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Remove CP from battlegrounds
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haakira✭✭✭There's actually things that, in my perspective, should have priority in fixing than CP.
The lag, the delay in breaking free when you get stunned/feared, still getting hit while in dodge roll, abilities that bug out. These things will kill you WAY faster in battle than you not being max CP.
I'm at 470CP and although there is a 5-10% difference in power to a max CP player, the majority of the time that's not what gets me killed. In a game with a fast pace, when you get focused by 2-3 players, all those things become so much more essential to work, than the extra defenses you would've had in CP.
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Tormy✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that0 -
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✭✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.0 -
ShadowMole25✭✭✭Wait weren't you people begging for CP Battlegrounds a few months, say that you hated No-CP Battlegrounds?Wanders-Many-Rivers: EP Argonian Scout
Heals-In-Rivers: EP Argonian Healer
Roams-Many-Rivers EP Argonian Assassin
Shadow the Mole EP Breton Vampire Pirate Lord Assassin
Selena Renach EP Breton Witch
Ardlin Elmbranch EP Bosmer Runic Archeologist
Starfi Ice-Winter EP Nord Eccentric Unkillable Nuisance
Malthman the Heavy EP Nord Delayed Healer0 -
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✭✭✭✭ShadowMole25 wrote: »Wait weren't you people begging for CP Battlegrounds a few months, say that you hated No-CP Battlegrounds?
Obviously there's people in each band wagon. I personally prefer CP because of Proc sets, but they really need to stop the all or nothing approach.1 -
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✭ShadowMole25 wrote: »Wait weren't you people begging for CP Battlegrounds a few months, say that you hated No-CP Battlegrounds?
Obviously there's people in each band wagon. I personally prefer CP because of Proc sets, but they really need to stop the all or nothing approach.
Proc sets, really?
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haakira✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
I'm not sure who you're fighting but that will only "MAYBE" kill people with green armor without any impenetrable.
That combo with those sets (which don't have a lot of damage either) will not kill any minimum pvp geared character. And yes, I do have a magicka DK which I pvp with from time to time.Edited by haakira on November 6, 2017 1:43PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »ShadowMole25 wrote: »Wait weren't you people begging for CP Battlegrounds a few months, say that you hated No-CP Battlegrounds?
Obviously there's people in each band wagon. I personally prefer CP because of Proc sets, but they really need to stop the all or nothing approach.
Proc sets, really?
Yeah really.0 -
klink012✭✭✭Pvp died along time ago. 1 cyro campaign that's full (with 1/4th the population cap it used to be). ESO won't change directions in a good way until there's management change and or the cash shop stops pulling in all the $$$ from you suckers.0
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Tormy✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
That isn't killing anybody lol1 -
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✭✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
I'm not sure who you're fighting but that will only "MAYBE" kill people with green armor without any impenetrable.
That combo with those sets (which don't have a lot of damage either) will not kill any minimum pvp geared character. And yes, I do have a magicka DK which I pvp with from time to time.WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
That isn't killing anybody lol
There's a reason why I specifically said "most". No, it's not going to kill someone wearing heavy (which you'll find most competitive players wearing), nor will you kill any talented player with that combo, but that combo does kill around 70% of the players out there. Didn't realize I needed to hand feed you an explanation.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
Haha. Hahahahahahaha. Hahahahhahahahaha.
Forgive my rudeness but I can't sit back and let someone get away with saying something so crazy...
CP are intrinsically balanced by the fact that ANYONE can have 690 of them, just like everyone one else. If you don't have 690 CP, what the heck are you whining about? Go grind them, it's easier and quicker than the old VR1 to VR12 grind.
What is so hard to understand?#CAREBEARMASTERRACE2 -
haakira✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
I'm not sure who you're fighting but that will only "MAYBE" kill people with green armor without any impenetrable.
That combo with those sets (which don't have a lot of damage either) will not kill any minimum pvp geared character. And yes, I do have a magicka DK which I pvp with from time to time.WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
That isn't killing anybody lol
There's a reason why I specifically said "most". No, it's not going to kill someone wearing heavy (which you'll find most competitive players wearing), nor will you kill any talented player with that combo, but that combo does kill around 70% of the players out there. Didn't realize I needed to hand feed you an explanation.
