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Why was Annulment changed?
ElderScrollsFan137
Soul Shriven
Beginning of rant:
I realize this might be a waste of a discussion, but why does it now require 5 pieces of light armor? It was fine as it was. I like the slight buff to it, as it only offered 7770 or something like that for protection with my current gear, and now it's at 8000 something. Again, why does it now require 5 pieces of light armor?
End of rant
I realize this might be a waste of a discussion, but why does it now require 5 pieces of light armor? It was fine as it was. I like the slight buff to it, as it only offered 7770 or something like that for protection with my current gear, and now it's at 8000 something. Again, why does it now require 5 pieces of light armor?
End of rant
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chaserstorm16909✭✭✭✭✭To stop sorcs from wearing at least 5 pieces of heavy armor and using 3 shields.22 -
kvlou79✭✭✭Honestly, when I figured out I could have skills for armor I wasn’t wearing, kinda made me scratch my head. So, this seems like the way it should’ve always been IMO.25 -
Narvuntien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The short answer is that shuffle was OP with heavy armor in PVP. So they had to make all the skills work the same.
I am not sure I have seen many people use Anualment without all light armor, it requires a lot of magicka to be an effective shield. I did have an annualment on my Magplar tank for a little while until I realised that radiant ward was actually stronger.2 -
Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭chaserstorm16909 wrote: »To stop sorcs from wearing at least 5 pieces of heavy armor and using 3 shields.
No good sorcs wear 5 heavy and stack 3 shields... they'd be oom so fast...Edited by Brutusmax1mus on November 9, 2017 2:30AM8 -
Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All armor skills were changed to be more consistent ! You need to wear the armor to use its skill2 -
chaserstorm16909✭✭✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »chaserstorm16909 wrote: »To stop sorcs from wearing at least 5 pieces of heavy armor and using 3 shields.
No good sorcs wear 5 heavy and stack 3 shields... they'd be oom so fast...
You've never seen a tanky sorc stack shields and use heavy attacks to restore magicka?3 -
Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭chaserstorm16909 wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »chaserstorm16909 wrote: »To stop sorcs from wearing at least 5 pieces of heavy armor and using 3 shields.
No good sorcs wear 5 heavy and stack 3 shields... they'd be oom so fast...
You've never seen a tanky sorc stack shields and use heavy attacks to restore magicka?
I've seen shield stacking, but not any sorc doing it in heavy. Certainly not any good sorcs. Shields and heavy armor don't synergize well at all.1 -
chaserstorm16909✭✭✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »chaserstorm16909 wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »chaserstorm16909 wrote: »To stop sorcs from wearing at least 5 pieces of heavy armor and using 3 shields.
No good sorcs wear 5 heavy and stack 3 shields... they'd be oom so fast...
You've never seen a tanky sorc stack shields and use heavy attacks to restore magicka?
I've seen shield stacking, but not any sorc doing it in heavy. Certainly not any good sorcs. Shields and heavy armor don't synergize well at all.
I am not arguing that it's a bis build. You won't hurt to many players with it. But if you want to be a near unkillable annoying jerk, it works great.2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭With Clockwork City, ZOS changed all the armor skills to require players to wear 5 pieces of that armor in order to use the skill.
5 pieces of Light Armor gives access to Annulment
5 pieces of Medium Armor gives access to Shuffle
5 pieces of Heavy Armor gives access to Immovable
Honestly, the change was mostly targeted at the meta builds that used heavy armor + Shuffle to build ultimate or avoid damage. However, like with many of ZOS' recent changes, this does require players to commit to an armor if they want the skill instead of having access to all 3 skills if they were wearing a 5/1/1 combo of armor.1 -
Dharnagon✭✭✭Cause that's how it should be.The Pride of The Eagle is its power itself!
Eagles, Advance!5 -
Twohothardware✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's a skill based around Light Armor. When you don't have to wear Light Armor to use it it's kind of like somebody running around with a bow and using a Destro Ult.1 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »chaserstorm16909 wrote: »To stop sorcs from wearing at least 5 pieces of heavy armor and using 3 shields.
No good sorcs wear 5 heavy and stack 3 shields... they'd be oom so fast...
Ha ha ha. No good sorc wears 5 heavy.. get the hell outta here with that. That is just so egotistical. I wear 5-7 HA on my all my mag and stam sorcs, use Empowered/Hardened Ward, don't stack shield, and it does great on any contents. DPS and resource management are just fine. I hate LA. It does not offer good survivability, especially, when soloing.0 -
Jamini✭✭✭✭✭GreenhaloX wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »chaserstorm16909 wrote: »To stop sorcs from wearing at least 5 pieces of heavy armor and using 3 shields.
No good sorcs wear 5 heavy and stack 3 shields... they'd be oom so fast...
