Enough with the greed, rng, add a farmable furnishing drop rate for CWC

Aliyavana · October 2017

Zos, we support you through rng crown crates and mounts, and eso plus and buying dlcs... we payed money for the dlc and cannot even access the home there available with gold and are forced to use more irl money for content we already payed to have access to... I do not want to pay real money for a few trees and want to farm it myself, or buy from other players with gold but that's not an option with the ridiculous rng involved.

Farming furnishings in CWC is not viable: morrowind had dreloth tomb and even then the rng was unreliable with me never looting any purple morrowind furnishings but plenty of non morrowind furnishings...

We need a way to get furnishings reliably, whether an increase to rng for thieving in CWC or undiluting the loot table is needed

Malic · October 2017

Youre paying and there is nothing else to it. The problem the pve people have, and you have my absolute sympathy on this as a pvp only player, is you must have some unbelievable whales buying crap up in the store.

I mean the prices are hilarious, no wonder drop rates are so low.

Vimora · October 2017

Thing about these gaming companies is that you can cry all you want, you won't changing their minds if they decided to make money this way. Some MMOs create paid classes and make them op. You can cry for a nerf all you want, they never do it. Some games put BiS gear in lootboxes and keys in the store. You can whine about it, it won't matter. ESO is at least not p2w. They decided to tease stuff in-game and then sell it in the store, so this is how it's gonna be.

AlienatedGoat · October 2017

Malic wrote: »

Youre paying and there is nothing else to it. The problem the pve people have, and you have my absolute sympathy on this as a pvp only player, is you must have some unbelievable whales buying crap up in the store.

I mean the prices are hilarious, no wonder drop rates are so low.

I don't know why you're being so condescending. PvP isn't exactly in sparkling shape either.

ThePrinceOfBargains · October 2017

Vimora wrote: »

Thing about these gaming companies is that you can cry all you want, you won't changing their minds if they decided to make money this way. Some MMOs create paid classes and make them op. You can cry for a nerf all you want, they never do it. Some games put BiS gear in lootboxes and keys in the store. You can whine about it, it won't matter. ESO is at least not p2w. They decided to tease stuff in-game and then sell it in the store, so this is how it's gonna be.

That’s mostly true, but they’re being insanely greedy now. The Clockwork City home, as I’ve heard, is already crown-exclusive and costs 8000 crowns. The least could’ve done is keep the furnishing drop rate decent.

Wrubius_Coronaria · October 2017

TheMaster wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

Thing about these gaming companies is that you can cry all you want, you won't changing their minds if they decided to make money this way. Some MMOs create paid classes and make them op. You can cry for a nerf all you want, they never do it. Some games put BiS gear in lootboxes and keys in the store. You can whine about it, it won't matter. ESO is at least not p2w. They decided to tease stuff in-game and then sell it in the store, so this is how it's gonna be.

That’s mostly true, but they’re being insanely greedy now. The Clockwork City home, as I’ve heard, is already crown-exclusive and costs 8000 crowns. The least could’ve done is keep the furnishing drop rate decent.

The house available with Clowckwork city cost 12 000 crowns unfurnished and 15 000 crowns furnished. (almost 100 euros!) And I confirm it's crown store exclusive purchase sadly.

Screenshots as proof :

I agree with the op, droprate is ridiculous, but not only in last dlc area. This why I don't even bother to farm furnitures plans, it's just a pure waste of time.

Agalloch · October 2017

Changing the drop rate for thee new furnishing plans was a real bad choice.

We pay almost for everything ..and want to play the game for fun...so please ZOS revert the drop changes ...!!

The drop rate was encouraging to make us to play more . Now ...its crap...

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · October 2017

Vimora wrote: »

Thing about these gaming companies is that you can cry all you want, you won't changing their minds if they decided to make money this way. Some MMOs create paid classes and make them op. You can cry for a nerf all you want, they never do it. Some games put BiS gear in lootboxes and keys in the store. You can whine about it, it won't matter. ESO is at least not p2w. They decided to tease stuff in-game and then sell it in the store, so this is how it's gonna be.

Those games are fun enough to get away with it and that’s the only way they can make money. I don’t like ZoS I’m a PvPer and only PvE when I have to yet I’m subbed not cause I like them or agree with the nonsense changes they made but I feel it’s important to support the game.

Have never and will never buy crates. The day I need them to play or enjoy the game is the day to leave. ZoS has a problem with the crown store they wall off more and more there. Soon™ (3-4 dlc) all the fun and cool stuff added to dlc when be in crown store and everything in the zone will be drops from all the other zones. Purple non Morrowind drops being the only purple drops in Morrowind.

