BiS set that works best with 5pc ShackleBreaker? (MagSorc)

Lord_Etrigan · October 2017

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

Izaki · October 2017

Derra wrote: »

@Izaki Slimecraw is not exactly a great set - sadly.

I´ve tested quite a few setups and so far i could not find one where slimecraw would outperform two permanent 5p bonuses (it´s worse than shackle seducer, shackle lich, amber seducer, amber lich, amber julianos).

Alright then, so I guess its a good thing I haven't spent any keys on that! In that case, Amber + Julianos looks VERY good in terms of overall damage and crit. But I guess Shackle + Amber would be ideal for open world since you get the best of both worlds: the high max stat pools (you could even go with dual stat food) and both recovery values. The crit would be kinda low but whatever. And then until I get the Asylum Staff, I could use a 1 piece Domihaus.

Izaki · October 2017

Blanco wrote: »

lol, people are arguing amber + trifood vs shackle + with mothers? It actually isn't even a comparison at all shackle + witchmothers is just better and if you haven't switched to it yet, you should.

2 main reasons:

1) Max Magicka > the extra regen (from amber) for mag sorc. Max magicka gives you damage, more resource and SHIELDS which is the only way you're staying alive out there. And all you have to do is enchant 2 jewelry pieces with recovery and you will have enough magicka recovery if you're running shackle. Run nirnhoned front to make up for lost spell damage.

2) You don't need that much stam (from the tri food) and you don't need that much stam regen. Shackle already gives you max stam and a little bit of stam regen. That little bit is enough. It's not your main resource, and as long as you're not sprinting all over the place you'll have plenty of stam. You will already notice it regenerating at a very fast rate with shackle. Add in stam recovery cp and there is NO need for the extra stam regen from amber.

The only other advantage Amber offers is that little bit of crit and the amount it offers is completely insignificant next to what can be achieved with Shackle with mag sorc.

There is no comparison, and I am surprised people are arguing this.

You're a funny guy.

Lord-Otto · October 2017

@Lord_Etrigan
War Maiden won't benefit your ultimate. Dawnbreaker is very important for DW sorcs. Maybe Meteor now, too, if Rune Cage allows it. Your execution is also not affected, though this only counts against tankier opponents.

Biro123 · October 2017

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

You DEFINTIELY need more damage on a DW build. You don't need as much sustain compared to staff builds which lets you add more damage. Currently you're effectively using 1.5 sustain sets. I tend to use 1.5 damage sets - so yeah, swapping out lich is a good way to go.

Never tried war-maiden but always toyed with the idea of it (I prefer max mag over spell-dmg). Wrath is lightning damage so will not be affected by war-maiden - but when their health gets that low, you probably don't need it anyways..

I also find that mix-matching monster sets for stats is generally better for DW too, and can let you fine-tune your build a bit. I don't think IG hits often enough without a reliable snare.

ToRelax · October 2017

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

Mage's Wrath (why not Endless Fury?) is shock damage. More importantly, what ultimates do you commonly use? The only magic damage ultimates Sorc gets are Soul Strike and Oppression Field (Negate), the bonus damage from Light's Champion would also be increased with War Maiden.

Lord_Etrigan · October 2017

ToRelax wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

Mage's Wrath (why not Endless Fury?) is shock damage. More importantly, what ultimates do you commonly use? The only magic damage ultimates Sorc gets are Soul Strike and Oppression Field (Negate), the bonus damage from Light's Champion would also be increased with War Maiden.

Hi,

Using Wrath as people tend to bottle neck at keeps and this way I can hit more flies with one swat lol.

I use Empowered Ward For the magic return (10% recovery for 10 sec) that I lost by not slotting Fury and I swap ulti between
Suppresion field (gaurds at flags), Shooting star (for open world timed with rune gage and frags)

Light's Champion is always on my back bar

Lord_Etrigan · October 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

You DEFINTIELY need more damage on a DW build. You don't need as much sustain compared to staff builds which lets you add more damage. Currently you're effectively using 1.5 sustain sets. I tend to use 1.5 damage sets - so yeah, swapping out lich is a good way to go.

Never tried war-maiden but always toyed with the idea of it (I prefer max mag over spell-dmg). Wrath is lightning damage so will not be affected by war-maiden - but when their health gets that low, you probably don't need it anyways..

