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It is totally Unfair ZOS
Jigger_allard
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It is totally unfair how you....ZOS....continue to morph the SORCs, because of a few crybabies who cannot compete with them in PvP: Because they don't want to put the time and effort into building their Toon in order to compete like the SORCs have.
I wasn't satisfied with my Breton Magicka SORC despite the fact that she was at CP260 and dressed in 5 pieces of Julianos; 5 pieces of Necropotence and the SlimeClaw Monster Helm/ Shoulder. I wasn't satisfied because she was still too damn squishy and her health and DPS was terrible.
As a result, I created another Toon, a High Elf Magicka SORC this time. Low and behold she had better health, stamina, and DPS. So, while I brought her up through the low levels her health after consuming food was up around 18,000 t0 20,000. And now, having reached CP260 my High Elf Magicka SORC's health has fallen to 17,000 even after coming food. What is the heck up with that ZOS? (I also replaced her crappy armor and staffs with those from my Breton--- the 5 pieces of Julianos; 5 pieces of Necropotence and the SlimeClaw Monster Helm/ Shoulder.)
"Oh, that's right! It's the player's fault. I keep forgetting. Sorry!?!"
Okay, so now let's hear it? Thank you.
I wasn't satisfied with my Breton Magicka SORC despite the fact that she was at CP260 and dressed in 5 pieces of Julianos; 5 pieces of Necropotence and the SlimeClaw Monster Helm/ Shoulder. I wasn't satisfied because she was still too damn squishy and her health and DPS was terrible.
As a result, I created another Toon, a High Elf Magicka SORC this time. Low and behold she had better health, stamina, and DPS. So, while I brought her up through the low levels her health after consuming food was up around 18,000 t0 20,000. And now, having reached CP260 my High Elf Magicka SORC's health has fallen to 17,000 even after coming food. What is the heck up with that ZOS? (I also replaced her crappy armor and staffs with those from my Breton--- the 5 pieces of Julianos; 5 pieces of Necropotence and the SlimeClaw Monster Helm/ Shoulder.)
"Oh, that's right! It's the player's fault. I keep forgetting. Sorry!?!"
Okay, so now let's hear it? Thank you.
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I_killed_Vivec✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I believe "Boo hoo" is the appropriate response
(MagDK, CP well beyond cap, health with food 17.5k).26 -
rhapsodious✭✭✭✭✭
✭1. Are you wearing CP160 gear? Because lower levels have scaled resources to counteract the lack of CP. So even if you're wearing level-appropriate gear, going from 49 to 50 will usually result in a resource loss (which you can generally make up by allocating CP).
2. Are you using shields? You shouldn't be squishy with shields.
3. This I'm just curious on, why are you capitalizing sorc?6 -
Jigger_allard✭✭✭rhapsodious wrote: »1. Are you wearing CP160 gear? Because lower levels have scaled resources to counteract the lack of CP. So even if you're wearing level-appropriate gear, going from 49 to 50 will usually result in a resource loss (which you can generally make up by allocating CP).
2. Are you using shields? You shouldn't be squishy with shields.
3. This I'm just curious on, why are you capitalizing sorc?
1. 5 pieces of Julianos; 5 pieces of Necropotence and the SlimeClaw Monster Helm/ Shoulder. All CP160.
2. As for the capitalization of sorc a matter of preference and emphasis I suppose.
3. Yes, on the shields.I_killed_Vivec wrote: »I believe "Boo hoo" is the appropriate response
(MagDK, CP well beyond cap, health with food 17.5k).
Perhaps Boo hoo is the appropriate response, but I am not alone in voicing that complaint.
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"Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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PocketAces13xb✭✭✭idk what you're doing but if you don't like your health then use some purple health enchants on purple gear with infused and you'll get like 1000 per piecePocket Aces 13 -Xbox NA
509cp
A Single Nut Lvl 50 StamDK
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STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭***_allard wrote: »It is totally unfair how you....ZOS....continue to morph the SORCs, because of a few crybabies who cannot compete with them in PvP: Because they don't want to put the time and effort into building their Toon in order to compete like the SORCs have.
I wasn't satisfied with my Breton Magicka SORC despite the fact that she was at CP260 and dressed in 5 pieces of Julianos; 5 pieces of Necropotence and the SlimeClaw Monster Helm/ Shoulder. I wasn't satisfied because she was still too damn squishy and her health and DPS was terrible.
