I'm very casual, co 400. If I want a challenge I'll go to cyrodiil or do a vet dungeon. It's nice to take a break and chill and do quests or explore

Also nice to be able to make a new toon and jump into a new dlc to lvl up.

seedubsrun wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Translation: WAAAAH! WAAAAH! MAKE IT HARDER!

You cite MMO's that make things harder at high levels. Go play them. This game is not equipped to make difficulty fun.
And I've never understood the players who simply want this game to conform to they're interests.

The overland content being hard is what drove players away in the beginning. Wonder what'll happen if it happens again? OH WAIT.

Wow someone who complains about complaining. How refreshing. Ignore this one OP. There are plenty of people and several somewhat recent posts sharing your concern. There's been many suggestions, a lot of them good, on how Zos could approach this. They usually come down to "would be a waste of time and money" (To which I say, giving players more out of the existing content is likely a money saver in reality and a good ass idea) or "Zos wont bother with it" (To which I'd say, I hope that's not true but probably is)

I'd like to see it happen but be optional. More like a normal/Vet toggle in some way. I feel as the CP cap increases the difficulty of overland and questing will get easier and easier until new expansions granting new locations will be very boring to play through. I haven't finished the last 3 content expansions because of this. I guess we'll see what they do.

^^^^^^^^^

I think the best solution is a normal/vet toggle for the overland with risk vs reward.

The problem isnt the problem. Your attitude towards the problem is the real problem.

ESO is a casual game. The content in this game is very easy compared to other MMOs. This statement holds for most dungeons and trials as well. The combat is fun and (kind of)fast paced, however, the DPS rotations in ESO are super simple and easy to pick up/execute when compared to other MMOs.

I’m not saying this to bash ESO but it is the truth. Just know that if you want a solo challenge you likely will not find it here.

I would really enjoy having some harder difficulty solo content.
I'm finding it increasingly difficult to remain interested in a quest when I'm just going to X to do/get Y and bring it back whilst pretty much one-hitting everything in my path.

There needs to be deeper, more thought-out mechanics with quests that don't necessarily have to make it harder just something that makes us players think more about our decisions, the knock-on effects of aforementioned decisions or maybe even small scale puzzles to keep us invested and feel like our 'quest' is actually a quest rather than just assuming the NPC quest-giver is being lazy when they don't wanna go into a barn and kill some pathetic wolves.

The way I feel it, each subsequent dlc will either be staying at the same level of "difficulty" or be easier. I'd say we're pretty close to a "press this big red button for all the mobs in the zone to drop dead" at this point The mobs aren't there for the challenge, they're just there for a timesink in this very pretty graphical novel - that's how I look at it when I quest, anyway.

I like One Tam removing level and questline requirement. I think it's fun that you can start wherever you want, that if a new player is exceptionally interested in dunmer culture and Vvardenfell specifically they won't have to slog through AD territories in order to get there. Artificially "prolonging" content by locking it behind questlines and levels is imo silly, it's not really helping the longevity in the long run.

I do much rather wish they'd introduce more challenging zones like Craglorn once was(not necessarily group oriented, simply more challenging, where not paying attention in open world actually gets you killed) - not "you gotta have X cp to enter/surive" but more like "you gotta understand how the game works and pay attention to survive". However, it's clear as day it's never going to happen because of 1)sheer amount of people who want everything and want it now, the concept of having to spend some time leveling/farming gear/learning their class in order to be able to complete something equals death to them 2)the overwhelming laziness of Zenimax' which continues to encourage the behaviour in 1.

You can't fundamentally change people but by encouraging certain kinds of behaviour you can teach them things. It'd take time, effort, communication and resources but result in a much more stable and grateful audience overall, but that's not the route ZOS want to take. Their route is more along the lines of luring people in, catering to new players as much as possible(which in their interpretation revolves around bringing content to down to level 3 "this-is-my-first-mmo-how-do-I-use-skills" level rather than teaching those new players how the game actually works), luring them into buying Crown Crates, then as far as Zenimax is concerned they can gtfo as newer people get in. They're not interested in communicating with their audience, in building stable constructive relationships with it. They're not interested in people's progression - it doesn't directly bring them money. They'll just keep bandaiding the loudest issues to minimize the damage coming from this attitude and keep relying on the flow of new players to keep the game afloat. Which once again means they have absolutely zero interest in any open world content where monsters would be impossible to kill with 2 heavy attacks for a new player. I find it sad because I feel the game could've had so much (more) potential had they chosen the other route but that's just me.

thatlaurachick wrote: »

If you want a more diffcult overland, make a new toon, don't allocate CP, and run around naked. Too challening? Only equip what you find. Variable difficulty right there.