I also find that mix-matching monster sets for stats is generally better for DW too, and can let you fine-tune your build a bit. I don't think IG hits often enough without a reliable snare.

I find I can up my magica with blue food to about 45 000 and tend to alternate and depending on situation, between Witchmother and tri-food

I have my shield on the back bar and it always procs for me when I cast shield. It does go of in differend direction when near other people lol. but 1vs1 it hits target everytime.

Biro123 · October 2017

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

You DEFINTIELY need more damage on a DW build. You don't need as much sustain compared to staff builds which lets you add more damage. Currently you're effectively using 1.5 sustain sets. I tend to use 1.5 damage sets - so yeah, swapping out lich is a good way to go.

Never tried war-maiden but always toyed with the idea of it (I prefer max mag over spell-dmg). Wrath is lightning damage so will not be affected by war-maiden - but when their health gets that low, you probably don't need it anyways..

I also find that mix-matching monster sets for stats is generally better for DW too, and can let you fine-tune your build a bit. I don't think IG hits often enough without a reliable snare.

I find I can up my magica with blue food to about 45 000 and tend to alternate and depending on situation, between Witchmother and tri-food

I tend to run around 50k-52k mag and 2500 spelldmg (buffed). Can push to 3k spelldmg if I totally sacrifice sustain - but that's with pets.

Lord_Etrigan · October 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

You DEFINTIELY need more damage on a DW build. You don't need as much sustain compared to staff builds which lets you add more damage. Currently you're effectively using 1.5 sustain sets. I tend to use 1.5 damage sets - so yeah, swapping out lich is a good way to go.

Never tried war-maiden but always toyed with the idea of it (I prefer max mag over spell-dmg). Wrath is lightning damage so will not be affected by war-maiden - but when their health gets that low, you probably don't need it anyways..

I also find that mix-matching monster sets for stats is generally better for DW too, and can let you fine-tune your build a bit. I don't think IG hits often enough without a reliable snare.

I find I can up my magica with blue food to about 45 000 and tend to alternate and depending on situation, between Witchmother and tri-food

I tend to run around 50k-52k mag and 2500 spelldmg (buffed). Can push to 3k spelldmg if I totally sacrifice sustain - but that's with pets.

Wow, the last time I saw 50k mag was when I got Emp lol.

GrigorijMalahevich · October 2017

I run now in nocp destro mastery + lich and 3 cost reduction glyphs... if destro mastery would remove that useless spell crit and swap it for another magicka bonus - that would be great.

I would imagine swapping destro mastery for shackle would allow me to use witchmother and get extra 450 mag regen (with shackle bonus) which would allow me to use 1-2 spell damage glyphs, but I would have 1500 less magicka, can't say it is really worth it...

Still using infernal though, can't be aksed to farm Domi or whatever it is called

Biro123 · October 2017

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

You DEFINTIELY need more damage on a DW build. You don't need as much sustain compared to staff builds which lets you add more damage. Currently you're effectively using 1.5 sustain sets. I tend to use 1.5 damage sets - so yeah, swapping out lich is a good way to go.

Never tried war-maiden but always toyed with the idea of it (I prefer max mag over spell-dmg). Wrath is lightning damage so will not be affected by war-maiden - but when their health gets that low, you probably don't need it anyways..

I also find that mix-matching monster sets for stats is generally better for DW too, and can let you fine-tune your build a bit. I don't think IG hits often enough without a reliable snare.

I find I can up my magica with blue food to about 45 000 and tend to alternate and depending on situation, between Witchmother and tri-food

I tend to run around 50k-52k mag and 2500 spelldmg (buffed). Can push to 3k spelldmg if I totally sacrifice sustain - but that's with pets.

Wow, the last time I saw 50k mag was when I got Emp lol.

Its pretty easy to get, to be fair. Full Necropotence(infused on the big pieces), max mag monster pieces, inner light, mage mundus, tri-food and a max mag bonus or 2 from your other set (could be shackle, spinners, julianos..)

My favourite for last patch (haven't redone it yet for CWC) was a simple necro/shacklebreaker and 1 shadowrend (for a little more mag recov) with witchmothers.
It dropped the max mag a little (49.5k) but sustain was absolutely fine (both mag and stam). Back bar had less mag tho - just due to missing inner-light. Can run the same setup with staff too.