As a result, I created another Toon, a High Elf Magicka SORC this time. Low and behold she had better health, stamina, and DPS. So, while I brought her up through the low levels her health after consuming food was up around 18,000 t0 20,000. And now, having reached CP260 my High Elf Magicka SORC's health has fallen to 17,000 even after coming food. What is the heck up with that ZOS? (I also replaced her crappy armor and staffs with those from my Breton--- the 5 pieces of Julianos; 5 pieces of Necropotence and the SlimeClaw Monster Helm/ Shoulder.)
"Oh, that's right! It's the player's fault. I keep forgetting. Sorry!?!"
Okay, so now let's hear it? Thank you.
Ok so several things muddled together in confusion.
Breton vs Altmer difference is not health vs stamina but resistance (breton) vs damage (altmer). look at their relative passives to see the difference. Both have max magica passives, both have sustain passives (one reduces cost, one raises recovery) but the big difference is the breton gets resistance vs the altmer gets inc damage numbers.
So the suggestion of altmer less squishy is just off - unless you allocated options differently.
Second, comparing low level and high level tooltips and variables wont fly because everything is scaled now to top end stats. As any character levels up the scaling is adjusted. The lowest level characters get a small bump up to offset their reduced options but that fade out by level 20 or so.
But simply put, squishy vs non-squishy for any class is a matter of options chosen by player. Did you put everything into magica or half into health? Are you wearing offensive light armor type gear or protective heavy armor gear? Are you optimizing shields or not? NOTE that shields have a hard time scaling to deal with crowds - shows especially in PVP - while mitigation is more reliable against crowds.
And, guess what, almost none of this is specific to the sorc - though the shield is more relevant to them.
So, if after getting two characters through to cp260 you still do not realize these most basic principles - i would suggest working with a guild for some assistance or going through any number of the online guides to how things work and the tactics and theory behind builds.
one very easy to miss point is: many online builds focusing on DPS are built with the idea of "group play" not solo play and so they often lowball or ignore defenses because the assumption is their is a tank and healer helping you out. that is a very different situation from say a solo play scenario.
I recall a post once where someone was using a well known and posted build (a end game group build for Dk dps) and kept getting killed. Well that was because that "for group" build did not slot any of the Dk defenses or healing cuz.. .you know... it relied on healer and tank.
But basically, the "cases" or examples you seem to lay out do not seem to support your conclusions in this case.
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First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."9 -
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✭✭✭✭What I got out of this is that you don't understand the scaling system? Sorcs haven't lost max health in the last patch.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub16 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭***_allard wrote: ».... So, while I brought her up through the low levels her health after consuming food was up around 18,000 t0 20,000. ...
ESO is the RPG where your character gets weaker but more specialized as you level up,
due to the method of scaling content/the player for content in the game, the lowest levels have higher average pools
Altmer will give you higher damage due to passive buff to elemental damage,
but between Breton and Altmer your survivability is going to be about the same -- the Breton spell resistance is not much"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You lost your low level battle leveling and ending up with 10k to 16K unbuffed health is normal after level 50.
Happens to all not just SORCs.
Edited by TequilaFire on October 30, 2017 7:58PM9 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »You lost your low level battle leveling and ending up with 10k to 16K unbuffed health is normal after level 50.
Happens to all not just SORCS.
totally freaked me out the first time it happened and I was actually paying attention to my stats...
seriously - i was like what the heck is going on...
some of the most OP players in the game are rocking level 40 something toons...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yeah lvl 40 to 45 is the sweet spot if you outfit with set armor and weapons.3 -
Pele✭✭✭✭✭All your complaints have nothing to do with Sorc. You just don't understand how the game works. Read up on how scaling, skills, gear, attributes, and CP work.
No, you don't get weaker. This misconception is why we have CPs crying about being weak. The starter stats are a crutch. You're expected to learn something about the game as you level which is why the crutch is slowly removed as you gain levels. It's not the game's fault if someone's main goal from 1 -50 was powerleveling instead of playing the game then they reach CP and think the game is broken.... ESO is the RPG where your character gets weaker but more specialized as you level up...7 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭***_allard wrote: »It is totally unfair how you....ZOS....continue to morph the SORCs, because of a few crybabies
its not a "few crybabies" it is now and has been since launch alot of people on many platforms and constant threads admitting the truth that sorcer class is overpowered both in shields and damage output.
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✭✭Take some time to learn how the game works, at 260 CP you are much stronger. But you will need appropriate gear, skills and have your champion points in the right passives.0 -
Jigger_allard✭✭✭All your complaints have nothing to do with Sorc. You just don't understand how the game works. Read up on how scaling, skills, gear, attributes, and CP work.