Wraithscream · October 2017

I had started my own thread to talk about this but I will paste what I said therel
I have played nearly ever single day since Morrowind dropped. I subscribe to PLUS, and have probably spent over $150 on crowns. This is the only game I play because I don't have time in my life for others. I play on Xbox.
Now I love making, selling, decorating with furniture in the game. I know nearly every single vanilla pattern in the game. Would you like to know how many Morrowind epic patterns I know? One. One pattern. Out of the HUNDREDS they added to the game. I did not even find it. I had to pay 500k for it in a trader. Most players don't know any. I know about 20 of the blue rare patterns (pretty much the only ones that drop). They added a multitude of these patterns too but I would say 3/4 are not dropping for anyone.

Now I have farmed nearly 30,000 urns. I spend multiple hours running 5 different characters through ancestral tombs to finally find my first epic morrowind pattern. That drop rate is below terrible. That is so month of farming and not getting a single one.
And now I hear that they have nerfed the already terrible drop rates on patterns from Clockwork city. Added to this fact is that the crafting materials are as rare as the patterns and we have even a worse situation than in Morrowind.

So I have some questions that I would love a response to:

1) Is this going to be the model from now on? Will we just have to suck it up and only ever use vanilla patterns to decorate our houses? It seems you don't want anyone to have any of the new patterns.

2) Is this just about you guys getting more sales from the furniture crown store?

3) Are you pretty much giving up on housing from now on?

4) Or are changes coming to at least bump the drop rates even a little?

Thanks for your time and I hope a mod can take some time to respond to these questions from my guild.

Wraithscream · October 2017

Also. The quickest fix to all of this is to remove the vanilla patterns from Morrowind and CWC loot tables.

Throw us a bone ZoS!

DisgracefulMind · October 2017

Wraithscream wrote: »

Also. The quickest fix to all of this is to remove the vanilla patterns from Morrowind and CWC loot tables.

Throw us a bone ZoS!

That or they could add these plans to the voucher vendor ffs...

Teridaxus · October 2017

Despite calling myself master crafter, i barely learned any furnishing recipes.
They added tons of thems with every update and the droprate gets worse and worse.

How do people even fill their houses unless they spend crowns? I know morrowind owners just use basic dunmer but what about the imperial manour or the clock work house?

Electrone_Magnus · October 2017

I have no problem with crown store exclusive mounts and pets, banker, merchant and stuff like that IF they are reasonably priced and you can own most of them if you pay for the sub. However the addition of virtual houses that cost more than most fully priced games with season passes and gamble crates with rng exclusive mounts makes me angry. I'm paying for the sub every month and buying chapters and buying crowns but I still can't own everything I want to .

At least there should be meaningful things to do in the endgame. But trials run at 20fps and they arent even fun theyre just a dps race and its too hard to get into vtrials. Pvp is nothing but lag and tbagging while fighting for the same few keeps. Becoming a master crafter is a fun and challenging thing to do which actually works but now the grind for motifs and blueprints is getting unrealistic. Seriously 300k for a buoyant armiger page but easily available in the crates? Its starting to feel like a free to play model where you either grind for years or pay for it in the cash shop. It destroys any form of fun progression in order to suck more money from the player.

And the worst part is we still have to pay full price for the dlc and can't even get all the content we already paid for unless we pay another 12k crowns for the house and another 20k crowns to furnish it.

Narvuntien · October 2017

This just in, game companies have to make money. As long as they refrain from pay2win, they can sell whatever the hell they want.

Housing and furnishing offers no in game advantages they are all for show.. you want to look pretty you want a pretty house.. pay for it. Think its too expensive.. don't buy it.

Same goes for costumes and mounts, *shrug* I mean why does it even matter? does it matter to you?... pay for it.

What are the motifs for?, looking pretty.... again pointless, I collect plenty of normal motifs for reasonable prices.. I get plenty of master writs and i sell the writs I can't use.

You just want free stuff, stuff that just looks shiny but has no real impact on the game. They can sell whatever they want and as long as enough people are willing to pay for it they will keep doing it. So either spend the money or don't buy it its up to you.

I mean I haven't bought morrowind because I just feel like the asking price is too much but I feel like clockwork city is actually quite good value, especially for the artist work that went into it. I might pick it up next crown sale.

Gargath · October 2017

Why do you complain, you get the furninshing items in almost all witch skulls.
So what that they are branches

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OutLaw_Nynx · October 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

This just in, game companies have to make money. As long as they refrain from pay2win, they can sell whatever the hell they want.

Housing and furnishing offers no in game advantages they are all for show.. you want to look pretty you want a pretty house.. pay for it. Think its too expensive.. don't buy it.

Same goes for costumes and mounts, *shrug* I mean why does it even matter? does it matter to you?... pay for it.

What are the motifs for?, looking pretty.... again pointless, I collect plenty of normal motifs for reasonable prices.. I get plenty of master writs and i sell the writs I can't use.

You just want free stuff, stuff that just looks shiny but has no real impact on the game. They can sell whatever they want and as long as enough people are willing to pay for it they will keep doing it. So either spend the money or don't buy it its up to you.