ToRelax · October 2017

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

Mage's Wrath (why not Endless Fury?) is shock damage. More importantly, what ultimates do you commonly use? The only magic damage ultimates Sorc gets are Soul Strike and Oppression Field (Negate), the bonus damage from Light's Champion would also be increased with War Maiden.

Hi,

Using Wrath as people tend to bottle neck at keeps and this way I can hit more flies with one swat lol.

I use Empowered Ward For the magic return (10% recovery for 10 sec) that I lost by not slotting Fury and I swap ulti between
Suppresion field (gaurds at flags), Shooting star (for open world timed with rune gage and frags)

Light's Champion is always on my back bar

Oh, now I typed the name wrong myself.

Well, Shooting Star isn't buffed by War Maiden, but it might still be a good option, as Curse and Fragments are affected.
Otherwise the only reliable dropped damage sets that would work for your build are Spinner and Treasure Hunter (unless you get Major Prophecy by other means already).

If you were going to switch your entire setup around and use another crafted set instead of Shacklebreaker, then you could try Clever Alchemist or Mechanical Acuity. But the former won't be up most of the time and the latter requires to react immediately once the buff appears and preferably already have Curse on your target, so it's not likely to work open world.
Innate Axiom would have the same limitations as War Maiden.

GrigorijMalahevich · October 2017

Maulkin wrote: »

Irrelevant to this thread but I wanted to share my funny story about Lich. I was through what must have been my 100th run through Crypt of Hearts to get my Lich Resto staff when it finally dropped it and then this conversation transpired with a random dude.

Dude: OMG you dropped Lich resto! I need that badly. I'll buy it off you.
Me: Errm alright, that's what I'm in here for too. How much are you offering?
Dude: 4k
Me: Dude.... I'm like a 100 runs deep for this Resto. You'd think I give it away for 4k?
Dude: And I'm 200 runs deep!
Me: So you want it badly enough to do 200 runs, but you're only offering 4k?
Me: C'mon, if you really want it make me your best offer
Dude: 5k
Me:

Haha, I got by lich resto in 5th run (decisive though) and lich s&b in about 20 runs.

However, did around 250-300 runs of CoA to get bsw inferno sharp for my magdk... Offered one guy 700k, but he said that it was his 300ish run

now bsw infused staff is quite cool
The struggle was real!

Lord_Etrigan · October 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

You DEFINTIELY need more damage on a DW build. You don't need as much sustain compared to staff builds which lets you add more damage. Currently you're effectively using 1.5 sustain sets. I tend to use 1.5 damage sets - so yeah, swapping out lich is a good way to go.

Never tried war-maiden but always toyed with the idea of it (I prefer max mag over spell-dmg). Wrath is lightning damage so will not be affected by war-maiden - but when their health gets that low, you probably don't need it anyways..

I also find that mix-matching monster sets for stats is generally better for DW too, and can let you fine-tune your build a bit. I don't think IG hits often enough without a reliable snare.

I find I can up my magica with blue food to about 45 000 and tend to alternate and depending on situation, between Witchmother and tri-food

I tend to run around 50k-52k mag and 2500 spelldmg (buffed). Can push to 3k spelldmg if I totally sacrifice sustain - but that's with pets.

Wow, the last time I saw 50k mag was when I got Emp lol.

Its pretty easy to get, to be fair. Full Necropotence(infused on the big pieces), max mag monster pieces, inner light, mage mundus, tri-food and a max mag bonus or 2 from your other set (could be shackle, spinners, julianos..)

My favourite for last patch (haven't redone it yet for CWC) was a simple necro/shacklebreaker and 1 shadowrend (for a little more mag recov) with witchmothers.
It dropped the max mag a little (49.5k) but sustain was absolutely fine (both mag and stam). Back bar had less mag tho - just due to missing inner-light. Can run the same setup with staff too.

To be honest, I never tried julianos in pvp with everyone running impen.I used to run staff both bars but found myself not being able to control how I use my sustain so I swapped over to duel and i'ts like I was born for it lol.You have however inspired me to c how big I can get my magica, sustainability and still be able to dish out the hurt.