I think its unreasonable for us to have to adapt our playstyles to achieve the goal of having harder content, they can simply have smarter AI, enemies that level or react differently to different players based on their level, skills , and CP... They could go so far as to make this kind of change revertible at the flick of a switch via the in-game options menu.

thatlaurachick wrote: »

It's an MMO, not single player. For every player who wants super hard content at max CP with uber armor and perks, there are far more who don't have a set build, don't care to have one, and/or don't want a harder overland.
They have just as much right to play the game as you. If you want things harder, make them harder. If you want a game that lets you be you without having to care for others... go play a single player game. I hear Dark Souls is still hard.

I don't think you've read my post correctly... I haven't disputed whether its an MMO or single player game, nor have I said that this change should be implemented game-wide for everyone which you can see from my aforementioned post... I just think that having an option there for players that would like to have increased difficulty factored into the overland zones should have the option there for them.

I am not saying it should be a compulsory change, nor am I saying 'Oh its a single player game, everyone else can suck it up.'

I will never understand this (relatively) new obsession with having games become so frustratingly difficult that you risk giving yourself a stroke just trying to get the smallest thing accomplished...

When I say this, I mean; there's this group of people, who think that every bit of a game needs to be so difficult, that you're constantly banging your head against a wall and frustration raging across your living room.

Why?

If you want you games to have the difficulty of Dark Souls, dipped in Meth, then given an advanced case of rabies... there's games designed specifically for that. Why is there this campaign to make -EVERY- game difficult like this?!?

The Gamers who're proactively arguing for this... you -MUST- realize that you're in the vast minority on this right? I mean, you're the niche-inside-of-a-niche in the genre.

Why argue to have the game ruined for 99.99% of players, just so you can have a rage-stroke because a game is made that damn difficult?

There are many games where overland content required a group or mucho solo skill to be in. I think that ideology has gone away because the market became saturated, and too competitive to release games like that anymore. It may have cost less to make and keep raising the bar, but eventually player communities die off because of it. It becomes too much to catch up. Even if you stopped playing for only a couple months or longer.

While I understand the need to keep new players coming, I agree with the OP that once you hit CP160, your not going to be challenged by very much in the game solo wise, and as CP cap is raised it's just going to continue that way. IMO content such as DLC's should be challenging in that fashion. Under a certain "grey area" CP level, you could need/want a group to do that new content. But as you get closer to the cap it becomes more and more soloable, and could be made to still be a bit more challenging than things are like today.

Dorjee wrote: »

But, in ESO, because of the One Tamriel update – Morrowind’s solo content is not really challenging for those that are 160CP or above, which I feel takes some of the enjoyment out of playing.

Your opinion. Some people dont require "Ultra Violence" difficulty to enjoy a game and in fact when you are making a game that should appeal to the masses, it is industry standard and good ethical practice to build for the majority. The phrase: "youre only as good as the weakest player" rings true here.

Dorjee wrote: »

ESO is the only MMO that I know of where a level one newbie can jump right into the new content of an expansion and start playing (save for those MMOs that offer level boosts).
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you dont say!!! This statement right here along with Any Armor Weight, Any Weapon, Any Class, Any Role make ESO truly unique and special in today's market. And it should stay that way.

ZOS has a certain difficulty level that they are comfortable with. I wouldn't worry about CP inflation ever affecting that number. If players ever become more powerful than ZOS wants, they will simply nerf them again so they are back to where they want you to be. There is no character advancement anymore and the Morrowind update is the proof of that. Players got too powerful and were put back in their place. It was done then and will be done again. Make no mistake. We are at the point where players actually got LESS powerful compared to the content. This is the opposite effect compared to what the OP suggests.

ZOS also has the CP very front loaded right now. At a certain point, you hit diminishing returns so hard that you gain very little from the extra 30 CP you get every update. This is on purpose to make players think they are advancing but really, you're staying in place on the treadmill. A clever trick that isn't hidden very well. Mathematically challenged players will never notice and that is the majority of their audience.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I will never understand this (relatively) new obsession with having games become so frustratingly difficult that you risk giving yourself a stroke just trying to get the smallest thing accomplished...

When I say this, I mean; there's this group of people, who think that every bit of a game needs to be so difficult, that you're constantly banging your head against a wall and frustration raging across your living room.

Why?

