Tanks how do you feel about fake dps in dungeon finder?

crobarXIII · October 2017

15k dps

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Does not make sense. The issue with fake tanks does not mean a crappy tank is a fake tank. It is when a dps ques as a tank or a healer as a rank etc. If you mean a tank quing as a dps simple I kick him. I que for the role I want on the character that can do it bc I want to enjoy doing that role not have someone take it away from me. Fake tank might mean if I am the dps then I end up tanking when I do not want to or if a fake dps when I am tanking and starts throwing taunts etc. I do not care if dps in random finder or tank is good or bad, you get what you get and people need to get their feet wet sometime to know their limitations so they can overcome them. If you do not have time to do a random run then blame yourself or drop group, stop blaming everyone else bc they are not at your "level".

I have the time but if you read my post above you'll see that sometimes I have to swap to a dps toon to make up for the lack of dps in the group in turn losing out on keys that I worked my arse off for. If I as a tank am required to stay alive, keep my group alive with shields/off-healing, buffing groups dps, maintaining taunt, controlling ads & interrupting when needed . The least a dps can do is have some dps gear, know mechanics or willing to learn them, know what a rotation is & stays out of red (pink nowadays)

akl77 · October 2017

5k dps

Haha, I like your thread.
What I hate the most is dps that doing attack using sword and board, and pierce armor everything, getting aggro away.
Or using ice staff taunting everything.
Told them it’ll taunt, they just laugh and keep doing it.
Then they got one shot by mobs, and they just laugh.
I mean is it really fun to troll the real tank in dungeons this way?
I really can’t stand those troll dps.

MasterSpatula · October 2017

This poll isn't biased enough for the ESO forums.

crobarXIII · October 2017

15k dps

akl77 wrote: »

Haha, I like your thread.
What I hate the most is dps that doing attack using sword and board, and pierce armor everything, getting aggro away.
Or using ice staff taunting everything.
Told them it’ll taunt, they just laugh and keep doing it.
Then they got one shot by mobs, and they just laugh.
I mean is it really fun to troll the real tank in dungeons this way?
I really can’t stand those troll dps.

Don't remind me. I can't stand those dps that take my taunt. If they continue to ignore me when I keep telling them to stop taunting. I tell the rest of the group to not revive them & I just sit in a chair waiting for them to die so I can continue tanking

akl77 · October 2017

5k dps

crobarXIII wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

Haha, I like your thread.
What I hate the most is dps that doing attack using sword and board, and pierce armor everything, getting aggro away.
Or using ice staff taunting everything.
Told them it’ll taunt, they just laugh and keep doing it.
Then they got one shot by mobs, and they just laugh.
I mean is it really fun to troll the real tank in dungeons this way?
I really can’t stand those troll dps.

Don't remind me. I can't stand those dps that take my taunt. If they continue to ignore me when I keep telling them to stop taunting. I tell the rest of the group to not revive them & I just sit in a chair waiting for them to die so I can continue tanking

Yea I let them die too, oh so satisfying.
Then I’ll probably leave the group, tank queue is immediately anyway, lol.
And the best way to punish them is having them wait for a replacement tank, forever.

jaws343 · October 2017

Honestly I would rather have 2 dps that do 10k damage and know how to survive a dungeon than 2 that run 15k+ but die repeatedly or rely on the healer to stay alive. From a PUG standpoint, self reliance is crucial.

Meld777 · October 2017

30k+dps

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

You have kind of low standards if 30k is the maximum in your poll. I personally kick everyone who can't reach solid 50k+. Otherwise they won't be able to kill the first boss before I reached the next one when sprinting through the dungeon.

So true! These people are the worst. Some Sorc in lightning form that queues as a Tank when he's not. Then my gf and I (DDs), who have to deal with him spreading the adds all over the place, have ~45% group DPS each on boss fights, leaving that guy and the healer with ~10%. And the worst thing is, many of those people don't even run any dps meter. So they don't even know that they actually suck and deal no damage.

Shawn_PT · October 2017

How do I feel? I feel like this may take a while.

