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So how many real life warriors do we have in here?
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Emmagoldman✭✭✭✭✭
✭Was in the Army, 1/509th IN and did two deployments. F*** the army, done with that nonsense6 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »The_Patriarch wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
I'll be honest. Unless you're dealing with someone who literally does not know how to fight, boxing is worthless. Most wrestling you'd get training in is a close second. Even some of the stuff you look at as worthless, like recreational Aikido can safely neutralize a boxer or wrestler.
For example, people who thing Boxing is a martial art, and not a competition sport, with very strict rules that simply don't apply when you've taken a boot to the shin.
Do you ACTUALLY believe this...?
I know it.
Boxing is specifically designed, and has evolved for a competition environment.
Actual combat is not about a fairly adjudicated arena. Boxing, actually does set, false goals for the user. And, they actually do approach live combat like they're in the ring.
Beyond that, it is an incredibly limited form. It cannot deal with opponents who redirect your inertia (so, Aikdio, or Judo), it can't deal with opponents who focus on ground fighting (Judo, again), it can't deal with martial styles that focus on range (like Taikwando.) In short, it's only really useful when you're facing off against someone who does not know what they're doing.
Have you done any Boxing or Muay Thai?
I'm not going to get into the current argument over what is/is not a "valid" Martial Art. In my experience, if a person is an avid student of their chosen martial art, and puts in the work to perfect their chosen fighting style, then those martial arts are usually very effective in a wide range of hand-to-hand combat applications. In my experience, my years of training in Oyata Ryukyu Kempo served me far more effectively than the Marine Corps combat fighting style.
While there are some martial arts that are superior to others, most of those arguments are subjective, and widely biased in favor of the martial art that the individual is currently taking or is a fan of. Whether one martial art would win over another, is also a widely subjective argument, and "victory" almost always depends entirely upon the individuals in question. How hard did they train in their respective arts? How much natural talent does one have? How much will to win does one opponent or the other have? How intuitive are their instincts, and how crisp are their reflexes and counters?
But calling one martial art or the other "fake" or "flashy showmanship" is doing nothing more than stroking already latent aggressiveness in order to ignite or keep a heated argument going.
Further, to call Kung fu (Shaolin or not) into question, is to show your own ignorance. Kung Fu/Gung Fu is a class of many martial arts styles that are some of the oldest in the world. To simply rip up thousands of years of training, discipline, and mastery of these fighting styles just to inflate your own ego, without any evidence that their ineffective, is simply a foolish stance to take.
But I digress.
In reference to what I quoted; comparing Boxing to Muay Thai is like comparing apples to pocket lint.
QFT
And what rebuttal do you offer to what I said?
Woah, simmer down. QFT stands for, "Quoted for Truth." That's, literally an, "I agree with what this guy said, and repeated it for emphasis." Not, IMUSTKILLTHEMALLANDSALTTHEFOODCOURT!
Oops.
I apologize. In my experience on the internet, that abbreviation usually means "Quit *** Talking".
That is entirely my fault and my misunderstanding, and I will erase my reply to you, as it was made in error.
For what it's worth, I can also agree with what you said mostly. I mean, I'd probably expand a bit, but you're not wrong.
I was going to expand more, but I don't want to get involved in the current argument(s) of "whose MA is superior to whose" and "if you don't believe me, then come at me, bro!" or the "I don't like *blah* Martial Art, so I'm going to claim that it's fake/worthless".
Words from my Sensei when we asked him about other Martial Arts compared to Ryu-Te: "To call into question the efficacy of a person's Martial Art/prowess, is to call into question the efficacy of your own Martial Art/prowess. To do so is arrogance. Arrogance is folly. And folly leads to failure."
You'd probably enjoy reading The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi.0 -
Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »The_Patriarch wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
I'll be honest. Unless you're dealing with someone who literally does not know how to fight, boxing is worthless. Most wrestling you'd get training in is a close second. Even some of the stuff you look at as worthless, like recreational Aikido can safely neutralize a boxer or wrestler.
For example, people who thing Boxing is a martial art, and not a competition sport, with very strict rules that simply don't apply when you've taken a boot to the shin.
Do you ACTUALLY believe this...?
I know it.
Boxing is specifically designed, and has evolved for a competition environment.