Ha ha ha. No good sorc wears 5 heavy.. get the hell outta here with that. That is just so egotistical. I wear 5-7 HA on my all my mag and stam sorcs, use Empowered/Hardened Ward, don't stack shield, and it does great on any contents. DPS and resource management are just fine. I hate LA. It does not offer good survivability, especially, when soloing.
There is so much bad/wrong in this post, I don't even know where to start."Adapt. or Die."7 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭ElderScrollsFan137 wrote: »Beginning of rant:
I realize this might be a waste of a discussion, but why does it now require 5 pieces of light armor? It was fine as it was. I like the slight buff to it, as it only offered 7770 or something like that for protection with my current gear, and now it's at 8000 something. Again, why does it now require 5 pieces of light armor?
End of rant
I agree.. This is b-u-l-l-***! I don't wear LA on my MagDK and Annulment was good for the shield. Immovable is not the same. Immovable is just another costlier Hardened/Spiked Armor. Now, I'm forced to go back and slot Bone Shield. Another stupid change. I'm not wearing LA.. what a croc of b-u-l-l-***!! It is just so lovely how this game and developers just keep you captivated on this game.0 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭GreenhaloX wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »chaserstorm16909 wrote: »To stop sorcs from wearing at least 5 pieces of heavy armor and using 3 shields.
No good sorcs wear 5 heavy and stack 3 shields... they'd be oom so fast...
Ha ha ha. No good sorc wears 5 heavy.. get the hell outta here with that. That is just so egotistical. I wear 5-7 HA on my all my mag and stam sorcs, use Empowered/Hardened Ward, don't stack shield, and it does great on any contents. DPS and resource management are just fine. I hate LA. It does not offer good survivability, especially, when soloing.
There is so much bad/wrong in this post, I don't even know where to start.
Then don't.. move on, nothing to see here. Ha ha. Nothing wrong or bad about my post/comment. Play your game how you want to. Play with LA, MA, or HA.. whatever.0 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Twohothardware wrote: »It's a skill based around Light Armor. When you don't have to wear Light Armor to use it it's kind of like somebody running around with a bow and using a Destro Ult.
This. The change wasn't made for, or because of sorc, or shield stacking, but to align armor skills with the use of their armor type. A case could certainly be made that the intention was to nerf Shuffle, but it really is logical change, and aligned with weapon skill usage.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche0 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »The short answer is that shuffle was OP with heavy armor in PVP.
I love how this is legitimately the answer. You can't use this skill with heavy armor because this other skill was OP with heavy armor.
The need/desire for consistency in the armor skills aside, it's pretty funny when you look at it that way.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub3 -
Micah_Bayer✭✭✭✭✭GreenhaloX wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »chaserstorm16909 wrote: »To stop sorcs from wearing at least 5 pieces of heavy armor and using 3 shields.
No good sorcs wear 5 heavy and stack 3 shields... they'd be oom so fast...
Ha ha ha. No good sorc wears 5 heavy.. get the hell outta here with that. That is just so egotistical. I wear 5-7 HA on my all my mag and stam sorcs, use Empowered/Hardened Ward, don't stack shield, and it does great on any contents. DPS and resource management are just fine. I hate LA. It does not offer good survivability, especially, when soloing.
Not a good sorc then5 -
Barbaran✭✭✭✭who uses annulment without at least 5 peices of light anyway?
the change was aimed at heavy users also getting shuffle, but obviously they had to make it the same across all 3 skill lines to be fair1 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Micah_Bayer wrote: »GreenhaloX wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »chaserstorm16909 wrote: »To stop sorcs from wearing at least 5 pieces of heavy armor and using 3 shields.
No good sorcs wear 5 heavy and stack 3 shields... they'd be oom so fast...
Ha ha ha. No good sorc wears 5 heavy.. get the hell outta here with that. That is just so egotistical. I wear 5-7 HA on my all my mag and stam sorcs, use Empowered/Hardened Ward, don't stack shield, and it does great on any contents. DPS and resource management are just fine. I hate LA. It does not offer good survivability, especially, when soloing.
Not a good sorc then
Ok, to you.. but to me, it is a good sorc. I've used LA on my sorcs, and I know the passives of the LA and the capabilities of LA sets on a sorc. However, after testing and considerations, I like and prefer the HA on my sorcs over the LA. Those who say HA isn't for sorc, ok, but I'm playing my sorc, and you're not. I play it with HA. I like it, and that's really what matters. Besides, a good sorc doesn't need to stack shields (like Empowered Ward and Annulment.) Since Annulment is now only for 5 LA, I'm ok with that for a MagSorc as I have never had or need to stack shields.1 -
Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭GreenhaloX wrote: »GreenhaloX wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »chaserstorm16909 wrote: »To stop sorcs from wearing at least 5 pieces of heavy armor and using 3 shields.
No good sorcs wear 5 heavy and stack 3 shields... they'd be oom so fast...
