So how many real life warriors do we have in here?

geonsocal · November 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Uncle Sam won't take me cause I'm an unfit Cancer Survivor.

But I entertained the idea of trying to be a Guardsman once. To try and better my life.

i remember reading a post from a year or so wherein you briefly mentioned some serious health challenges - really good to see you still posting

Hippie4927 · November 2017

Rainraven wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Why does every thread have to turn into an argument? Why can't people just stick to the OP's question?

Competitive people, and people who like words: combine those and you'll get arguments about whether water is wet, and what does wet mean exactly? It reminds me of family reunions. My family's full of lawyers and teachers.

Ha, ha! Yeah, I come from a family of people who love to argue. I don't know what happened to me but I'm not into the arguing. I tell my brother "let's just agree to disagree" and he can't do it. And he gets mad when I refuse to continue the argument.

lagrue · November 2017

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Why does every thread have to turn into an argument? Why can't people just stick to the OP's question?

Competitive people, and people who like words: combine those and you'll get arguments about whether water is wet, and what does wet mean exactly? It reminds me of family reunions. My family's full of lawyers and teachers.

Ha, ha! Yeah, I come from a family of people who love to argue. I don't know what happened to me but I'm not into the arguing. I tell my brother "let's just agree to disagree" and he can't do it. And he gets mad when I refuse to continue the argument.

Can't speak for your brother, but I'm similar - it's an angst thing. Agreeing to disagree means there's a disagreement or its still open, even if the other person is done - and people like me want to find a common ground or conclusion of sort.

geonsocal · November 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Combat isn't a prize fight, there's no reward for sticking around.

that's kind of part of the point of the thread...once you've raise that hand, said that oath, put on that uniform - some choices are removed...you're committed to being wherever you're told be, doing whatever you're told to be doing...and, some of those situations can be very dire...

yeah, i'm gonna lean very heavily towards what the person with usmc in their ID has to say...

Edit: if it comes down to some difficult knot tying situation, with that eagle scout background - you'll be a beast

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · November 2017

Two black beats, a red belt, a Bachelor’s in Accounting and a Bachelor’s in Business Management.

I spend my life kicking fun in the family jewels. By making Excel Spread Sheets and saving people money.

Hippie4927 · November 2017

lagrue wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Why does every thread have to turn into an argument? Why can't people just stick to the OP's question?

Competitive people, and people who like words: combine those and you'll get arguments about whether water is wet, and what does wet mean exactly? It reminds me of family reunions. My family's full of lawyers and teachers.

Ha, ha! Yeah, I come from a family of people who love to argue. I don't know what happened to me but I'm not into the arguing. I tell my brother "let's just agree to disagree" and he can't do it. And he gets mad when I refuse to continue the argument.

Can't speak for your brother, but I'm similar - it's an angst thing. Agreeing to disagree means there's a disagreement or its still open, even if the other person is done - and people like me want to find a common ground or conclusion of sort.

Sometimes there is no common ground or conclusion.......the argument just goes on and on and on. And, some people don't want to find common ground. They want to be right and they want the other person to admit that they are right. I see it as an ego thing with those people and I won't feed their ego. For me, it makes more sense to walk away.

starkerealm · November 2017

geonsocal wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Combat isn't a prize fight, there's no reward for sticking around.

that's kind of part of the point of the thread...once you've raise that hand, said that oath, put on that uniform - some choices are removed...you're committed to being wherever you're told be, doing whatever you're told to be doing...and, some of those situations can be very dire...

yeah, i'm gonna lean very heavily towards what the person with usmc in their ID has to say

Yeah, in that specific context. But, he was complaining about this in the context of civilian self-defense, and I was responding to someone's macho blithering about how a bunch of legitimate military hand to hand forms were just fluffy garbage.

And, to be fair, I don't really hold anything against usmcjdking, he just wandered in while I was already annoyed with someone else.

geonsocal · November 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Combat isn't a prize fight, there's no reward for sticking around.

that's kind of part of the point of the thread...once you've raise that hand, said that oath, put on that uniform - some choices are removed...you're committed to being wherever you're told be, doing whatever you're told to be doing...and, some of those situations can be very dire...

yeah, i'm gonna lean very heavily towards what the person with usmc in their ID has to say

Yeah, in that specific context. But, he was complaining about this in the context of civilian self-defense, and I was responding to someone's macho blithering about how a bunch of legitimate military hand to hand forms were just fluffy garbage.