Actual combat is not about a fairly adjudicated arena. Boxing, actually does set, false goals for the user. And, they actually do approach live combat like they're in the ring.
Beyond that, it is an incredibly limited form. It cannot deal with opponents who redirect your inertia (so, Aikdio, or Judo), it can't deal with opponents who focus on ground fighting (Judo, again), it can't deal with martial styles that focus on range (like Taikwando.) In short, it's only really useful when you're facing off against someone who does not know what they're doing.
Have you done any Boxing or Muay Thai?
I'm not going to get into the current argument over what is/is not a "valid" Martial Art. In my experience, if a person is an avid student of their chosen martial art, and puts in the work to perfect their chosen fighting style, then those martial arts are usually very effective in a wide range of hand-to-hand combat applications. In my experience, my years of training in Oyata Ryukyu Kempo served me far more effectively than the Marine Corps combat fighting style.
While there are some martial arts that are superior to others, most of those arguments are subjective, and widely biased in favor of the martial art that the individual is currently taking or is a fan of. Whether one martial art would win over another, is also a widely subjective argument, and "victory" almost always depends entirely upon the individuals in question. How hard did they train in their respective arts? How much natural talent does one have? How much will to win does one opponent or the other have? How intuitive are their instincts, and how crisp are their reflexes and counters?
But calling one martial art or the other "fake" or "flashy showmanship" is doing nothing more than stroking already latent aggressiveness in order to ignite or keep a heated argument going.
Further, to call Kung fu (Shaolin or not) into question, is to show your own ignorance. Kung Fu/Gung Fu is a class of many martial arts styles that are some of the oldest in the world. To simply rip up thousands of years of training, discipline, and mastery of these fighting styles just to inflate your own ego, without any evidence that their ineffective, is simply a foolish stance to take.
But I digress.
In reference to what I quoted; comparing Boxing to Muay Thai is like comparing apples to pocket lint.
QFT
And what rebuttal do you offer to what I said?
Woah, simmer down. QFT stands for, "Quoted for Truth." That's, literally an, "I agree with what this guy said, and repeated it for emphasis." Not, IMUSTKILLTHEMALLANDSALTTHEFOODCOURT!
Oops.
I apologize. In my experience on the internet, that abbreviation usually means "Quit *** Talking".
That is entirely my fault and my misunderstanding, and I will erase my reply to you, as it was made in error.
For what it's worth, I can also agree with what you said mostly. I mean, I'd probably expand a bit, but you're not wrong.
I was going to expand more, but I don't want to get involved in the current argument(s) of "whose MA is superior to whose" and "if you don't believe me, then come at me, bro!" or the "I don't like *blah* Martial Art, so I'm going to claim that it's fake/worthless".
Words from my Sensei when we asked him about other Martial Arts compared to Ryu-Te: "To call into question the efficacy of a person's Martial Art/prowess, is to call into question the efficacy of your own Martial Art/prowess. To do so is arrogance. Arrogance is folly. And folly leads to failure."
You'd probably enjoy reading The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi.
I own a copy. As well as a couple books on Bushido, and The Art of War.
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PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say no to Crown Crates!0 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »The_Patriarch wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
I'll be honest. Unless you're dealing with someone who literally does not know how to fight, boxing is worthless. Most wrestling you'd get training in is a close second. Even some of the stuff you look at as worthless, like recreational Aikido can safely neutralize a boxer or wrestler.
For example, people who thing Boxing is a martial art, and not a competition sport, with very strict rules that simply don't apply when you've taken a boot to the shin.
Do you ACTUALLY believe this...?
I know it.
Boxing is specifically designed, and has evolved for a competition environment.
Actual combat is not about a fairly adjudicated arena. Boxing, actually does set, false goals for the user. And, they actually do approach live combat like they're in the ring.
Beyond that, it is an incredibly limited form. It cannot deal with opponents who redirect your inertia (so, Aikdio, or Judo), it can't deal with opponents who focus on ground fighting (Judo, again), it can't deal with martial styles that focus on range (like Taikwando.) In short, it's only really useful when you're facing off against someone who does not know what they're doing.
Have you done any Boxing or Muay Thai?