If you want you games to have the difficulty of Dark Souls, dipped in Meth, then given an advanced case of rabies... there's games designed specifically for that. Why is there this campaign to make -EVERY- game difficult like this?!?

The Gamers who're proactively arguing for this... you -MUST- realize that you're in the vast minority on this right? I mean, you're the niche-inside-of-a-niche in the genre.

Why argue to have the game ruined for 99.99% of players, just so you can have a rage-stroke because a game is made that damn difficult?

hipster like gate keeping. it used to be that very few people played video games, relatively speaking. so those that did sometimes felt like a part of this exclusive hobby. nowadays though - gaming is pretty mainstream. anyone and everyone can and does enjoy video games. they are no longer unique or exclusive. the only way to get that back? is to make games unplayable for "all these filthy casuals who are not even real gamers anyway".

anyways, to expand on the whole "how dare they be able to go into expansion content!" idea. aside from the fact that both of the games mentioned in OP - offer a level boost that is complete with a full gear set allowing anyone who just bought the game, even if they have never leveled through original game - to acess expansion, the beauty, the uniqueness of ESO is that its genuinely truly open. GW2 kinda has some of that, as older zones are still relevant even if you are max level, due to level scaling, but ESO gives you even more freedom. and that is a GOOD thing. this sort of open freedom is a hallmark of Elder scrolls games. its what was missing at launch.

Linaleah wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I will never understand this (relatively) new obsession with having games become so frustratingly difficult that you risk giving yourself a stroke just trying to get the smallest thing accomplished...

When I say this, I mean; there's this group of people, who think that every bit of a game needs to be so difficult, that you're constantly banging your head against a wall and frustration raging across your living room.

Why?

If you want you games to have the difficulty of Dark Souls, dipped in Meth, then given an advanced case of rabies... there's games designed specifically for that. Why is there this campaign to make -EVERY- game difficult like this?!?

The Gamers who're proactively arguing for this... you -MUST- realize that you're in the vast minority on this right? I mean, you're the niche-inside-of-a-niche in the genre.

Why argue to have the game ruined for 99.99% of players, just so you can have a rage-stroke because a game is made that damn difficult?

hipster like gate keeping. it used to be that very few people played video games, relatively speaking. so those that did sometimes felt like a part of this exclusive hobby. nowadays though - gaming is pretty mainstream. anyone and everyone can and does enjoy video games. they are no longer unique or exclusive. the only way to get that back? is to make games unplayable for "all these filthy casuals who are not even real gamers anyway".

anyways, to expand on the whole "how dare they be able to go into expansion content!" idea. aside from the fact that both of the games mentioned in OP - offer a level boost that is complete with a full gear set allowing anyone who just bought the game, even if they have never leveled through original game - to acess expansion, the beauty, the uniqueness of ESO is that its genuinely truly open. GW2 kinda has some of that, as older zones are still relevant even if you are max level, due to level scaling, but ESO gives you even more freedom. and that is a GOOD thing. this sort of open freedom is a hallmark of Elder scrolls games. its what was missing at launch.

Oh, I agree.

Like some of the other Gamers on here, I've been gaming for 30+ years.

I distinctly remember when being a "Gamer" wasn't even a coined term yet, and to publicly admit that you played "vidya games" immediately made you an outcast with the other Geeks/Nerds.

I remember cutting my teeth on the original MMO's (Asheron's Call, EverQuest, Ultima Online), and the old BBS boards before that.

Even with that long-ass Gaming history, this elitist-hipster-gate-keeping, and wanting to return Gaming back to that time where it was a small, niche community, will only hurt the industry they profess to "love" in the end if their desires become reality.

And I agree with your One Tamriel comparison with other MMORPG's on the market right now.

The fact that the game is truly wide-open, even from the very start of the game, is a freedom that other MMO's struggle to match, and most don't even try (though several of them are currently working on changes to make their various exploratory Zones much more open-world, and Player-friendly). Is the game a bit easier by comparison? Sure. But when you're cruising around at even 200+ CP, even with the game scaling to the individual Player, there's going to be a lot of content that is no longer much of a challenge, just like the overland world should be.

If I want a challenge, I'll go Solo a Public Dungeon (including the Champions and the Boss(es)). That's content that has a "difficulty-decision-wall" before you can experience it, meaning; the content is tougher by nature, and scales more harshly for that content, thus a decision must be made by the Player to take on that content.

But the overland Open World should never have the type of difficulty that the OP desires.

If the Video Game industry ever goes back to that type of punishing difficulty, they can kiss their profits goodbye. Because game populations would shred themselves to a fraction of what they are today, overnight.