And, to be fair, I don't really hold anything against usmcjdking, he just wandered in while I was already annoyed with someone else.

i still remember when i first joined the forums you helped me get my werewolf straightened out - i'll never forget :-)

Biro123 · November 2017

usmcjdking wrote: »

There are only two fighting variants that I will say WILL save your life.

Jiujitsu and Boxing and the 100m sprint. Anything else is a waste of time if you haven't mastered the aformentioned if the goal is to prevent yourself from dying.

Sprint - pretty much... Always have a tree handy to run around

I figure that that since I'll always be reasonable and try to talk my way out of a situation, that anybody who is still gonna attack even though his 'target' is trying to be reasonable is probably the kind of person who also has a friend circling around behind you with a 2x4..

Betsararie · November 2017

Not me that's for sure

Arkangeloski · November 2017

Shotokan, Karate-do. Oss!

starkerealm · November 2017

Arkangeloski wrote: »

Shotokan, Karate-do. Oss!

Yeah, I actually miss my Shotokan Sensei. He was a little... unique at times, but a really great instructor.

lagrue · November 2017

Hippie4927 wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Why does every thread have to turn into an argument? Why can't people just stick to the OP's question?

Competitive people, and people who like words: combine those and you'll get arguments about whether water is wet, and what does wet mean exactly? It reminds me of family reunions. My family's full of lawyers and teachers.

Ha, ha! Yeah, I come from a family of people who love to argue. I don't know what happened to me but I'm not into the arguing. I tell my brother "let's just agree to disagree" and he can't do it. And he gets mad when I refuse to continue the argument.

Can't speak for your brother, but I'm similar - it's an angst thing. Agreeing to disagree means there's a disagreement or its still open, even if the other person is done - and people like me want to find a common ground or conclusion of sort.

Sometimes there is no common ground or conclusion.......the argument just goes on and on and on. And, some people don't want to find common ground. They want to be right and they want the other person to admit that they are right. I see it as an ego thing with those people and I won't feed their ego. For me, it makes more sense to walk away.

This I can understand, we're all wired a bit different ;p

Strider__Roshin · November 2017

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Why does every thread have to turn into an argument? Why can't people just stick to the OP's question?

It seems more like a discussion than an argument to me. The only person that's been abrasive is the anti military guy/gal, but thankfully no one has wasted their breath on that individual

starkerealm · November 2017

Daus wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Why does every thread have to turn into an argument? Why can't people just stick to the OP's question?

It seems more like a discussion than an argument to me. The only person that's been abrasive is the anti military guy/gal, but thankfully no one has wasted their breath on that individual

There's been some... "energetic" debate.

Rainraven · November 2017

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Why does every thread have to turn into an argument? Why can't people just stick to the OP's question?

Competitive people, and people who like words: combine those and you'll get arguments about whether water is wet, and what does wet mean exactly? It reminds me of family reunions. My family's full of lawyers and teachers.

Ha, ha! Yeah, I come from a family of people who love to argue. I don't know what happened to me but I'm not into the arguing. I tell my brother "let's just agree to disagree" and he can't do it. And he gets mad when I refuse to continue the argument.

I hear you. My best, last-ditch self-defense move against relentless argument I discovered by accident at one of those family reunions: interpretive dance.

Yep. That'll kill an argument. At least for a while!

Malic · November 2017

I was born in 1949 and not only am i still prettier than most of you filthy stinking mugs but I am more lethal.

I have perfected the art of "passing gas" Bruce lee used to call me for tips when he had a tough opponent.

Martial artist? I'm the true artist here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ44twMMlyM

Hvzeda · November 2017

Ex-E4 Mafia REMF.

SquareSausage · November 2017

the army prob wont appreciate me given away our defensive tactics but heres a pic of me (blue face) from one of my last engagements, pic was taken by wee jimmy. im now retired (some think im dead), living in spain with a couple of ma old mates from school, we set up a wee pub and run a tattoo studio from the basement.