I'm not going to get into the current argument over what is/is not a "valid" Martial Art. In my experience, if a person is an avid student of their chosen martial art, and puts in the work to perfect their chosen fighting style, then those martial arts are usually very effective in a wide range of hand-to-hand combat applications. In my experience, my years of training in Oyata Ryukyu Kempo served me far more effectively than the Marine Corps combat fighting style.
While there are some martial arts that are superior to others, most of those arguments are subjective, and widely biased in favor of the martial art that the individual is currently taking or is a fan of. Whether one martial art would win over another, is also a widely subjective argument, and "victory" almost always depends entirely upon the individuals in question. How hard did they train in their respective arts? How much natural talent does one have? How much will to win does one opponent or the other have? How intuitive are their instincts, and how crisp are their reflexes and counters?
But calling one martial art or the other "fake" or "flashy showmanship" is doing nothing more than stroking already latent aggressiveness in order to ignite or keep a heated argument going.
Further, to call Kung fu (Shaolin or not) into question, is to show your own ignorance. Kung Fu/Gung Fu is a class of many martial arts styles that are some of the oldest in the world. To simply rip up thousands of years of training, discipline, and mastery of these fighting styles just to inflate your own ego, without any evidence that their ineffective, is simply a foolish stance to take.
But I digress.
In reference to what I quoted; comparing Boxing to Muay Thai is like comparing apples to pocket lint.
QFT
And what rebuttal do you offer to what I said?
Woah, simmer down. QFT stands for, "Quoted for Truth." That's, literally an, "I agree with what this guy said, and repeated it for emphasis." Not, IMUSTKILLTHEMALLANDSALTTHEFOODCOURT!
Oops.
I apologize. In my experience on the internet, that abbreviation usually means "Quit *** Talking".
That is entirely my fault and my misunderstanding, and I will erase my reply to you, as it was made in error.
For what it's worth, I can also agree with what you said mostly. I mean, I'd probably expand a bit, but you're not wrong.
I was going to expand more, but I don't want to get involved in the current argument(s) of "whose MA is superior to whose" and "if you don't believe me, then come at me, bro!" or the "I don't like *blah* Martial Art, so I'm going to claim that it's fake/worthless".
Words from my Sensei when we asked him about other Martial Arts compared to Ryu-Te: "To call into question the efficacy of a person's Martial Art/prowess, is to call into question the efficacy of your own Martial Art/prowess. To do so is arrogance. Arrogance is folly. And folly leads to failure."
You'd probably enjoy reading The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi.
I own a copy. As well as a couple books on Bushido, and The Art of War.
The Art of War has principals that will make you a successful PvPer:
"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle"
Therefore to be a good PvPer you must master your class as well as every other class in the game. Know your own strengths and weaknesses as well as that of your opponents
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »The_Patriarch wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
I'll be honest. Unless you're dealing with someone who literally does not know how to fight, boxing is worthless. Most wrestling you'd get training in is a close second. Even some of the stuff you look at as worthless, like recreational Aikido can safely neutralize a boxer or wrestler.
For example, people who thing Boxing is a martial art, and not a competition sport, with very strict rules that simply don't apply when you've taken a boot to the shin.
Do you ACTUALLY believe this...?
I know it.
Boxing is specifically designed, and has evolved for a competition environment.
Actual combat is not about a fairly adjudicated arena. Boxing, actually does set, false goals for the user. And, they actually do approach live combat like they're in the ring.
Beyond that, it is an incredibly limited form. It cannot deal with opponents who redirect your inertia (so, Aikdio, or Judo), it can't deal with opponents who focus on ground fighting (Judo, again), it can't deal with martial styles that focus on range (like Taikwando.) In short, it's only really useful when you're facing off against someone who does not know what they're doing.
Have you done any Boxing or Muay Thai?
I'm not going to get into the current argument over what is/is not a "valid" Martial Art. In my experience, if a person is an avid student of their chosen martial art, and puts in the work to perfect their chosen fighting style, then those martial arts are usually very effective in a wide range of hand-to-hand combat applications. In my experience, my years of training in Oyata Ryukyu Kempo served me far more effectively than the Marine Corps combat fighting style.
While there are some martial arts that are superior to others, most of those arguments are subjective, and widely biased in favor of the martial art that the individual is currently taking or is a fan of. Whether one martial art would win over another, is also a widely subjective argument, and "victory" almost always depends entirely upon the individuals in question. How hard did they train in their respective arts? How much natural talent does one have? How much will to win does one opponent or the other have? How intuitive are their instincts, and how crisp are their reflexes and counters?