Jokes aside if it's just one of the base dungeons, it doesn't much matter. If the group can at least get the mechanics done, then even if it takes a while we can do it. I truly don't mind if I take 10 minutes or 30 on a dungeon. If it's done, it's done. Though of course it's a much more pleasant run when the bosses are down before we even notice.

Exceptions are the obvious DPS races. You can't do vCoA2 with group DPS of 20k. Your backside is going to be literally on fire if you take too long. Direfrost can be a challenge too. I remember going there and being on the last boss for 15 minutes, and she was still at about 60% health. The issue there wasn't as much the lack of DPS as a lack of stamina on the magDDs to break free of her drain. I admit though as a pure tank I should have changed my backbar to something that might assist the group on that fight, but I couldn't have imagined the group would have issues with breaking free.

So unless there's a DPS check moment on the dungeon, DPS isn't as important as survivability, knowledge of mechanics, and patience.

5k. Phew. We've done it. First time? Gratz. Maybe a piece of advice or two if I see a stamina char using a staff on backbar, or even front bar. Anyone want loot? See ya guys. Let me go rest my hand, it hurts from holding block.

10k. Well that was a run. First time? Gratz. Anyone want loot? See ya guys. Secretly wishing I had a tanky DD build instead of a pure tank one, it would have helped a bit.

15k-20k. It's done. Anyone want loot? See ya. Empty bags, queue again.

25k-30k. That was fast. You wanna do another one, guys? DLC pledge even?

SirMewser · October 2017

20k dps

Doing about 20K dps single target could be achieved by any role, so I would rather see greater numbers.
I am not picky for being much higher, it's nice to have more but what annoys me more is DPS dying to simple mechanics all the time, because then they are doing 0 DPS.

In trials I'd say 30K single target, minimum.

Girl_Number8 · October 2017

I let go of aggro and let them all die.

idk · October 2017

Granted, OP is probably being funny due to the fake tank/healer threads.

There are already fake dps and they are probably the ones creating the fake tank/healer threads.

Edit: the comment is about those that complain about the performance of others in GF groups. I have done many GF groups on both normal and vet and rarely has the group been an issue. Sometimes slow, but also sometimes the player/players are getting their first clear in that vet dungeon or another.

It really gets old seeing the complaint threads on the subject because the one thing that is certain, if any of us are looking for someone that has room for improvement we merely have to go look in the mirror.

Morgul667 · October 2017

15k dps

10 - 15 should be enough for most situations

Jayman1000 · October 2017

It's weird but I actually find tanking much easier than getting high dps. I did spend very little time acquiring gear and selecting skills for tanking, that I have ever spend trying to get better DPS. Don't know why I found it so difficult and complex to get high dps. And the tanking itself is fun and somewhat easy. I mean there can be a bunch of legwork but it's straightforward to figure out what to do.

LadyNalcarya · October 2017

15k dps

I'd say 15k is the bare minumum. Sure, its technically possible to do most of the dungeons with less than that, but spending 1 hour+ just to finish one dungeon isnt optimal for anyone who has real life and cant play all day.
I also noticed that dds with super low dps usually arent very good when it comes to mechanics, which makes some of the dungeons impossible.

firedrgn · October 2017

I don't give a crap as long,as I get A group ..

kyle.wilson · October 2017

When addons are telling me that I'm doing >33% of the DPS being done that's when I get annoyed.
I ran a dungeon yesterday as tank, all chars were >690cp. Yet as the tank, I was consistently getting 33% of the DPS while only pulling down 7K.
We finished, but it was way longer and more annoying than need be.

ThePrinceOfBargains · October 2017

Liofa wrote: »

If you are doing really low DPS, I will just assume you are trolling

This blatant absurdity doesn’t help validate your point.

SoLooney · October 2017

wheres the 40k plus option? faster deeps means faster runs, so of course tanks want more dps

Niobium · October 2017

20k dps

PlagueSD wrote: »

crobarXIII wrote: »

Been stuck on the last boss of direfrost because the boss was out healing the dps.