TheNorthernDragon · November 2017

And so, this thread has turned into a pissing contest. Too bad.

Respect to all the vets.

swippy · November 2017

usmcjdking wrote: »

Former Marine Officer (Private - Captain), California Golden Gloves Champion (1996), California Silver Gloves Champion (1995), National (Region 1) Silver Gloves Champion 1994, Team Alpha Male training assistant and current amateur boxing coach here.

that's so cool! some of my favorite little guys (my size) came through your school!

for me, i play on the heavybag just 45 minutes every night (all 8) but i've never been coached, so anybody with any training would tear me up. kind of a voyeur/masturbator i guess haha

Samadhi · November 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Should have stopped your post after this because you are, again, repeating whatever some youtube sensei needed to say to pay for his monthly car note.

Hardly.

Okay, you want the line straight from back in Scouts? Here you go, "Most of the guys you'll encounter haven't been in a fight since High School." This was coming from a Sheriff's deputy when we were getting H2H training.

Most of the time, when you're dealing with some schmuck in a self defense situation, it's not going to be a trained combatant. They've got no idea what they're doing.
...

Do not quite consider this in line with the 'warrior' theme of the thread
as, to me, a warrior is someone who is able to win against his or her own inner turmoil and recognize fighting to be the worst option
but when it comes down to the wire, expect to rely more on my cane than martial arts training

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9r427P-GBY

am more likely to end up having to use it against a coyote while walking the dogs than against a person,
but it already goes everywhere with me should the need ever arise
just personally do not like the prospect of having to use it as anything other than a walking aide
the idea of exercising violence against someone, even in self defense, is distasteful

XDragonDoomX · November 2017

ex Senior Service (or Royal Navy, for those who have to ask)

AbysmalGhul · November 2017

Did my time for Uncle Sam and learned how to throw my fist in the ring for 6 years

ArchMikem · November 2017

geonsocal wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Uncle Sam won't take me cause I'm an unfit Cancer Survivor.

But I entertained the idea of trying to be a Guardsman once. To try and better my life.

i remember reading a post from a year or so wherein you briefly mentioned some serious health challenges - really good to see you still posting

I've gone past 2 years Cancer free now. But you learn that cheating Death comes at a price. I'm a broken shell of what I used to be. Before my diagnosis I was working freight handling, unloading trucks with the best of em, rolling out two dishwashers on my back at a time and loving the labor. Then I almost died of Cancer, six months of Chemo, a month of Radiation, and now I get winded on a ten minute walk. Dizzy spells come easily. Radiation damaged my Thyroid and I'm Testosterone deficient. I'm pretty much a burden to society now because I survived Cancer. Go me.

But oh yeah, still alive to keep posting here.

SHADOW2KK · November 2017

Ex UK Military, some martial arts..

geonsocal · November 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Uncle Sam won't take me cause I'm an unfit Cancer Survivor.

But I entertained the idea of trying to be a Guardsman once. To try and better my life.

i remember reading a post from a year or so wherein you briefly mentioned some serious health challenges - really good to see you still posting

I've gone past 2 years Cancer free now. But you learn that cheating Death comes at a price. I'm a broken shell of what I used to be. Before my diagnosis I was working freight handling, unloading trucks with the best of em, rolling out two dishwashers on my back at a time and loving the labor. Then I almost died of Cancer, six months of Chemo, a month of Radiation, and now I get winded on a ten minute walk. Dizzy spells come easily. Radiation damaged my Thyroid and I'm Testosterone deficient. I'm pretty much a burden to society now because I survived Cancer. Go me.