But calling one martial art or the other "fake" or "flashy showmanship" is doing nothing more than stroking already latent aggressiveness in order to ignite or keep a heated argument going.
Further, to call Kung fu (Shaolin or not) into question, is to show your own ignorance. Kung Fu/Gung Fu is a class of many martial arts styles that are some of the oldest in the world. To simply rip up thousands of years of training, discipline, and mastery of these fighting styles just to inflate your own ego, without any evidence that their ineffective, is simply a foolish stance to take.
But I digress.
In reference to what I quoted; comparing Boxing to Muay Thai is like comparing apples to pocket lint.
QFT
And what rebuttal do you offer to what I said?
Woah, simmer down. QFT stands for, "Quoted for Truth." That's, literally an, "I agree with what this guy said, and repeated it for emphasis." Not, IMUSTKILLTHEMALLANDSALTTHEFOODCOURT!
Oops.
I apologize. In my experience on the internet, that abbreviation usually means "Quit *** Talking".
That is entirely my fault and my misunderstanding, and I will erase my reply to you, as it was made in error.
For what it's worth, I can also agree with what you said mostly. I mean, I'd probably expand a bit, but you're not wrong.
I was going to expand more, but I don't want to get involved in the current argument(s) of "whose MA is superior to whose" and "if you don't believe me, then come at me, bro!" or the "I don't like *blah* Martial Art, so I'm going to claim that it's fake/worthless".
Words from my Sensei when we asked him about other Martial Arts compared to Ryu-Te: "To call into question the efficacy of a person's Martial Art/prowess, is to call into question the efficacy of your own Martial Art/prowess. To do so is arrogance. Arrogance is folly. And folly leads to failure."
Yeah, not exactly how I would have phrased it, but, it's solid.
I was thinking more that, it's important to remember each martial art has it's own internalized philosophy. The rest of the style builds up around that. These are incredibly varied, and (most of the time) you can trust that they've evolved to work very well in their native environment.
The problem with a lot of, "my martial art is better than yours," arguments is, it comes from people thinking that because their martial art excels at what it's supposed to do, it is inherently superior in all circumstances. Even more compounded when you're dealing with martial arts that have a very specific venue they're designed to work in.
Especially for people who've only ever looked at one martial art, it can be very easy to internalize that discipline's philosophy as, "how combat works," to the exclusion of all others. Leading to internet slap fights like we saw in this thread.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »The_Patriarch wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
I'll be honest. Unless you're dealing with someone who literally does not know how to fight, boxing is worthless. Most wrestling you'd get training in is a close second. Even some of the stuff you look at as worthless, like recreational Aikido can safely neutralize a boxer or wrestler.
For example, people who thing Boxing is a martial art, and not a competition sport, with very strict rules that simply don't apply when you've taken a boot to the shin.
Do you ACTUALLY believe this...?
I know it.
Boxing is specifically designed, and has evolved for a competition environment.
Actual combat is not about a fairly adjudicated arena. Boxing, actually does set, false goals for the user. And, they actually do approach live combat like they're in the ring.
Beyond that, it is an incredibly limited form. It cannot deal with opponents who redirect your inertia (so, Aikdio, or Judo), it can't deal with opponents who focus on ground fighting (Judo, again), it can't deal with martial styles that focus on range (like Taikwando.) In short, it's only really useful when you're facing off against someone who does not know what they're doing.
Have you done any Boxing or Muay Thai?
I'm not going to get into the current argument over what is/is not a "valid" Martial Art. In my experience, if a person is an avid student of their chosen martial art, and puts in the work to perfect their chosen fighting style, then those martial arts are usually very effective in a wide range of hand-to-hand combat applications. In my experience, my years of training in Oyata Ryukyu Kempo served me far more effectively than the Marine Corps combat fighting style.
While there are some martial arts that are superior to others, most of those arguments are subjective, and widely biased in favor of the martial art that the individual is currently taking or is a fan of. Whether one martial art would win over another, is also a widely subjective argument, and "victory" almost always depends entirely upon the individuals in question. How hard did they train in their respective arts? How much natural talent does one have? How much will to win does one opponent or the other have? How intuitive are their instincts, and how crisp are their reflexes and counters?