It's a solid opener and the sets you're running are a good setup. I just found it a little bit over the top for a "3 hit kill combo" when a lot of times It's hard to finish off people even doing power lash + flames of oblivion + leap hitting and critting at the same time.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
Lol oh really? And let me guess, Nightblades are OP, and magicka needs a buff. Amirite?
That's actually true.
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✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
Lol oh really? And let me guess, Nightblades are OP, and magicka needs a buff. Amirite?
That's actually true.
Oh I figured you'd say that. Your previous post was quite revealing. That's a common thought process among bad players 0 -
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✭✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
I'm not sure who you're fighting but that will only "MAYBE" kill people with green armor without any impenetrable.
That combo with those sets (which don't have a lot of damage either) will not kill any minimum pvp geared character. And yes, I do have a magicka DK which I pvp with from time to time.WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
That isn't killing anybody lol
There's a reason why I specifically said "most". No, it's not going to kill someone wearing heavy (which you'll find most competitive players wearing), nor will you kill any talented player with that combo, but that combo does kill around 70% of the players out there. Didn't realize I needed to hand feed you an explanation.
It's a solid opener and the sets you're running are a good setup. I just found it a little bit over the top for a "3 hit kill combo" when a lot of times It's hard to finish off people even doing power lash + flames of oblivion + leap hitting and critting at the same time.
It's hard finishing off really good players, but really that's how it is in most cases unless you're using Soul Assault against a medium armoured opponent. They're free AP with that move (which is why I back bar it). But no, if you're fighting a good player wearing light or heavy, you'll need to start stacking DoTs, and wait for leap to be available in order to outplay them.0 -
Tormy✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
I'm not sure who you're fighting but that will only "MAYBE" kill people with green armor without any impenetrable.
That combo with those sets (which don't have a lot of damage either) will not kill any minimum pvp geared character. And yes, I do have a magicka DK which I pvp with from time to time.WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
That isn't killing anybody lol
There's a reason why I specifically said "most". No, it's not going to kill someone wearing heavy (which you'll find most competitive players wearing), nor will you kill any talented player with that combo, but that combo does kill around 70% of the players out there. Didn't realize I needed to hand feed you an explanation.
Your argument that mag dk is fine because you can "3-shot majority of players" is kinda weak when it only applies to non talented players. The 70% of players you mention that are dying to this combo are gonna die to my stam dk spamming dizzy swing also!0 -
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✭✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
I'm not sure who you're fighting but that will only "MAYBE" kill people with green armor without any impenetrable.
That combo with those sets (which don't have a lot of damage either) will not kill any minimum pvp geared character. And yes, I do have a magicka DK which I pvp with from time to time.WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
That isn't killing anybody lol
There's a reason why I specifically said "most". No, it's not going to kill someone wearing heavy (which you'll find most competitive players wearing), nor will you kill any talented player with that combo, but that combo does kill around 70% of the players out there. Didn't realize I needed to hand feed you an explanation.
Your argument that mag dk is fine because you can "3-shot majority of players" is kinda weak when it only applies to non talented players. The 70% of players you mention that are dying to this combo are gonna die to my stam dk spamming dizzy swing also!
They're more than fine. And you won't kill anyone with dizzying swing since it's the easiest move in the game to avoid. See what I did there?0 -
Tormy✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
I'm not sure who you're fighting but that will only "MAYBE" kill people with green armor without any impenetrable.
That combo with those sets (which don't have a lot of damage either) will not kill any minimum pvp geared character. And yes, I do have a magicka DK which I pvp with from time to time.WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Lol you're joking. I can three shot the majority of players in this game without an ultimate on my magDK. I find medium armor stamDK to be much more difficult to be successful with in PvP.
I'd like to see that
Empowering Chains to your opponent then hit Stone Fist for the knockdown, then whip, power lash, and your opponent is dead. I run 5 light, 2 heavy, and I DW/SnB. My build is 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate, and 1 Chuden. You're welcome.