But oh yeah, still alive to keep posting here.

howdy @ArchMikem ...thanks for sharing...no, not broken - you're mind is still sharp...

i've had a few health "challenges", one was my thyroid going out while working around nukes - hmmmm, go figure

went about a decade before being correctly diagnosed, quit a good job cuz I thought I was suffering a nervous breakdown, gained about 80 lbs, slept a lot - a whole lot, ended up being out of work for around 4 years...

got diagnosed by a random encounter while on vacation down in mexico...

man was with his two little girls by the pool, kept staring at me, walked over and in simple english said i had a problem with either my kidneys or thyroid, 3 other doctors over the years had missed it...

turns out one of the primary reasons folks don't get hired - are long breaks in employment history...even with a fairly decent resume had to come back to the work force as a temp...

after a few years had worked my way back up in to the rat race, when i started getting panic attacks...first time that happens is a pretty weird experience...finally figured out all I really wanted from life was to be healthy and happy...

you just can't always count on having your health...

things got simpler after I realized that, not necessarily easier, just a lot simpler...

wish you the best...geo

GrigorijMalahevich · November 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Bro, all this “bushido, kenpo, kung fu, win chun, krav maga, systema, aikido” is just “exercise” or “fitness” nothing to do with real fighting or martial arts sports.

Krav Maga and Systema are both practical martial arts. Krav Maga started out as an IDF hand-to-hand form, and Systema is Russian in origin. Those aren't, "exercise," or "fitness." Systema is, "I have a ballpoint pen, and some who needs an involuntary tracheotomy."

Saying that those are flashy or irrelevant is like saying US Marines were trained to be flashy and don't know how to stand in a real fight. Or, you know, that cops don't know how to fight.

Valera Progib wrote: »

Everyony that tries to teach you some “secret techniques” is just liar. You will see once in a liftime in a street fighting someone doing a tornado kick and actually hitting anyone.

For reference? No credible instructor will go out there and couch what they're teaching you as, "secret techniques." Nice strawman, you need help burning it?

Valera Progib wrote: »

If you want to do something proper go and do some boxing (super simple, straightforward and most effective and best time/skill ratio out there) or/and submission wrestling of any kind.

I'll be honest. Unless you're dealing with someone who literally does not know how to fight, boxing is worthless. Most wrestling you'd get training in is a close second. Even some of the stuff you look at as worthless, like recreational Aikido can safely neutralize a boxer or wrestler.

Valera Progib wrote: »

Fancy names and claims are usually a mask for being useless. People doing fake martial arts usually quit after first fight...

For example, people who thing Boxing is a martial art, and not a competition sport, with very strict rules that simply don't apply when you've taken a boot to the shin.

Also, fun to remember that sometimes those "fancy names," are just, you know, normal names, that aren't in English.

Valera Progib wrote: »

Don’t get me wrong, there are loads of really effective martial arts: kudo, kyuokushin karate, boxing, thai boxing, judo, wrestling, ***, brazilian jiu jutsu etc. You can also check how many UFC fighters have krav maga background or “shaolin kung fu” (this one is just ridiculously funny).

I wouldn't recommend learning Karate unless your goal is to fend off Samurai in 18th century Okinawa. It has applications, and you can take the stuff you learn there elsewhere, but it was very specifically designed to counter a lot of the contemporary Japanese martial training. Hell, one of the first strikes you learn in Karate is, specifically, designed to neutralize drawing a Katana. Go for the thigh? Yeah, right. You're blocking their arm movement.

Judo works. Modern police hand-to-hand in the US is based heavily off of Judo. It's not really the same martial art anymore, and simply saying, "yeah, take Judo classes," isn't going to have great results. But, it's a good foundation to build from.

Valera Progib wrote: »

Just imho with some common sense.

Okay, here's some actual common sense. Don't train to win a fight. No, really. You're not in an arena. This isn't a competition. No points awarded for putting on a good show. Train to either create an opening and get out, or to neutralize your attacker. Boxing will not do that. You'll just flail at someone in a vain desire to bloody them up, and then wonder how that "worthless Aikido" guy tossed you around like a rag doll.

Here's some less common sense that's worth knowing, but I suspect you don't understand:

Many martial arts exist with both practical and recreational variants. This is especially true of stuff like Judo, or Taikwando, where there are practical versions that will turn your average opponent into paste. There are also a lot of schools that teach variants as a recreational exercise.