I mean I haven't bought morrowind because I just feel like the asking price is too much but I feel like clockwork city is actually quite good value, especially for the artist work that went into it. I might pick it up next crown sale.

Please stop defending their greed.

There is a difference between selling your product and gouging your player base.

RANKK7 · October 2017

Vaardenfell and Clockwork drop rate is insulting. They must have misunderstood what housing enthusiasts' goal is: the PLANS! Not the damn single nightstand from the Store, that can be an extra, that's not the game.

The game is to complete styles reading the furniture plans.

Feed the gold sellers ZOS, go ahead, someone will buy gold for cash as last resort to catch the furniture plans when around, the furniture plans you are not giving us, since the insane cost due to the insane drop rate. So smart ZOS.

Wraithscream · October 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

This just in, game companies have to make money. As long as they refrain from pay2win, they can sell whatever the hell they want.

Housing and furnishing offers no in game advantages they are all for show.. you want to look pretty you want a pretty house.. pay for it. Think its too expensive.. don't buy it.

Same goes for costumes and mounts, *shrug* I mean why does it even matter? does it matter to you?... pay for it.

What are the motifs for?, looking pretty.... again pointless, I collect plenty of normal motifs for reasonable prices.. I get plenty of master writs and i sell the writs I can't use.

You just want free stuff, stuff that just looks shiny but has no real impact on the game. They can sell whatever they want and as long as enough people are willing to pay for it they will keep doing it. So either spend the money or don't buy it its up to you.

I mean I haven't bought morrowind because I just feel like the asking price is too much but I feel like clockwork city is actually quite good value, especially for the artist work that went into it. I might pick it up next crown sale.

Just because you don't like something does not mean it's not part of the game. It's clearly part of the game because they have made patterns for these furnishings. And guess what? I do buy some of the crown only furniture. But if they are going to make the patterns never drop them they should take them out of the game completely and just say you have to buy all housing items for cash money. Would I hate that? Of course, but at least they would be up front and honest and not ignore a very large portion of their player base as they do now.

People make some well thought out arguments and ways to fix aspects of the game and get completely ignored. Heck synergies have been terrible since day one. People have offered multiple fixes. Dead silence from the mods. It's disheartening. Other games i have played the devs are more open to talking to their players, not all, but those that do I respect so much more.

Balgost · October 2017

Here's another recent article on the subject:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/video-games-loot-boxes-1.4373079

Panthorz86 · October 2017

Me and my friend have been farming Morrowind Furniture plans since about the second week of release. We run 14 characters thru the urns on average of two times per day (sometimes 4+ rotations, sometimes 0) and check traders religiously. I would say we have farmed individually over 1 million urns and have spent combined 75mil + gold buying up plans. Additionally, we have an army of about 20 people that farm for us and give us first dibs on what they find.

Needless to say if anyone knows the grind required to get these plans, I believe I would qualify. It is a terrible and shameful practice the drop rate that has been implanted with these plans. As others have elaborated on the design, it is to make the plans so rare people just give up and buy from the crown store. The ONLY way ZoS will change their business model on the housing furniture is enough people complain ON THE SAME forum page AND, more importantly, the sales for individual furniture pieces from the crown store drops to an abysmal rate. There was already a topic on this subject, post there next time and keep that thread going.

As for the latter issue, as I alluded to above, me and my friend, littlefireball2, have an extensive collection of the new Morrowind and HotR released furniture plans. Collectively we have about 90% of the plans. [snip]

I'm sure it sounds as if I'm making a sales pitch, but if everyone stops giving ZoS money for individual furniture items maybe they will actually up the drop rate and focus on making better houses for people to buy or maybe developing a way to increase the furniture cap in housing (please for the love of God!). I would highly suggest other ESO platforms to develop a similar network for securing these furniture pieces, you CANNOT farm them individually and hope to obtain them all.

Regards,
Panthorz86, XBOX NA

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Apache_Kid · October 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

This just in, game companies have to make money. As long as they refrain from pay2win, they can sell whatever the hell they want.

Housing and furnishing offers no in game advantages they are all for show.. you want to look pretty you want a pretty house.. pay for it. Think its too expensive.. don't buy it.

Same goes for costumes and mounts, *shrug* I mean why does it even matter? does it matter to you?... pay for it.

What are the motifs for?, looking pretty.... again pointless, I collect plenty of normal motifs for reasonable prices.. I get plenty of master writs and i sell the writs I can't use.

You just want free stuff, stuff that just looks shiny but has no real impact on the game. They can sell whatever they want and as long as enough people are willing to pay for it they will keep doing it. So either spend the money or don't buy it its up to you.

I mean I haven't bought morrowind because I just feel like the asking price is too much but I feel like clockwork city is actually quite good value, especially for the artist work that went into it. I might pick it up next crown sale.

This is a really terrible take.