CP battlegrounds , people are hardly dying anymore ...

RouDeR · November 2017

[sarcasm]Zos in no CP I would of get 30+ kills in this match , this is just so wrong ... [/sarcasm]

Not to mantion the 5-10 mins wait time to get in game , the crashes , the infinite loading screens... oh well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOxR_h-bD1s

SirAndy · November 2017

Not a battle ground but i stopped to watch a duel between two Warden players (both in the CP300 range) yesterday and they were barely scratching each other, even their ultimates didn't do much damage.

Watched for about 5 minutes before i got bored and moved on, can't imagine anyone having fun doing that dance for that long ...

Chi110ut · November 2017

Enabling CP for level 50 was just plain stupid. At the very least ZOS should have offered Non CP queue for level 50 along with CP enabled queue.

Sleezly · November 2017

Chi110ut wrote: »

Enabling CP for level 50 was just plain stupid. At the very least ZOS should have offered Non CP queue for level 50 along with CP enabled queue.

Either that or perhaps CP is way too overpowered and should be toned down instead.

Alcast · November 2017

SirAndy wrote: »

Not a battle ground but i stopped to watch a duel between two Warden players (both in the CP300 range) yesterday and they were barely scratching each other, even their ultimates didn't do much damage.

Watched for about 5 minutes before i got bored and moved on, can't imagine anyone having fun doing that dance for that long ...

Most people go full pussymode tanky build 0 damage. I was in a BG fight against like 5 wardens their health never dropped below 70%

Neither did they kill anyone

KingMagaw · November 2017

Was said before ZOS forced BG to CP, with NO CP options.

CP is broken for PvP and always has been.

SirAndy · November 2017

Alcast wrote: »

... Neither did they kill anyone

That was my point ...

Nussi28 · November 2017

I don't get you. You were only able to win this match because your pre-made 4 men team started vs two teams with 3 pugs each. When I came in, you were leading with ~200 points. When the time ran out we were only <100 behind.
You should not be able to make 30 kills with a tank. And stacking with 4 men with one healing ulti after the other also won't bring you kills.
When you would go full offense it could be different.
Currently tanking is out of balance, a tank with 70k health and less than 15k stam and mag should not be able to dish out any significant damage.
This is not really caused by champion points. You get percent-based buffs for offense and defense, these are quite well in line.
From my perspective heavy armor overperforms in comparison to light and middle. This leads to lots of people who can survive longer. Glass canon builds are seldom these days.

Girl_Number8 · November 2017

Alcast wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Not a battle ground but i stopped to watch a duel between two Warden players (both in the CP300 range) yesterday and they were barely scratching each other, even their ultimates didn't do much damage.

Watched for about 5 minutes before i got bored and moved on, can't imagine anyone having fun doing that dance for that long ...

Most people go full pussymode tanky build 0 damage. I was in a BG fight against like 5 wardens their health never dropped below 70% Neither did they kill anyone

Plz say "Wankpire", pretty plz well could u at least type it? It would sooo make me smile. Seriously it would really make me smile.

Toc de Malsvi · November 2017

Alcast wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Not a battle ground but i stopped to watch a duel between two Warden players (both in the CP300 range) yesterday and they were barely scratching each other, even their ultimates didn't do much damage.

Watched for about 5 minutes before i got bored and moved on, can't imagine anyone having fun doing that dance for that long ...

Most people go full pussymode tanky build 0 damage. I was in a BG fight against like 5 wardens their health never dropped below 70% Neither did they kill anyone

I think this is because S&B over-performs given the block cost situation. And it is pretty much exactly what the OP did here.

The high damage total is directly tied to extended periods of constant low damage uptime. While I don't like CP BG's as much as no CP, I don't agree with the premise that the OP would get more kills. 70k health is not possible with no CP and the OP was using damage primarly scaled off of max health.

The targets would become weaker but so would such stupid health stacked tank builds. Health stacked tank builds are extremely less effective in no-CP compared to CP. Beyond that most of the damage was directly correlated to the pugs stacking on him and not disengaging and kiting him while focusing the easier kills. That build will not be able to keep up long if opponents kite it. It's not going to die much but it's only getting kills because noobs are too stupid to move away from it and kill other players.

XxBIGWASS101xX · November 2017

CP should not be in BG's or PVP at all. Very unbalanced game with CP, people make terrible builds that makes the combat of the game very poor and not fun. I can understand CP for PVE content and that is all. ESO should move to non-CP for all forms of PVP.

Toc de Malsvi · November 2017

XxBIGWASS101xX wrote: »

CP should not be in BG's or PVP at all. Very unbalanced game with CP, people make terrible builds that makes the combat of the game very poor and not fun. I can understand CP for PVE content and that is all. ESO should move to non-CP for all forms of PVP.