Biro123 · October 2017

ToRelax wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

Mage's Wrath (why not Endless Fury?) is shock damage. More importantly, what ultimates do you commonly use? The only magic damage ultimates Sorc gets are Soul Strike and Oppression Field (Negate), the bonus damage from Light's Champion would also be increased with War Maiden.

Hi,

Using Wrath as people tend to bottle neck at keeps and this way I can hit more flies with one swat lol.

I use Empowered Ward For the magic return (10% recovery for 10 sec) that I lost by not slotting Fury and I swap ulti between
Suppresion field (gaurds at flags), Shooting star (for open world timed with rune gage and frags)

Light's Champion is always on my back bar

Oh, now I typed the name wrong myself.

Well, Shooting Star isn't buffed by War Maiden, but it might still be a good option, as Curse and Fragments are affected.
Otherwise the only reliable dropped damage sets that would work for your build are Spinner and Treasure Hunter (unless you get Major Prophecy by other means already).

If you were going to switch your entire setup around and use another crafted set instead of Shacklebreaker, then you could try Clever Alchemist or Mechanical Acuity. But the former won't be up most of the time and the latter requires to react immediately once the buff appears and preferably already have Curse on your target, so it's not likely to work open world.
Innate Axiom would have the same limitations as War Maiden.

Or another option (if you have the gear)- making full use of the extra DW slot..
5 shackle(body), 4 necro(2 body, 2 jewels), 3 willpower (2 swords, 1 jewel), willpower resto.

Braedon998 · October 2017

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

5pc shackle, 4 pc necro, monster of choice has been my set up lately.

4 Necro, 5 Shackle, 1 Shadowrend, 1 chokethorn, 6 light, 1 heavy, three dmg glyphs on jewelry is what i run

Lord_Etrigan · October 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

Mage's Wrath (why not Endless Fury?) is shock damage. More importantly, what ultimates do you commonly use? The only magic damage ultimates Sorc gets are Soul Strike and Oppression Field (Negate), the bonus damage from Light's Champion would also be increased with War Maiden.

Hi,

Using Wrath as people tend to bottle neck at keeps and this way I can hit more flies with one swat lol.

I use Empowered Ward For the magic return (10% recovery for 10 sec) that I lost by not slotting Fury and I swap ulti between
Suppresion field (gaurds at flags), Shooting star (for open world timed with rune gage and frags)

Light's Champion is always on my back bar

Oh, now I typed the name wrong myself.

Well, Shooting Star isn't buffed by War Maiden, but it might still be a good option, as Curse and Fragments are affected.
Otherwise the only reliable dropped damage sets that would work for your build are Spinner and Treasure Hunter (unless you get Major Prophecy by other means already).

If you were going to switch your entire setup around and use another crafted set instead of Shacklebreaker, then you could try Clever Alchemist or Mechanical Acuity. But the former won't be up most of the time and the latter requires to react immediately once the buff appears and preferably already have Curse on your target, so it's not likely to work open world.
Innate Axiom would have the same limitations as War Maiden.

Or another option (if you have the gear)- making full use of the extra DW slot..
5 shackle(body), 4 necro(2 body, 2 jewels), 3 willpower (2 swords, 1 jewel), willpower resto.

Thanks, Im a hoarder lol. so I definitely have the gear.
Will try tonight and c how it performs.

DeHei · October 2017

Amberplasm + shacklebreaker work fine

ToRelax · October 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

Mage's Wrath (why not Endless Fury?) is shock damage. More importantly, what ultimates do you commonly use? The only magic damage ultimates Sorc gets are Soul Strike and Oppression Field (Negate), the bonus damage from Light's Champion would also be increased with War Maiden.

Hi,

Using Wrath as people tend to bottle neck at keeps and this way I can hit more flies with one swat lol.

I use Empowered Ward For the magic return (10% recovery for 10 sec) that I lost by not slotting Fury and I swap ulti between
Suppresion field (gaurds at flags), Shooting star (for open world timed with rune gage and frags)

Light's Champion is always on my back bar

Oh, now I typed the name wrong myself.

Well, Shooting Star isn't buffed by War Maiden, but it might still be a good option, as Curse and Fragments are affected.
Otherwise the only reliable dropped damage sets that would work for your build are Spinner and Treasure Hunter (unless you get Major Prophecy by other means already).