But calling one martial art or the other "fake" or "flashy showmanship" is doing nothing more than stroking already latent aggressiveness in order to ignite or keep a heated argument going.
Further, to call Kung fu (Shaolin or not) into question, is to show your own ignorance. Kung Fu/Gung Fu is a class of many martial arts styles that are some of the oldest in the world. To simply rip up thousands of years of training, discipline, and mastery of these fighting styles just to inflate your own ego, without any evidence that their ineffective, is simply a foolish stance to take.
But I digress.
In reference to what I quoted; comparing Boxing to Muay Thai is like comparing apples to pocket lint.
QFT
And what rebuttal do you offer to what I said?
Woah, simmer down. QFT stands for, "Quoted for Truth." That's, literally an, "I agree with what this guy said, and repeated it for emphasis." Not, IMUSTKILLTHEMALLANDSALTTHEFOODCOURT!
Oops.
I apologize. In my experience on the internet, that abbreviation usually means "Quit *** Talking".
That is entirely my fault and my misunderstanding, and I will erase my reply to you, as it was made in error.
For what it's worth, I can also agree with what you said mostly. I mean, I'd probably expand a bit, but you're not wrong.
I was going to expand more, but I don't want to get involved in the current argument(s) of "whose MA is superior to whose" and "if you don't believe me, then come at me, bro!" or the "I don't like *blah* Martial Art, so I'm going to claim that it's fake/worthless".
Words from my Sensei when we asked him about other Martial Arts compared to Ryu-Te: "To call into question the efficacy of a person's Martial Art/prowess, is to call into question the efficacy of your own Martial Art/prowess. To do so is arrogance. Arrogance is folly. And folly leads to failure."
You'd probably enjoy reading The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi.
I own a copy. As well as a couple books on Bushido, and The Art of War.
The Art of War has principals that will make you a successful PvPer:
"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle"
Therefore to be a good PvPer you must master your class as well as every other class in the game. Know your own strengths and weaknesses as well as that of your opponents
Straight up, The Art of War is a fantastic strategy primer, for nearly any context.2 -
Rouven✭✭✭✭✭
✭The plot of a lot of movies: "My Kung Fu is stronger than your Kung Fu."
The human body is always the same. Well in terms of joints and limbs and stuff.
If you train with serious intent you already have an advantage over many. If you understand how your body works and how to create speed and power (for your technique) you have an advantage over even more. If you know how to read your oponent, anticipate movements, if you have the willpower to keep going once you are tired and hurt - then you should be golden.
Best lesson for me in the army (no active combat, compulsory service) was experiencing the adrenaline kicking in after being physically and mentally exhausted and then keep going. Seeing the plane at the third jump made me realize I had my eyes closed the first two times.
I'm lucky enough to never have been in a life or death situation and I'd like to keep it that way. Otherwise I'll find out how I will truly react at that point. As for now I am continuously humbled by older men and women, some reaching 80, that I train traditional shotokan karate with.
@Storymaster - Never stop watching Bruce Lee movies.
"Ganbatte kudasai!"Edited by Rouven on November 7, 2017 5:06PMReal stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. ~ Terry Pratchett2 -
AAbrigo✭✭✭Ex Military
Former American Football player
Until I broke my ancle in a match and got a plate and alot of screws in it.
Now just a nerd playing ESO
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Gan Xing✭✭✭✭OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »I don’t know if this counts but I helped run a self defense class for girls while I was in High School. I also got to a red belt in martial arts.
It does! My mom also has a self defense program.
I on the other hand have dabbled in a lot
2 years 8 step mantis Kung fu
3.5 years wrestling in high school (tore my elbow ligament and ended my season)
3 years Arneis (Filipino stick fighting) and Tang Soo Do (korean karate)
6 days fencing (but can manage to win 1 of 4 bouts against a teacher.... i think he gave it to me)
I would like to check out HEMA...
