Astrid_V wrote: »

We can't participate in sweepstakes because of our polish law.
It's not ZOS' fault.

And thats not true at all. Magically we can participate in Holiday Art event and get rewards there. Sweepstake country limitation is purely on a whim of ZOS.

Edit: copy paste of Holiday Fan Art event contest:

2. ELIGIBILITY
All participants must be 18 years of age or older at the time of entry, must possess a valid form of identification and be a legal resident of (i) one of the 50 United States (or the District of Columbia) excluding the territories, military installations and commonwealths (ii) Canada (iii) UK, France, Germany, Austria, Poland, Spain, Belgium, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Russia (iv) Australia, New Zealand or (v) Argentina, Mexico, Peru.

Copy paste of Sweepstakes:

2. ELIGIBILITY
All participants must (a) be at least 18 years of age or older or the age of majority in their jurisdiction of
residence, whichever is older, (residents of Alabama or Nebraska must be at least 19 years old;
residents of Mississippi must be at least 21 years old), at the time of entry; (b) possess a valid form of
identification; and, (c) be a legal resident of: (i) one of the 50 United States or the District of Columbia
(excluding residents of Florida, New York, Rhode Island, the territories and military installations), (ii)
Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec) (iii) Finland, (iv) France, (v) Germany, (vi) Mexico, (vii)
Norway, (viii) Russia, (ix) Switzerland, or (x) the United Kingdom.

Can you see the difference?

https://www.dlapiperintelligence.com/prizepromotions/insight/index.html?t=prize-draws

to be fair, by the law, there's no reason why it could not have been run in Poland, as it requires no purchase of goods to enter, unless we consider the purchase of the game as an entry ticket.

Is it money from the holiday art event?

Like some states can’t even enter. Couple of my guild mates can’t join it.

Gravord wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

We can't participate in sweepstakes because of our polish law.
It's not ZOS' fault.

And thats not true at all. Magically we can participate in Holiday Art event and get rewards there. Sweepstake country limitation is purely on a whim of ZOS.

It's not the first time when Poland is excluded from this type of event, many other countries were also excluded.
Also, sweepstakes and holiday art event are completely two different things.
Fortunately we'll be able to participate in this "dungeon event", from Nov. 30 to Dec. 6

Gravord wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

We can't participate in sweepstakes because of our polish law.
It's not ZOS' fault.

And thats not true at all. Magically we can participate in Holiday Art event and get rewards there. Sweepstake country limitation is purely on a whim of ZOS.

Edit: copy paste of Holiday Fan Art event contest:

2. ELIGIBILITY
All participants must be 18 years of age or older at the time of entry, must possess a valid form of identification and be a legal resident of (i) one of the 50 United States (or the District of Columbia) excluding the territories, military installations and commonwealths (ii) Canada (iii) UK, France, Germany, Austria, Poland, Spain, Belgium, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Russia (iv) Australia, New Zealand or (v) Argentina, Mexico, Peru.

Copy paste of Sweepstakes:

2. ELIGIBILITY
All participants must (a) be at least 18 years of age or older or the age of majority in their jurisdiction of
residence, whichever is older, (residents of Alabama or Nebraska must be at least 19 years old;
residents of Mississippi must be at least 21 years old), at the time of entry; (b) possess a valid form of
identification; and, (c) be a legal resident of: (i) one of the 50 United States or the District of Columbia
(excluding residents of Florida, New York, Rhode Island, the territories and military installations), (ii)
Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec) (iii) Finland, (iv) France, (v) Germany, (vi) Mexico, (vii)
Norway, (viii) Russia, (ix) Switzerland, or (x) the United Kingdom.

Can you see the difference?

Actually, yes. The difference is one is a "contest" where you enter a art piece.
The "Sweepstakes" falls under a "Lottery" style category and is illegal in some countries.

Gravord wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

We can't participate in sweepstakes because of our polish law.
It's not ZOS' fault.

And thats not true at all. Magically we can participate in Holiday Art event and get rewards there. Sweepstake country limitation is purely on a whim of ZOS.