Ha ha ha. No good sorc wears 5 heavy.. get the hell outta here with that. That is just so egotistical. I wear 5-7 HA on my all my mag and stam sorcs, use Empowered/Hardened Ward, don't stack shield, and it does great on any contents. DPS and resource management are just fine. I hate LA. It does not offer good survivability, especially, when soloing.
There is so much bad/wrong in this post, I don't even know where to start.
Then don't.. move on, nothing to see here. Ha ha. Nothing wrong or bad about my post/comment. Play your game how you want to. Play with LA, MA, or HA.. whatever.
Playing how you want doesn't mean its effective.4 -
Inarre✭✭✭✭✭
✭The thing that confuses me is the heavy armor skill costs stamina, yet so many heavy armor sets are versatile and or magic friendly.0 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The thing that confuses me is the heavy armor skill costs stamina, yet so many heavy armor sets are versatile and or magic friendly.
The heavy armor skill should really have a magicka morph. Would be nice for classes that rely on a ground-placed, stationary source of major resist buffs...Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub3 -
Inarre✭✭✭✭✭
✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »The thing that confuses me is the heavy armor skill costs stamina, yet so many heavy armor sets are versatile and or magic friendly.
The heavy armor skill should really have a magicka morph. Would be nice for classes that rely on a ground-placed, stationary source of major resist buffs...
Amen brother0 -
Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »The thing that confuses me is the heavy armor skill costs stamina, yet so many heavy armor sets are versatile and or magic friendly.
The heavy armor skill should really have a magicka morph. Would be nice for classes that rely on a ground-placed, stationary source of major resist buffs...
Amen brother
Literally every class has a class skill magicka morph of major resists1 -
Inarre✭✭✭✭✭
✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »The thing that confuses me is the heavy armor skill costs stamina, yet so many heavy armor sets are versatile and or magic friendly.
The heavy armor skill should really have a magicka morph. Would be nice for classes that rely on a ground-placed, stationary source of major resist buffs...
Amen brother
Literally every class has a class skill magicka morph of major resists
Do those resists give immunity to cc <.<
I'm also going to pretend you just didn't read the part about one of those skills being glued to the ground.Edited by Inarre on November 9, 2017 3:31PM0 -
Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »The thing that confuses me is the heavy armor skill costs stamina, yet so many heavy armor sets are versatile and or magic friendly.
The heavy armor skill should really have a magicka morph. Would be nice for classes that rely on a ground-placed, stationary source of major resist buffs...
Amen brother
Literally every class has a class skill magicka morph of major resists
Do those resists give immunity to cc <.<
I'm also going to pretend you just didn't read the part about one of those skills being glued to the ground.
No, they don't grant cc immunity. Channeled is 4 x cheaper than other resistance buff and pays for itself. Needs a draw back. Restoring is 2x as cheap as most and grants 2 outstanding minor buffs. Plus you can leave either for 7 seconds and retain these buffs If you're too cheap to recast when you move out of aoe.
Did you notice immovable costs slightly than cc break? Zos wants cc and cc immunities to be tied to stamina. Clearly allowing magicka classes to be immune to cc using a magicka ability would be op as heck. Ill pretend you didn't think about balance before you talked.1 -
itsfatbass✭✭✭✭✭GreenhaloX wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »GreenhaloX wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »chaserstorm16909 wrote: »To stop sorcs from wearing at least 5 pieces of heavy armor and using 3 shields.
No good sorcs wear 5 heavy and stack 3 shields... they'd be oom so fast...
Ha ha ha. No good sorc wears 5 heavy.. get the hell outta here with that. That is just so egotistical. I wear 5-7 HA on my all my mag and stam sorcs, use Empowered/Hardened Ward, don't stack shield, and it does great on any contents. DPS and resource management are just fine. I hate LA. It does not offer good survivability, especially, when soloing.
Not a good sorc then
Ok, to you.. but to me, it is a good sorc. I've used LA on my sorcs, and I know the passives of the LA and the capabilities of LA sets on a sorc. However, after testing and considerations, I like and prefer the HA on my sorcs over the LA. Those who say HA isn't for sorc, ok, but I'm playing my sorc, and you're not. I play it with HA. I like it, and that's really what matters. Besides, a good sorc doesn't need to stack shields (like Empowered Ward and Annulment.) Since Annulment is now only for 5 LA, I'm ok with that for a MagSorc as I have never had or need to stack shields.
Your dps would be so sub par in PvE it would be laughable. And if you need to wear heavy armor for survivability then it's a L2P issue cause you can survive in anything in light armor.~PC/NA~ Magblade, Tankanist, Healplar, Stamcro, Oakensorc, Healden, Tanknight ~PLUR~0 -
vovus69✭✭✭✭it was huge pvpers whining re sorcs and shields. So zos did what they did.
-vovus"If I'll need your opinion, I'll give one to you" - Rivenspire2