edit: forgot to include that i've been doing archery for years (insight archery, so no use with all those addons you got with modern archery)
Also, long distance running.... gotta improve on that stamina and endurance. Sure 100m sprint is nice, but if your stuck between a rock and a hard place, at the very least be able to hold out... or disable them and climb up that rock -- so will add that I rock climb too Edited by Gan Xing on November 7, 2017 6:31PMGan Xing - Crafting Nightblade
Elrana Tinuviel - Hybrid Dragonknight
Elentári Peregrine - Sorcerer "bank"
Rán Xīng - Hybrid Templar
Laurïsil Imlachwen - Stamina Templar
Helotë Tinuviel - Hybrid/Magicka Warden
Odin banker - obv banker
Yan of the Red Mountain - lvl 3 DK - not sure when I will work on em
Seeks the unusual and unique playstyles...1 -
Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
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I agree with you completely.starkerealm wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »The_Patriarch wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
I'll be honest. Unless you're dealing with someone who literally does not know how to fight, boxing is worthless. Most wrestling you'd get training in is a close second. Even some of the stuff you look at as worthless, like recreational Aikido can safely neutralize a boxer or wrestler.
For example, people who thing Boxing is a martial art, and not a competition sport, with very strict rules that simply don't apply when you've taken a boot to the shin.
Do you ACTUALLY believe this...?
I know it.
Boxing is specifically designed, and has evolved for a competition environment.
Actual combat is not about a fairly adjudicated arena. Boxing, actually does set, false goals for the user. And, they actually do approach live combat like they're in the ring.
Beyond that, it is an incredibly limited form. It cannot deal with opponents who redirect your inertia (so, Aikdio, or Judo), it can't deal with opponents who focus on ground fighting (Judo, again), it can't deal with martial styles that focus on range (like Taikwando.) In short, it's only really useful when you're facing off against someone who does not know what they're doing.
Have you done any Boxing or Muay Thai?
I'm not going to get into the current argument over what is/is not a "valid" Martial Art. In my experience, if a person is an avid student of their chosen martial art, and puts in the work to perfect their chosen fighting style, then those martial arts are usually very effective in a wide range of hand-to-hand combat applications. In my experience, my years of training in Oyata Ryukyu Kempo served me far more effectively than the Marine Corps combat fighting style.
While there are some martial arts that are superior to others, most of those arguments are subjective, and widely biased in favor of the martial art that the individual is currently taking or is a fan of. Whether one martial art would win over another, is also a widely subjective argument, and "victory" almost always depends entirely upon the individuals in question. How hard did they train in their respective arts? How much natural talent does one have? How much will to win does one opponent or the other have? How intuitive are their instincts, and how crisp are their reflexes and counters?
But calling one martial art or the other "fake" or "flashy showmanship" is doing nothing more than stroking already latent aggressiveness in order to ignite or keep a heated argument going.
Further, to call Kung fu (Shaolin or not) into question, is to show your own ignorance. Kung Fu/Gung Fu is a class of many martial arts styles that are some of the oldest in the world. To simply rip up thousands of years of training, discipline, and mastery of these fighting styles just to inflate your own ego, without any evidence that their ineffective, is simply a foolish stance to take.
But I digress.
In reference to what I quoted; comparing Boxing to Muay Thai is like comparing apples to pocket lint.
QFT
And what rebuttal do you offer to what I said?
Woah, simmer down. QFT stands for, "Quoted for Truth." That's, literally an, "I agree with what this guy said, and repeated it for emphasis." Not, IMUSTKILLTHEMALLANDSALTTHEFOODCOURT!
Oops.
I apologize. In my experience on the internet, that abbreviation usually means "Quit *** Talking".
That is entirely my fault and my misunderstanding, and I will erase my reply to you, as it was made in error.
For what it's worth, I can also agree with what you said mostly. I mean, I'd probably expand a bit, but you're not wrong.
I was going to expand more, but I don't want to get involved in the current argument(s) of "whose MA is superior to whose" and "if you don't believe me, then come at me, bro!" or the "I don't like *blah* Martial Art, so I'm going to claim that it's fake/worthless".
Words from my Sensei when we asked him about other Martial Arts compared to Ryu-Te: "To call into question the efficacy of a person's Martial Art/prowess, is to call into question the efficacy of your own Martial Art/prowess. To do so is arrogance. Arrogance is folly. And folly leads to failure."
Yeah, not exactly how I would have phrased it, but, it's solid.
I was thinking more that, it's important to remember each martial art has it's own internalized philosophy. The rest of the style builds up around that. These are incredibly varied, and (most of the time) you can trust that they've evolved to work very well in their native environment.