That isn't killing anybody lol
There's a reason why I specifically said "most". No, it's not going to kill someone wearing heavy (which you'll find most competitive players wearing), nor will you kill any talented player with that combo, but that combo does kill around 70% of the players out there. Didn't realize I needed to hand feed you an explanation.
Your argument that mag dk is fine because you can "3-shot majority of players" is kinda weak when it only applies to non talented players. The 70% of players you mention that are dying to this combo are gonna die to my stam dk spamming dizzy swing also!
They're more than fine. And you won't kill anyone with dizzying swing since it's the easiest move in the game to avoid. See what I did there?
70% of players killed by your combo are 75% more likely to die to dizzy swing spam by my stam Dk 100% of the time. Good talk, much constructive.Edited by Tormy on November 6, 2017 3:15PM0 -
del9✭✭✭✭ShadowMole25 wrote: »Wait weren't you people begging for CP Battlegrounds a few months, say that you hated No-CP Battlegrounds?
Obviously there's people in each band wagon. I personally prefer CP because of Proc sets, but they really need to stop the all or nothing approach.
Aren't you the one that posted saying you leave every non-DM, and you never get DM? It sounds like your opinion of BGs is not really relevant, yet you are spamming this thread. Stop leaving BGs.PCNA0 -
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✭✭✭✭ShadowMole25 wrote: »Wait weren't you people begging for CP Battlegrounds a few months, say that you hated No-CP Battlegrounds?
Obviously there's people in each band wagon. I personally prefer CP because of Proc sets, but they really need to stop the all or nothing approach.
Aren't you the one that posted saying you leave every non-DM, and you never get DM? It sounds like your opinion of BGs is not really relevant, yet you are spamming this thread. Stop leaving BGs.
No. It's my time, and I do what I want with it. I probably end up doing maybe 1 or 2 BGs a week, but I queue for BG once or twice a day.
Also I'm primarily responding to posts that quote me in this thread. Kind of like what you just did in order to merit this response.1 -
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✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Can we show some love to MagDK in PvP? Current hard-mode of ESO
Hahahahahaha good one! Hahaha1 -
CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »ShadowMole25 wrote: »Wait weren't you people begging for CP Battlegrounds a few months, say that you hated No-CP Battlegrounds?
Obviously there's people in each band wagon. I personally prefer CP because of Proc sets, but they really need to stop the all or nothing approach.
Proc sets, really?
Yeah really.
Proc sets haven't been a problem in no cp since the nerf to viper, the most you'll see is skoria so I'm curious about how much no cp you actually played.
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Serjustin19✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
I agree, however most I know. Grind to max CP, then stop playing the game :'(Formerly Serjustin19, Save for Forum Of Course.... Fiery_Darkness (PC NA) currently.0 -
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✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »ShadowMole25 wrote: »Wait weren't you people begging for CP Battlegrounds a few months, say that you hated No-CP Battlegrounds?
Obviously there's people in each band wagon. I personally prefer CP because of Proc sets, but they really need to stop the all or nothing approach.
Proc sets, really?
Yeah really.
Proc sets haven't been a problem in no cp since the nerf to viper, the most you'll see is skoria so I'm curious about how much no cp you actually played.
I see on average 3 proc set users every time I participate in battlegrounds. And they're usually one of the following: Grothdar, Skoria, and Selene. Proc sets are still a problem, but I guess the whining from the community has died down because now it's primarily magicka players using them.0 -
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✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »ShadowMole25 wrote: »Wait weren't you people begging for CP Battlegrounds a few months, say that you hated No-CP Battlegrounds?
Obviously there's people in each band wagon. I personally prefer CP because of Proc sets, but they really need to stop the all or nothing approach.
Proc sets, really?
Yeah really.
Proc sets haven't been a problem in no cp since the nerf to viper, the most you'll see is skoria so I'm curious about how much no cp you actually played.
I see on average 3 proc set users every time I participate in battlegrounds. And they're usually one of the following: Grothdar, Skoria, and Selene. Proc sets are still a problem, but I guess the whining from the community has died down because now it's primarily magicka players using them.