I'm all for no-CP, I think it's a better overall balance. However I think some of these terrible builds are because poor players with little to no PVP experience thought that BG's would be easier with CP and are being shown a harsh reality. Give it another 2-3 months and there should be less players that just melt under any damage source.

I was telling a guy to bash the opposing player that was picking up the relic and his response was: "I don't have a shield or anything like that to bash with." Literally seeing way more players that appear to be brand new to the game, or never paid any attention to the actual functions of combat.

RouDeR · November 2017

Nussi28 wrote: »

I don't get you. You were only able to win this match because your pre-made 4 men team started vs two teams with 3 pugs each. When I came in, you were leading with ~200 points. When the time ran out we were only <100 behind.
You should not be able to make 30 kills with a tank. And stacking with 4 men with one healing ulti after the other also won't bring you kills.
When you would go full offense it could be different.
Currently tanking is out of balance, a tank with 70k health and less than 15k stam and mag should not be able to dish out any significant damage.
This is not really caused by champion points. You get percent-based buffs for offense and defense, these are quite well in line.
From my perspective heavy armor overperforms in comparison to light and middle. This leads to lots of people who can survive longer. Glass canon builds are seldom these days.

Actualy it was a decent pub group , and yes the warden health tanks are overperforming in terms of damage output , with this tank i pull out almost 10k dps on the dummy ^^.
But you are wrong about the no cp statement , in NoCP i kill people times easier, i used to have 20+ kills avarage in death matches (scores 6000+)on NOCP bgs .

Izaki · November 2017

On Xbox EU the population of battlegrounds increased drastically. They used to be literally empty. Now you can actually have fun and always get a match going.

Jake1576 · November 2017

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Not a battle ground but i stopped to watch a duel between two Warden players (both in the CP300 range) yesterday and they were barely scratching each other, even their ultimates didn't do much damage.

Watched for about 5 minutes before i got bored and moved on, can't imagine anyone having fun doing that dance for that long ...

Most people go full pussymode tanky build 0 damage. I was in a BG fight against like 5 wardens their health never dropped below 70% Neither did they kill anyone

Plz say "Wankpire", pretty plz well could u at least type it? It would sooo make me smile. Seriously it would really make me smile.

Lol

Funkopotamus · November 2017

The CP system RUINED this game...

Wreuntzylla · November 2017

CP is not bad in overland PvP, especially during primetime. There is always someone running a counter to a specific cancer.

In BG's, however, CP is cancer.

Beardimus · November 2017

Game play in BG has really changed detrimentally. Fights used to be fast / fluid. Now everyone is balled up and its zerh waredare with many fights running the full 15mins

Honestly @ZOS_GinaBruno & @ZOS_JessicaFolsom this feedback needs passing on. It's really rekt the unique playtyle / speed / buzz that BG used to have.

Please please look at reverting it.

Emma_Overload · November 2017

Why are people blaming CP for SOME players' wimpy builds or playstyles? One thing has nothing to do with the other.

All ZOS had to do is offer a choice between CP and No-CP queues, and all these threads will disappear.

Teridaxus · November 2017

But how else will people stroke their e pen when from time to time they run into some low cp people?

ArchMikem · November 2017

Sleezly wrote: »

Chi110ut wrote: »

Enabling CP for level 50 was just plain stupid. At the very least ZOS should have offered Non CP queue for level 50 along with CP enabled queue.

Either that or perhaps CP is way too overpowered and should be toned down instead.

The way things are CP is mandatory for PvE. It gets "tuned down" for PvP, it will hurt everyone else.

Darkstorne · November 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Sleezly wrote: »

Chi110ut wrote: »

Enabling CP for level 50 was just plain stupid. At the very least ZOS should have offered Non CP queue for level 50 along with CP enabled queue.

Either that or perhaps CP is way too overpowered and should be toned down instead.

The way things are CP is mandatory for PvE. It gets "tuned down" for PvP, it will hurt everyone else.

Can't they just... reduce the effects of CP by 75% in PVP situations (Cyrodiil, IC, Battlegrounds, Duels) or something?

GrigorijMalahevich · November 2017

Alcast wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Not a battle ground but i stopped to watch a duel between two Warden players (both in the CP300 range) yesterday and they were barely scratching each other, even their ultimates didn't do much damage.

Watched for about 5 minutes before i got bored and moved on, can't imagine anyone having fun doing that dance for that long ...

Most people go full pussymode tanky build 0 damage. I was in a BG fight against like 5 wardens their health never dropped below 70% Neither did they kill anyone

That is just “insane”