The problem with a lot of, "my martial art is better than yours," arguments is, it comes from people thinking that because their martial art excels at what it's supposed to do, it is inherently superior in all circumstances. Even more compounded when you're dealing with martial arts that have a very specific venue they're designed to work in.
Especially for people who've only ever looked at one martial art, it can be very easy to internalize that discipline's philosophy as, "how combat works," to the exclusion of all others. Leading to internet slap fights like we saw in this thread.
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✭✭✭✭✭Uncle Sam won't take me cause I'm an unfit Cancer Survivor.
But I entertained the idea of trying to be a Guardsman once. To try and better my life.
i remember reading a post from a year or so wherein you briefly mentioned some serious health challenges - really good to see you still posting
I've gone past 2 years Cancer free now. But you learn that cheating Death comes at a price. I'm a broken shell of what I used to be. Before my diagnosis I was working freight handling, unloading trucks with the best of em, rolling out two dishwashers on my back at a time and loving the labor. Then I almost died of Cancer, six months of Chemo, a month of Radiation, and now I get winded on a ten minute walk. Dizzy spells come easily. Radiation damaged my Thyroid and I'm Testosterone deficient. I'm pretty much a burden to society now because I survived Cancer. Go me.
But oh yeah, still alive to keep posting here.
howdy @ArchMikem ...thanks for sharing...no, not broken - you're mind is still sharp...
i've had a few health "challenges", one was my thyroid going out while working around nukes - hmmmm, go figure
went about a decade before being correctly diagnosed, quit a good job cuz I thought I was suffering a nervous breakdown, gained about 80 lbs, slept a lot - a whole lot, ended up being out of work for around 4 years...
Yyyyup, sounds like a damaged underactive Thyroid alright, though it hit you a lot harder than me, I gained about 20lbs before I was diagnosed and put on Levothyroxine permanently.
But Jesus you worked with Nuclear Bombs? I'm assuming through the Air Force right? If you actually got exposed to Radiation during your work I'd think you'd be entitled to reparation.
it's telling @ArchMikem - a lot of our interpretation of a warrior includes combat, or, combat training...
for anyone whom has spent some significant time in a hospital bed - that's truly when you learn about what a warrior "spirit" can mean...
facing health challenges is something which can stay with you 24/7 and can spiritually feel like being gated in cyrdodiil 24/7...it can be hard to get off the wall at the starter gate just to get in to the fight...
thyroid illness isn't all that catastrophic in of itself - the issue for me was it went undiagnosed for almost a decade...truth be told - the last few years i stopped trying to find help - i thought things were normal...sadly without a working thyroid all your bodily functions, including the brain - slow way way down...sometimes - when you really are sick - you may not even be able to recognize it...
before that hit i had fairly recently recovered from brain surgery (fractured skull - which actually only took about 8 months to fully physically recover)...
when your faced with extended illness, or in a situation where you need to learn to adapt to a physical "disability" - when you can't depend on your body to be that all encompassing awesome warrior we think of - you have to either rely on your mind, faith, spirit, family/friends, discipline, tenacity - incredibly good fortune - just to survive...
my god daughter's aunt whom is only a year older than her and just turned 17 has sickle cell...i've known her for 15 years now...even when there's a grimace on her face from the pain she'll tell you she's fine and doing well...heck, she'll ask if you need any help with anything...
she's every bit a warrior to me...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place2 -
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✭Fighting wise, about 12 years of Judo, Black Belt Dan 5. 10 years of Pankration. About 3 of Capoeira. Now learning Wing Chun.
For combat was about 5 years in the Brazilian Army Special Forces doing missions in the Amazon Forest and border with other south american countries. The spent about one year in the Military Police of Rio de Janeiro, now I work in private security.
I'm very happy to see a thread on the warrior class. All men should know how to fight and defend themselves and their family.