There's no DPS check for that boss. She was healing because no one was using "break-free" from her CC. She heals stupidly fast when she cc's players.

She will always get the first tick of her heal off no matter how fast you break free. I had a 40min Drodda at one point and that was the exact issue.

I am a healer and can pull 10k. I would expect a dps could pull about double that considering they have 2 bars worth of skills to use exactly for dps and gear designed for dps rather than group support/healing.

When I am in a group and the tank and I are, combined, pulling 70%+ of the dps, I am concerned.

The 14.5min Imiril fight I had was not fun.

Using the "just let them die and rez them after" strategy in Fungal Grotto 2 was not fun.

To all those who say they don't care how long it takes and have no dps requirements, I commend you for your patience - but thanks to you all the rest of us are left with mediocre dps who think light attacks are just fine and 3k dps isn't a problem.

Side note: I'm referring to vet dungeons.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2017

30k+dps

With DPS geting actively harder despite the cries of 'adapt' each patch the tollerence thresh-hold is gone.

You pull great DPS or you dont queue, essentiallly. Because 30 K is basicly the only thing that makes runs go at a reasonable pace.

Curragraigue · October 2017

15k dps

I'm doing at least 5-10k in tank gear while buffing and debuffing for everyone else so 15k is not a big ask imo

Cage_Lizardman · October 2017

15k dps

I usually don't queue as anything but dps because I'm too scared of ending up with two 5k dd's. It happens way too often.

Sleep · October 2017

i met some fake dd who were actually tanks though they didn't block at all.

Qbiken · October 2017

25k dps

SydneyGrey wrote: »

There's not really such thing as a "fake DPS" in the group finder, because there are only three categories: tank, healer and DPS. If someone knows they aren't a tank or a healer, they have to list themselves as DPS by default.
There is bad DPS, but not "fake" DPS.

The reason people talk about fake healers and tanks is because sometimes people list themselves in those categories just so they don't have to wait in line as a DPS, which means that yes, they are indeed fake healers and tanks.

If you que as a dps and pull below 25k in a veteran dungeon I´m going to consider you a fake dps, since I don´t think that you´re fulfilling your role with such low dps. The same way a "fake healer/tank" not doing the role they qued for.

Flameheart · October 2017

15k dps

If I am tank and I get 2 DDs and EACH is able to do at least 15k dps SINGLE TARGET (for AoE I expect a lot more) it would be still far from perfect (actually it would still be bad), but ok, I would not leave the group in "old" vet content. In newer DLC vet instances 15k single target dps would be not enough to succeed in the most cases or such low dps would at least make things much more difficult.

Actually the issue I experience in vet dungeons is often very lousy AoE dps which let trash fights last an eternity (hey guys, you ever heard of AoE dps skills ?) I even met guys who linked 30k AoE dps after trash groups with 10 mobs (which I almost perfectly piled up as a tank) and thought this score was some sort of the 8th world wonder...

Another fact is that you often have ONE DD which is a total fail while another does 15k or 20k dps, which results in a very lousy group dps. So better do more, a lot more.

PS: To be precise with "15k dps" I mean 15k single target dps in boss fights, where - due to the easy mechanics of the boss - a good DD is usually able to unload 30k+ dps (and this even in melee range, because no annoying boss AoEs or other effects), because the boss has just "target-dummy-format". I am aware of the fact that there are bosses where 20 or 25k dps as a melee for example is already a pretty good value.

PPS: In contradiction to other opinions here I call a DD who can't pull 15k single target dps on bosses with "target-dummy-format" fake dps. Sorry, you should be able to achieve that just with a proper gear and skill setup and only unloading dots and not a single light or heavy attack or even animation cancelling...

Runefang · October 2017

15k dps

SydneyGrey wrote: »

There's not really such thing as a "fake DPS" in the group finder, because there are only three categories: tank, healer and DPS. If someone knows they aren't a tank or a healer, they have to list themselves as DPS by default.
There is bad DPS, but not "fake" DPS.