Someone using procs doesn't equate to them being a problem, out of all the one's you mentioned skoria is the only one that needs tweaking still, plus stam took proc sets to a different level.
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✭✭At this point in the game its not the CP that are unbalanced, its certain builds that are. 690 to 690, the issue in the fight is not CP...it would be ur opponents build and skill level. I have personally seen a stamplar get 18 kills and zero deaths in a deathmatch round...it was not a premade, he solo Qed. Why couldnt 8 other players kill him? Maybe they werent 690cp, maybe their builds were not perfected, maybe they suck. I have fought that same player in a duel with his same build and lost 2, but won 1 duel against him. All were very close. If a player is running circles around you in a battle ground its not him thats unbalanced, its that you suck.
CP is in fact balanced...everyone has access to it, everyone can reach max CP reletively quickly. Its funny how players consider CP to be a crutch when the same could be said for *** players using no CP as a crutch in dealing with very skilled players. If you want a game where you can play in completely level playing fields, where only player skill is a factor, go play heroes of the storm, or LoL, or WoW, or the plethora of other games that do not allow you to finely tune you characters stats and dont allow you to theorycraft.
No CP has an identical amount of issues regarding balance that CP battlegrounds have. If you think otherwise you do not understand the game. Go out there, farm CP, stop bitching, and build your character properly, play for a bit then come back and lets chat about how much you still cant beat other players. Maybe youtube builds will help you. CP or not i do not care, ill still whoop ass and players will still complain about how unbalanced somthing is. Ive lost duels to every DPS spec and class, ive also won against the same DPS specs and classes...equal CP...unbalanced when i lose but not when i win? No
CP aren't balanced. One can make an argument that ZOS is balancing other stuff with CP in mind. But at the same time, there are a lot of things that only become really broken with CP, so I don't really value that argument very highly.
The CP system itself however, is absolutely not balanced. And no, it's not accessibility that decides whether it is or not, although a tilted playing field due to varying CP levels is indeed an issue in itself, unlike you seem to think.
I would also like to think I understand the game pretty well and I most certainly am not using it as a crutch to deal with more skilled players (lol). The thing is that non CP gameplay is far less forgiving, so players can survive situations in CP enabled PvP easily in which they would have died in non CP. That's pretty much the definition of a crutch. Whereas if someone actually beats a "very skilled player" in non CP... maybe that player actually wasn't so much more skilled after all?DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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Eldar_Ftw✭✭CP isn't balanced, ether you're daft or blind. 660 vs 690 might not see more than a 5% difference but a 100-590 cp player vs a 660/690 player will see a good 10%-20% + difference in dmg, damage reduction and resource management.
That by definition is NOT BALANCED, not even remotely close. It's not even about skill when you have such a high edge vs someone who literally has 150+ less cp points per tree than you.2 -
Aziah✭✭I'd be cool with them just adding the option for non-CP or tiered-CP Battlegrounds. And just as a side note, I never understood the argument for CP AvA and BGs somehow requiring more skill than non-CP zones. Quite frankly, a 690-CP player should always defeat or tie with even a 490-CP player unless the latter is simply more talented or has a build that counters the former's. (This is certainly what's happening in the case of anyone who thinks CP doesn't make "that much of a difference." 490 to 690 CP is a pure and significant stat boost comparable to the difference between all blue and gold gear; not that hard to figure out uneven CP will invariably be enough to tilt the odds unless you're trying to justify losing to lowbies.)
If anything, the average PvP encounter in non-CP zones is probably far more difficult for max-CP players as in CP zones you're bashing lowbies most of the time. It's not a question of whether even-CP fights are less balanced than non-CP ones, but whether the fact that heavily uneven encounters in CP AvA and BGs are often decided by CPs makes them less fulfilling and fun for both parties. Have some options for those of us who want to better isolate skill in combat, new players who quit the game a few months in after failing to keep up in AvA and BGs, people who don't like CPs, etc.Edited by Aziah on November 6, 2017 9:47PM2