The ladies too, my little girl will start on martial arts when she is age 5 and a gun at 16!8 -
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✭Navy diver for the last 10 years, still going strong. I kicked a 400lb Goliath grouper in key west during some training evolutions once and it made a loud sound that was scary...moral of the story, don’t kick a big ass Goliath grouper.Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I once beat a mud crab in real life. Well.... I pointed to it in the tank at the restaurant and they cooked it."Get off my lawn!"4 -
Yubarius✭✭✭✭Been taking martial arts for a little over 5 years and actually got my black sash in kung fu a month ago!- Yubarius - Magicka NB - Flawless Conqueror
- YubariusX - Magicka Warden - Flawless Conqueror
- Lord Yubarius - Stamina Sorc - Stormproof - Centurion
- 'Rubick the Grand Magus - Magicka Sorc
- Fair Child Tank - Stamina DK
- Jaruko - Magicka Templar
- Selthyn Bavailo - Mag DK
- Bandit-The-Great - Stam Temp
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✭✭✭✭✭But Jesus you worked with Nuclear Bombs? I'm assuming through the Air Force right? If you actually got exposed to Radiation during your work I'd think you'd be entitled to reparation.
howdy @ArchMikem it was actually an army artillery assignment...it was the pershing II missiles of the 80's which were deployed over in germany...they were actually a pretty significant tool during the cold war...
unfortunately - you have to do a thyroid (tsh) test to identify an issue with the thyroid (or, spot it by eye, which was how i was very fortunately helped)...so, basically something that was never tested for won't be in my medical records...definitely something which has crossed my mind a bunch in the past...
the issue wasn't so much with exposure to the warheads (got a chance to spend some time in the bunkers counting them on occasion - really creepy environment), the issue was with the guidance systems sections of the missile, something about the radar???
most dangerous part of the job though - was having to go around the bunker's perimeter fences with a radio on my back to check the sensors on the fences...there were watchtowers all along the fence manned by young folks who were stuck inside the towers for hours on end with nothing to do, and, locked and loaded weapons - yeah, i used to make it a serious point to make sure they all new i was coming - please, don't shoot me
whole point of the story being though @ArchMikem ...despite your health challenges and having to come to terms with a new norm physically - you can still succeed and achieve...
you sound intelligent and also someone whom is brutally honest with themselves, you just may need to adjust your goals, making happiness and health paramount amongst them...Edited by geonsocal on November 7, 2017 9:18PMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place2 -
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✭Edited by whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO on November 8, 2017 1:51AMSigned, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3600 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.1 -
Coggo✭✭✭Warrior no. Healer yes. Clinical nurse specialist ICU, flight nurse, Red Cross and wilderness first responder. Breath of life is a very different skill irl.6 -
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✭✭✭✭The Art of War has principals that will make you a successful PvPer:
"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle"
Therefore to be a good PvPer you must master your class as well as every other class in the game. Know your own strengths and weaknesses as well as that of your opponents
Holy Crap.
I have a LOT of trouble with PvP and this is by far the best advice I have ever had in how to deal with it.
I thank you!Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
Gan Xing✭✭✭✭Warrior no. Healer yes. Clinical nurse specialist ICU, flight nurse, Red Cross and wilderness first responder. Breath of life is a very different skill irl.
awesome!! I want to get my wilderness first responder certification. have regular first aid atmGan Xing - Crafting Nightblade
Elrana Tinuviel - Hybrid Dragonknight
Elentári Peregrine - Sorcerer "bank"
Rán Xīng - Hybrid Templar
Laurïsil Imlachwen - Stamina Templar
Helotë Tinuviel - Hybrid/Magicka Warden
Odin banker - obv banker
Yan of the Red Mountain - lvl 3 DK - not sure when I will work on em
Seeks the unusual and unique playstyles...1 -
Riddari✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I went to school in Los Angelos. I can outrun 100% of the gangs and 99% of the police.
Same...I went to school near Van Nuys. Whoo boy.0 -
Alchemical✭✭✭✭✭Y'all fighting other people, but have you ever tried wrestling a cow? That's some real *** there.2 -
Gan Xing✭✭✭✭Alchemical wrote: »Y'all fighting other people, but have you ever tried wrestling a cow? That's some real *** there.
I've been headbutted by one... It wanted a banana peel.Gan Xing - Crafting Nightblade
Elrana Tinuviel - Hybrid Dragonknight
Elentári Peregrine - Sorcerer "bank"
Rán Xīng - Hybrid Templar
Laurïsil Imlachwen - Stamina Templar
Helotë Tinuviel - Hybrid/Magicka Warden
Odin banker - obv banker
Yan of the Red Mountain - lvl 3 DK - not sure when I will work on em
Seeks the unusual and unique playstyles...1