Krav Maga is headed this way. The civilian variant lags about 15 years behind the military one, and is rapidly turning into a far more family friendly martial art that you can train kids in without needing to worry about liability. At the same time, the practical version is continuing to be updated, and it's out there. You're not going to find it, as frequently, in the yellow pages, but the IDF is still using it.

When a martial art has both variants, these are different martial arts. They look similar, they may sound similar, they'll have the same terminology. One of them is an immediate threat that can end your life, the other one is what you're mocking. Understanding that these things can, actually, kill you, is a good start to backing off, calming down, and not throwing up such an aggressive front, before wondering how they fractured your arm.

“Reactional aikido” neutralising a boxer - that must be the stupidest thing I have seen in my life. If you honestly think that Aikido is ANyWHERE effective you should get a reality check. About 15 years ago I had went to a mixed summercamp with ***/aikido and oh boi the laughs we had when people with 7 years aikido experience spent 99% time of sparrings on the floor thinking why their techniques are not working...

Systema is “magic” and was never taught in any Russin military it is a blatant lie.

Deadly martial arts do not exist. Kick someone in the groin is not deadly it is just low. Preassure points do not exist.

If you are from UK I will be super happy to prove my words against your aikido masters. Continuing this conversation here is just stupid. I am ready to prove my words, are you ready to prove yours?

ArchMikem · November 2017

geonsocal wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Uncle Sam won't take me cause I'm an unfit Cancer Survivor.

But I entertained the idea of trying to be a Guardsman once. To try and better my life.

i remember reading a post from a year or so wherein you briefly mentioned some serious health challenges - really good to see you still posting

I've gone past 2 years Cancer free now. But you learn that cheating Death comes at a price. I'm a broken shell of what I used to be. Before my diagnosis I was working freight handling, unloading trucks with the best of em, rolling out two dishwashers on my back at a time and loving the labor. Then I almost died of Cancer, six months of Chemo, a month of Radiation, and now I get winded on a ten minute walk. Dizzy spells come easily. Radiation damaged my Thyroid and I'm Testosterone deficient. I'm pretty much a burden to society now because I survived Cancer. Go me.

But oh yeah, still alive to keep posting here.

howdy @ArchMikem ...thanks for sharing...no, not broken - you're mind is still sharp...

i've had a few health "challenges", one was my thyroid going out while working around nukes - hmmmm, go figure

went about a decade before being correctly diagnosed, quit a good job cuz I thought I was suffering a nervous breakdown, gained about 80 lbs, slept a lot - a whole lot, ended up being out of work for around 4 years...

Yyyyup, sounds like a damaged underactive Thyroid alright, though it hit you a lot harder than me, I gained about 20lbs before I was diagnosed and put on Levothyroxine permanently.

But Jesus you worked with Nuclear Bombs? I'm assuming through the Air Force right? If you actually got exposed to Radiation during your work I'd think you'd be entitled to reparation.

GrigorijMalahevich · November 2017

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

I'll be honest. Unless you're dealing with someone who literally does not know how to fight, boxing is worthless. Most wrestling you'd get training in is a close second. Even some of the stuff you look at as worthless, like recreational Aikido can safely neutralize a boxer or wrestler.

For example, people who thing Boxing is a martial art, and not a competition sport, with very strict rules that simply don't apply when you've taken a boot to the shin.

Do you ACTUALLY believe this...?

I know it.

Boxing is specifically designed, and has evolved for a competition environment.

Actual combat is not about a fairly adjudicated arena. Boxing, actually does set, false goals for the user. And, they actually do approach live combat like they're in the ring.

Beyond that, it is an incredibly limited form. It cannot deal with opponents who redirect your inertia (so, Aikdio, or Judo), it can't deal with opponents who focus on ground fighting (Judo, again), it can't deal with martial styles that focus on range (like Taikwando.) In short, it's only really useful when you're facing off against someone who does not know what they're doing.

Have you done any Boxing or Muay Thai?

Boxing cant deal with Taikwando?

I am speechless tbh. I think it's best if i delete my account.

Exactly. Boxing will dominate taekwando. Person arguing otherwise needs a reality check. Boxing is the most straightforward and effective form of self defense in the world. 1x1 it will get dominated by grappling arts, but nonetheless it is the most effective.