The reason people talk about fake healers and tanks is because sometimes people list themselves in those categories just so they don't have to wait in line as a DPS, which means that yes, they are indeed fake healers and tanks.

That's nonsense though. Anybody with vigor can heal somebody, does that make them a bad or fake healer? Anybody with a taunt can tank, are they bad or fake?

Flameheart · October 2017

15k dps

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

You have kind of low standards if 30k is the maximum in your poll. I personally kick everyone who can't reach solid 50k+. Otherwise they won't be able to kill the first boss before I reached the next one when sprinting through the dungeon.

I like the irony. Actually I felt terrible with my (not often played and unexperienced) Magsorc last time, as I just achieved 33k dps at Bogdan, while my guild mate achieved 50k+ dps with his Stamplar. Ok, stamina and magicka, thats a pretty important difference right now.

Khenarthi · October 2017

15k dps

Well.. low DDs are not fake DDs. They just don't have the gear or knowledge to do any better, but at least they have not purposely lied about their role to trick the system.

In an easy dungeon I don't much care for what damage the DDs are doing. If I'm going for a vet hardmode, 15k per DD would make me very happy already (bearing in mind I don't do vet DLC HM - I don't find it fun).

I prefer tanking, but when sometimes I join a group from my guilds as a Damage Dealer, I can get 15k easy just by laying some Damage Over Time skills and then going to town with spammable skills and heavy/light attacks, even if that day my fingers won't cooperate for animation cancelling. So 12 to 15k are simple to get without having to worry about "mah rotashiun" and animation cancelling shenanigans.

If a DD is doing 20k to 25k then I'm their biggest fan :^)

In my experience, those super tuned DDs with over 35k tend to be a bit full of themselves (luckily not all are like that) and don't like to follow mechanics even when in a PUG where the other members have varying degrees of experience. They also tend to be bossy and burn though everything where the rest of the group is running behind them, trying to catch up, like so many of Oblivion's Adoring Fan. I prefer to deal with a friendly noob with only 10k, than with a 50k "pro gamer".

Just don't taunt the boss away from me, or you'll die.

tommalmm · October 2017

For me the minimum comfortable GROUP DPS for non dlc dungeons is ~30k. So if the healer pulls 10k and I do ~3k, the DDs can get away with 8-9k. I've completed some vet dungeons with as low GROUP DPS as 15k, but it was a chore.

Anything above 50k GROUP DPS I consider a smooth run.

PS. It's relatively easy to get 35k+ on any class. It's EXTREMELY easy to get 30k+. It's just funny when a whole group does much less DPS than a solid single DD

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Magdalina · October 2017

15k dps

Liofa wrote: »

ANY class can easily break 25-30k+ DPS if above CP160 . Just requires base game knowledge . If I can do 15k Single Target on my level 30 Mag Sorc geared with level 1 Training armor and you think 15k DPS is good for any DD who is higher than CP160 , there is something wrong . This is not even about playing the game casually or hardcore . If you are pulling 15k DPS on whatever class , you are either trolling your team by doing low DPS on purpose or don't know how to read . If you suck or don't know what to do , just go to Youtube and watch some videos . There are a lot of guides out there and they are very detailed . Some people explain things like they are talking to a brain-dead person .

I , as a tank , bust my ass to increase group DPS . If you are doing really low DPS , I will just assume you are trolling and kick you . Not gonna let anyone waste my groupmates' time and definitely not gonna carry anyone .

o: You...you are such a happy person! You have never ever pugged in this game at all, have you? Damn I'm feeling jealous now XD

Sarcasm aside(please don't take it the wrong way, it just did sound funny to me given my usual pug experience), that's a reasonable expectation in guild/friend groups, in pugs, well...even if it's vet and everyone is cp 160+, if I have 2 dps pulling solid 15k each I'll be so happy I could cry. Because it's a lot more likely to be 15k for WHOLE group dps, with 8-10k coming from me as a support role.

You know what's the best part? The standards keep dropping with every patch and every nerf to content they make.