If you were going to switch your entire setup around and use another crafted set instead of Shacklebreaker, then you could try Clever Alchemist or Mechanical Acuity. But the former won't be up most of the time and the latter requires to react immediately once the buff appears and preferably already have Curse on your target, so it's not likely to work open world.
Innate Axiom would have the same limitations as War Maiden.

Or another option (if you have the gear)- making full use of the extra DW slot..
5 shackle(body), 4 necro(2 body, 2 jewels), 3 willpower (2 swords, 1 jewel), willpower resto.

You would get another stam bonus with 5 Shackle (body), 3 Willpower (jewelry), 1 Domihaus, 1 other max mag monster piece, 2 Swords with another max mag bonus.

Then you can switch the 2nd monster piece and the sword set if you want something else. If sustain is fine, the monster piece should probably stay max mag, but you can use a spell damage bonus on the swords since you lose it on resto.

These setups just mean giving up Infernal Guardian.

Biro123 · October 2017

ToRelax wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Hey guys,

Been reading this Thread with interest.

I’m running duel wield sorcerer with resto on back. My sets are 5 litch and 5 Shackle with Infernal Guardian set. (Infused on big and impen on small (will be changing to divines since my shield is always up)

My Stats: 43 000 magica, 2200 magica recovery and 1800 spell damage before buff.

Front bar: Rune Cage due to the nerf coming to frags and I might as well get use to adding it to my combo, Mage wrath (Not sure if this is magic damage or not), frags (Magic damage), Structured Entropy (Magic damage), Haunting Curse (Magic damage),

I have been thinking of swapping out litch with War Maiden due to following:

(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magica
(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 Items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities

Is this the right way to go as far as upping my dps or is it the wrong set for my type of build.

Mage's Wrath (why not Endless Fury?) is shock damage. More importantly, what ultimates do you commonly use? The only magic damage ultimates Sorc gets are Soul Strike and Oppression Field (Negate), the bonus damage from Light's Champion would also be increased with War Maiden.

Hi,

Using Wrath as people tend to bottle neck at keeps and this way I can hit more flies with one swat lol.

I use Empowered Ward For the magic return (10% recovery for 10 sec) that I lost by not slotting Fury and I swap ulti between
Suppresion field (gaurds at flags), Shooting star (for open world timed with rune gage and frags)

Light's Champion is always on my back bar

Oh, now I typed the name wrong myself.

Well, Shooting Star isn't buffed by War Maiden, but it might still be a good option, as Curse and Fragments are affected.
Otherwise the only reliable dropped damage sets that would work for your build are Spinner and Treasure Hunter (unless you get Major Prophecy by other means already).

If you were going to switch your entire setup around and use another crafted set instead of Shacklebreaker, then you could try Clever Alchemist or Mechanical Acuity. But the former won't be up most of the time and the latter requires to react immediately once the buff appears and preferably already have Curse on your target, so it's not likely to work open world.
Innate Axiom would have the same limitations as War Maiden.

Or another option (if you have the gear)- making full use of the extra DW slot..
5 shackle(body), 4 necro(2 body, 2 jewels), 3 willpower (2 swords, 1 jewel), willpower resto.

You would get another stam bonus with 5 Shackle (body), 3 Willpower (jewelry), 1 Domihaus, 1 other max mag monster piece, 2 Swords with another max mag bonus.

Then you can switch the 2nd monster piece and the sword set if you want something else. If sustain is fine, the monster piece should probably stay max mag, but you can use a spell damage bonus on the swords since you lose it on resto.

These setups just mean giving up Infernal Guardian.

Effectively dropping a necropotence piece for domihaus to get extra stam? yeah, that would be better..
And then yes, as you say, could go further and drop another if required for a 2nd monster piece if you want to swap a max-mag bonus for something else.. So yeah, options :-)

Maulkin · October 2017

Valera Progib wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

Irrelevant to this thread but I wanted to share my funny story about Lich. I was through what must have been my 100th run through Crypt of Hearts to get my Lich Resto staff when it finally dropped it and then this conversation transpired with a random dude.

Dude: OMG you dropped Lich resto! I need that badly. I'll buy it off you.
Me: Errm alright, that's what I'm in here for too. How much are you offering?
Dude: 4k
Me: Dude.... I'm like a 100 runs deep for this Resto. You'd think I give it away for 4k?
Dude: And I'm 200 runs deep!
Me: So you want it badly enough to do 200 runs, but you're only offering 4k?
Me: C'mon, if you really want it make me your best offer
Dude: 5k
Me:

Haha, I got by lich resto in 5th run (decisive though) and lich s&b in about 20 runs.

