fact that heavy attacks scale mostly on that, and single target DoTs take into account stats when they are cast, which may include Master bow bonus and the enchant.

TheUrbanWizard · November 2017

@asardes Yeh that makes sense, I read it as, for example, 4300 plus 38000/10.24 makes 4.13k power lol

HatchetHaro · November 2017

I actually used to run 5 Hundings 3 Agility 2 Velidreth and Maelstrom weapons for my stam DK PvP build in Battlegrounds, since I already had that stuff from my PvE setups. I actually did fine for the duration of HotR, "fine" being able to top group's scoreboards most of the time, but I don't consider it that good of a build. Basically, it was a complete glass cannon, but I still find myself managing to survive by timing my roll dodges and bursting down other glass cannons quickly.

Now with CP in BGs though, I've replaced my divines Hunding's with impen Clever Alch, and even tried replacing my Veli+Agility with Seventh Legion, but it didn't make much of a difference in survivability tbh. So far, still doing fine after trying to time my fights with my potion chugs.

Basically, you can't do that bad if you have the skill.

Wardens are still a nightmare.

Zerok · November 2017

I assume this is the CP campaign.

Let's face it, you will have a hard time there against the max CPs players.

Yes, with the right gear and skills, you can probably kill a few players here and there, but it will be a hard.

You have a few options:
1) Keep playing the CP campaign but join a zerg and learn how to use siege weapons effectively (they can be deadly in the right hands).
2) Focus on leveling you CPs in PvE first, then go back to PvP.
3) Join the non-CP campaign. It's a lower population, but it means less zergs to fight against

Asardes · November 2017

I'm running 5 Hunding's Rage (heavy chest, light waist, medium legs and shoulders all impenetrable with stamina enchants, nirnhoned greatsword with poison enchant on front bar) 5 Bone Pirate Tatters (robust jewelry with weapon damage enchants, hands and feet medium impenetrable with stamina enchants) 1 Molag Kena (medium impenetrable with stamina enchant) and and Master bow infused with berserker enchantment on back bar. I'm running Warrior mundus and Dubious Camoran Throne drink (synergizes very well with bone pirate set).

Stats outside Cyrodiil: 10.4K magicka, 16.4K health, 39.1K stamina, 1.45K stamina recovery (usually much higher due to various passives), 4.23K weapon damage (minor and major brutality, not counting enchant or set procs), 47.1% weapon critical. 18K physical resistance and 25K spell resistance (warded with volatile armor).

At first glance it looks like a "glass cannon" but remember that your heals, such as vigor and rally scale on "weapon power" and ticks can crit on you and other people, just as other stamina skills. I can fully heal if I refresh Rally near the end.

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I need help with my pvp build I'm a stam dk.

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