No, you don't get weaker. This misconception is why we have CPs crying about being weak. The starter stats are a crutch. You're expected to learn something about the game as you level which is why the crutch is slowly removed as you gain levels. It's not the game's fault if someone's main goal from 1 -50 was powerleveling instead of playing the game then they reach CP and think the game is broken.... ESO is the RPG where your character gets weaker but more specialized as you level up...
1.) Hum! Power leveling vs playing the game?!? Doing quests, farming for materials, sky shards and lore books; fighting in dolmens, public dungeons and group dungeons is power leveling, who knew? Nobody does that, do they?
2.) I get it! It is always the player's fault.....no exception! Thank you for reminding me.0 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Level up your undaunted? That will get you over 18k health but it's not really necessary, 17k is just fine.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
Jigger_allard✭✭✭Take some time to learn how the game works, at 260 CP you are much stronger. But you will need appropriate gear, skills and have your champion points in the right passives.
And therein lays my problem. From what I have been told by many other players is that the monster set that I am currently wearing is appropriate for a Magicka Sorc Build. Of course, there are those with differing opinions on that; the 5 pieces of Julianos; the 5 pieces of Necropotence and the SlimeCraw helm and shoulders.
In the meantime, I am struggling to allocate my Champion points appropriately. Meaning that everyone is calling for Sorcs to have more DPS and sustainability. (Yet, I hear complaints that ZOS has morphed down some of that DPS.) And, for me, trying to decipher the Champion point system for a Magicka Sorc build is utterly daunting and even more damn confusing.
The way I play means that I need better health and stamina. As it is right now my stamina most often prevents me from tumbling out of trouble more than once until it builds back up again. Add to that my inability to watch everything happening around me while trying to keep my shield up and deal significant damage to the mob and bosses at the same damn time. No easy task for me.
(Incidentally, someone suggested that I join a guild. As it happens, I am in 5 of them. I hope that helps?)
Thank you.0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭***_allard wrote: »All your complaints have nothing to do with Sorc. You just don't understand how the game works. Read up on how scaling, skills, gear, attributes, and CP work.
No, you don't get weaker. This misconception is why we have CPs crying about being weak. The starter stats are a crutch. You're expected to learn something about the game as you level which is why the crutch is slowly removed as you gain levels. It's not the game's fault if someone's main goal from 1 -50 was powerleveling instead of playing the game then they reach CP and think the game is broken.... ESO is the RPG where your character gets weaker but more specialized as you level up...
1.) Hum! Power leveling vs playing the game?!? Doing quests, farming for materials, sky shards and lore books; fighting in dolmens, public dungeons and group dungeons is power leveling, who knew? Nobody does that, do they?
2.) I get it! It is always the player's fault.....no exception! Thank you for reminding me.
Saying "this is an error in player understanding" in one case is not the same thing as lumping every issue into the same category - but for some that leap may help them avoid realizing they were in the wrong.
To be clear, in this case, based on evidence presented and case put forth, this **is** a case of OP being in error on **why** what they are seeing is happening.
Perhaps the Op will learn, perhaps the Op will deflect, perhaps the Op will troll... many other options to. But if they have not learned these basic facts of the game by Cp260, something seems amiss.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."5 -
Jigger_allard✭✭✭***_allard wrote: »All your complaints have nothing to do with Sorc. You just don't understand how the game works. Read up on how scaling, skills, gear, attributes, and CP work.
No, you don't get weaker. This misconception is why we have CPs crying about being weak. The starter stats are a crutch. You're expected to learn something about the game as you level which is why the crutch is slowly removed as you gain levels. It's not the game's fault if someone's main goal from 1 -50 was powerleveling instead of playing the game then they reach CP and think the game is broken.... ESO is the RPG where your character gets weaker but more specialized as you level up...
1.) Hum! Power leveling vs playing the game?!? Doing quests, farming for materials, sky shards and lore books; fighting in dolmens, public dungeons and group dungeons is power leveling, who knew? Nobody does that, do they?
2.) I get it! It is always the player's fault.....no exception! Thank you for reminding me.
Saying "this is an error in player understanding" in one case is not the same thing as lumping every issue into the same category - but for some that leap may help them avoid realizing they were in the wrong.
To be clear, in this case, based on evidence presented and case put forth, this **is** a case of OP being in error on **why** what they are seeing is happening.
Perhaps the Op will learn, perhaps the Op will deflect, perhaps the Op will troll... many other options to. But if they have not learned these basic facts of the game by Cp260, something seems amiss.