If the prize is real world money or merchandise, that is probably the big difference there. Virtual Prizes are not considered the same way. Note, I don't know what the prize is or was for the Art Contest.

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

If your country doesn’t allow it why blame ZOS?

I’ve seen numerous threads like this. What is wrong with you people? This shouldn’t even be a surprise to you.

mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »

https://www.dlapiperintelligence.com/prizepromotions/insight/index.html?t=prize-draws

to be fair, by the law, there's no reason why it could not have been run in Poland, as it requires no purchase of goods to enter, unless we consider the purchase of the game as an entry ticket.

ZoS and their legal team felt that the way the law was worded, they'd be risking a lawsuit by carrying it out in your country. You are mad at the wrong entity here. There are certain states in the U.S. that cannot even participate. No one at ZoS is persecuting you or your people just because you are from Poland as your original post suggested.

mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »

https://www.dlapiperintelligence.com/prizepromotions/insight/index.html?t=prize-draws

to be fair, by the law, there's no reason why it could not have been run in Poland, as it requires no purchase of goods to enter, unless we consider the purchase of the game as an entry ticket.

Getting tired of reposting this.

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Actually, yes. The difference is one is a "contest" where you enter a art piece.
The "Sweepstakes" falls under a "Lottery" style category and is illegal in some countries.

Yeah, this is, actually, a major legal distinction. One of these is a competition based on merits, the other is a competition based on random luck. The latter is much more tightly regulated in many countries.

I've sent you a PM about Polish penal code.

Gravord wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Owning the game is not your entry ticket seeing as how you have to actually register to enter the sweepstakes: https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26235?Enter-the-#10MillionStories-Sweepstakes-for-a-chance-at-hundreds-of-epic-prizes!

However, participation is dependent on you actually owning the game, given the instructions for entering:
"If you'd like to be one of the 300 lucky winners, follow the steps below:

Register for the 10 Million Stories Sweepstakes via the online entry form.
Play The Elder Scrolls Online any time between November 1, 2017 at 12:01AM EDT, and December 6, 2017 at 11:59PM EST."

Therefore, this does seem to fall under Poland's guidelines that "This is unlawful (it may be considered as a lottery, which requires obtaining official approval under the Gambling Act), unless participation in the promotion is not conditional on the purchase of goods, services or another game ticket." since participation is indeed conditional on purchasing the game.

And that would be true if not the fact that ESO will be free (to make account and play) during the Sweepstake. So it doesnt require to buy game account and theres NO polish law preventing polish citizens from participating.

https://imgur.com/a/jjyAz

It's still true, even with that promo going on. At least, in so far as an ambitious state prosecutor making life miserable for everyone involved. A lot of times, when you're assessing international liability on something like this, it's a lot easier to simply say, "nope, not worth the risk," and strike someone off the list, than to take the chance that someone, somewhere, might throw a fit.

Even if the service is free, you still need to acquire it. That makes it a promotional lottery which falls under the Polish gambling law.

Art. 2. 1. Grami losowymi są gry, w tym urządzane przez sieć Internet, o wygrane pieniężne lub rzeczowe, których wynik w szczególności zależy od przypadku. Są to:
(...)
10) loterie promocyjne, w których uczestniczy się przez nabycie towaru, usługi lub innego dowodu udziału w grze i tym samym nieodpłatnie uczestniczy się w loterii, a podmiot urządzający loterię oferuje wygrane pieniężne lub rzeczowe;

Rosveen wrote: »

Even if the service is free, you still need to acquire it. That makes it a promotional lottery which falls under the Polish gambling law.

Art. 2. 1. Grami losowymi są gry, w tym urządzane przez sieć Internet, o wygrane pieniężne lub rzeczowe, których wynik w szczególności zależy od przypadku. Są to:
(...)
10) loterie promocyjne, w których uczestniczy się przez nabycie towaru, usługi lub innego dowodu udziału w grze i tym samym nieodpłatnie uczestniczy się w loterii, a podmiot urządzający loterię oferuje wygrane pieniężne lub rzeczowe;

Is there a english translation? Just curious I use to work in a law firm. Never sought to specialize in it, but law was always interesting to me.