However, did around 250-300 runs of CoA to get bsw inferno sharp for my magdk... Offered one guy 700k, but he said that it was his 300ish run now bsw infused staff is quite cool
The struggle was real!

700k is a great offer, I would have accepted probably half that. But the dude was like... yeah I did 200 runs with no luck, but can I buy it for 5k? I would have found the offer offensive if it wasn't so funny.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · November 2017

Maulkin wrote: »

Irrelevant to this thread but I wanted to share my funny story about Lich. I was through what must have been my 100th run through Crypt of Hearts to get my Lich Resto staff when it finally dropped it and then this conversation transpired with a random dude.

Dude: OMG you dropped Lich resto! I need that badly. I'll buy it off you.
Me: Errm alright, that's what I'm in here for too. How much are you offering?
Dude: 4k
Me: Dude.... I'm like a 100 runs deep for this Resto. You'd think I give it away for 4k?
Dude: And I'm 200 runs deep!
Me: So you want it badly enough to do 200 runs, but you're only offering 4k?
Me: C'mon, if you really want it make me your best offer
Dude: 5k
Me:

I offered 500k to a guildmate for a defending lich resto staff when it dropped. I got denied. Haha. Which reminds me, I have several in bad traits and now we can do something about that.

Also, lots of debate here about Amber vs. Shackle. Am I the only one that runs both? Havent been doing it that long, but I have been going Amber, Shackle, Domhiaus, Witchmothers recently. Sustain is simply not an issue and with 3 spell damage enchants on my jewelry, I hit plenty hard. I have even considered dumping witchmothers for blue magic health. Unless I am spamming streak, I dont see my magic below 50% pretty much ever. Not too mention, I have 1500 stamina with almost 1200 stam recovery. I can roll dodge and break free for days. It has allowed me to ditch dark conversion for rune cage now that we lost our knockdown from frags. It might be overkill on sustain, but I think I am okay with that.

Edit:

DeHei wrote: »

Amberplasm + shacklebreaker work fine

Just saw that. Knew I wasnt the only one. Way too obvious. Haha

grannas211 · November 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

Irrelevant to this thread but I wanted to share my funny story about Lich. I was through what must have been my 100th run through Crypt of Hearts to get my Lich Resto staff when it finally dropped it and then this conversation transpired with a random dude.

Dude: OMG you dropped Lich resto! I need that badly. I'll buy it off you.
Me: Errm alright, that's what I'm in here for too. How much are you offering?
Dude: 4k
Me: Dude.... I'm like a 100 runs deep for this Resto. You'd think I give it away for 4k?
Dude: And I'm 200 runs deep!
Me: So you want it badly enough to do 200 runs, but you're only offering 4k?
Me: C'mon, if you really want it make me your best offer
Dude: 5k
Me:

I offered 500k to a guildmate for a defending lich resto staff when it dropped. I got denied. Haha. Which reminds me, I have several in bad traits and now we can do something about that.

Also, lots of debate here about Amber vs. Shackle. Am I the only one that runs both? Havent been doing it that long, but I have been going Amber, Shackle, Domhiaus, Witchmothers recently. Sustain is simply not an issue and with 3 spell damage enchants on my jewelry, I hit plenty hard. I have even considered dumping witchmothers for blue magic health. Unless I am spamming streak, I dont see my magic below 50% pretty much ever. Not too mention, I have 1500 stamina with almost 1200 stam recovery. I can roll dodge and break free for days. It has allowed me to ditch dark conversion for rune cage now that we lost our knockdown from frags. It might be overkill on sustain, but I think I am okay with that.

Edit:

DeHei wrote: »

Amberplasm + shacklebreaker work fine

Just saw that. Knew I wasnt the only one. Way too obvious. Haha

Amber plus shackle plus domi I've been using for the past month or so once I got my Amberplasm necklace finally. It's a good balance of sustain and damage plus amazing stamina.

Methariorn · November 2017

The top is when you farm in normal for the 4893727 time and random lv 20 player drop the weapon you are looking at...happened to me a couple of time.