Perhaps I will do all those things--with the exception of trolling. And, you are right also. Something is amiss. Yea, I find it all extremely confusing. But, I am here to have fun and to socialize. And, while I want to learn the mechanics of the game, I am not in competition with none one here. (Besides, I hate PvP.) I don't have to be the best of the best nor is that my goal. I just want the ability to deal damage, stay alive and be a team player.
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✭✭✭✭✭***_allard wrote: »Yea, I find it all extremely confusing. But, I am here to have fun and to socialize. And, while I want to learn the mechanics of the game, I am not in competition with none one here. (Besides, I hate PvP.) I don't have to be the best of the best nor is that my goal. I just want the ability to deal damage, stay alive and be a team player.
story of my life right there - and, eso in particular
i'm scared to really even consider the amount of thought and effort i've put in to my different characters...wish i was a little more enthused about real life stuff...
you'll get there @***_allard ...it's tough, but, try to stay patient...
Edited by geonsocal on October 30, 2017 9:37PMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place0 -
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✭✭✭✭@***_allard When I made your armor, you were only using one piece of Slimecraw. What did you take off in order to put on the second piece of Slimecraw? If you took off a piece of Julianos, you lost spell damage. If you took off a piece of Necro, you lost your pet build. I'm not sure the second piece of Slimecraw is worth that. Maybe someone with more knowledge than me can answer that better than me.PC/NA/EP ✌️2 -
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✭✭✭✭@***_allard have a read of @mApplinator Guide
It has plenty of detail on how things work without going into crazy detail.0 -
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✭***_allard wrote: »It is totally unfair how you....ZOS....continue to morph the SORCs, because of a few crybabies who cannot compete with them in PvP: Because they don't want to put the time and effort into building their Toon in order to compete like the SORCs have.
I wasn't satisfied with my Breton Magicka SORC despite the fact that she was at CP260 and dressed in 5 pieces of Julianos; 5 pieces of Necropotence and the SlimeClaw Monster Helm/ Shoulder. I wasn't satisfied because she was still too damn squishy and her health and DPS was terrible.
As a result, I created another Toon, a High Elf Magicka SORC this time. Low and behold she had better health, stamina, and DPS. So, while I brought her up through the low levels her health after consuming food was up around 18,000 t0 20,000. And now, having reached CP260 my High Elf Magicka SORC's health has fallen to 17,000 even after coming food. What is the heck up with that ZOS? (I also replaced her crappy armor and staffs with those from my Breton--- the 5 pieces of Julianos; 5 pieces of Necropotence and the SlimeClaw Monster Helm/ Shoulder.)
"Oh, that's right! It's the player's fault. I keep forgetting. Sorry!?!"
Okay, so now let's hear it? Thank you.
Battle spirit is a bad thing, said so from the get go. Adding stats to lower levels was and is a handicap. This is not a sorc problem. I keep 16k on my sorc and I'm fine.0 -
supaskrub✭✭✭✭✭i run my sorc at 16k health and have no issues with shields fed by 43k magicka,. You have options, is your undaunted skill line fully levelled?.. is it so important to wear seven divines pieces?... why not five divines and two infused (chest and legs) with tri-glyphs.. if you are squishy and struggling then the small loss of magicka from a large magicka pool for a pretty big gain in health and stamina is worth it, you wont barely notice a change in your dps but your survivability will rocket. Are you running witchmother? that carries way less health than a blue food, do you shield up and ensure surge is on a 100% uptime.. Think survivabilty not pretty stats... the stats will start to come when you go over 300cpEdited by supaskrub on October 30, 2017 9:58PM0 -
Slack✭✭✭✭✭Stop crying, even your sorc tears are covered in shieldsPC EU
Betty Breeze - Magwarden
Hunts S'hitblades - Stamplar
Aschavi - Magplar16 -
SammyFable✭✭✭✭You make simple battle scaling into a discussion about sorc nerfs? What?
Ever since One Tamriel brought us the level scaling system, low level characters have higher resources to counteract their lack of skill/attribute points. It's never been a secret, that your resources slowly descrease until you hit Level 50, CP160.0 -
Axoinus✭✭✭✭✭If you are using the same skills, rotation and techniques, switching between those two race's will do approximately jack in overall performance.
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✭My stamblade sits around 18-22k health. That's standard for DPS. If you have issues with survivability, maybe you need to look at your skills. Right now, sorcs are probably the most OP class right now, so it's about time they get to feel the "nerf bat". Welcome to what the rest of us have been experiencing over the last 2 years. ZOS makes changes, you either adapt or quit. It's that simple.1
