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General Store
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Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Because the game has no Auction house, many that I know don't buy stuff.
As to the BS about how guild leaders are paying out....lol! It is well documented how much is made per slave in the guild.
People fight the auction house idea because it harms their monopoly...we know it...they know it....
Roughly 6 mil per bid in prime locations. So yeah they are paying out. Ibe seen auction houses go bad so no has nothing to do with a monopoly.I'm in 4 trade guilds and make plenty per week. And the taxes they make aren't near enough to cover bids.
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Stinkyremy wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!
Lol
I don't mean we bid on an item, I just mean a general store where we can go and sell our gear at prices we want, same as a guild store but without the hassle of having to deal with the guild crap and it not having a definite place.
Atm you could fill up the guild store of items that would normally sell in a day if they were in 1 of the major cities but your guild lost the trader bid this week so they are now in some random outlaw refuge where no one ever looks at the stores.
A permanent place for us to sell our good at fair prices without having to deal with all the guild politics and money grabbing is all I ask.
That is an auction house and would lead to common items becoming all but worthless and rare items priced beyond what casual players could easily afford.
Except that wouldn't happen.
Let me point you in the direction of the GW2 Auction House.Stinkyremy wrote: »disintegr8 wrote: »I've said it before and I'll say it again: Everything for sale in any guild store was obtained by another player and is out there available for anyone to get without having to buy it. If you don't want to buy from a guild store, go and get the item you want yourself.
Why do people buy stuff? Because they'd rather be doing something other than farming and for that they must pay. Nobody is marching you to a guild store at gun point, forcing you buy anything.
Why do I sell in guild stores? Because there will always be people who would rather buy things instead of farm for them. I don't force anyone to buy my stuff.
The only centralized sales feature i want to see is the capacity to search across all guild traders for a particular item. It simply tells you which trader/s has/have what you want and where they are - nothing else, no prices, no quantity.
"search across all guild traders for a particular item"
Well this would lead to the same function as a general guild store, other than in most cases you would be able to buy the item at all because there are a million guilds but only 200 places for a store for them to sell items!
In fact a centralized public store would level out the economy in an instant, everyone will be undercutting all prices of items until it levels.
Of course you could still try to sell your breton motif for 100k but it will never sell.
Guild leaders who have accumulated vast amounts of money to be in prime trader spots every week will no longer be able to monopolize on locations, or items any more.
I sell in guild store, if I come across set items, motifs ect I don't want but others would. I used to sell glyphs too until I was undercut into oblivion.
I can see how an auction house would never be able to sort the mess of the ESO guild trader system but I think a general guild store would actually level everything and make the process of buying and selling items a lot easier for us all.
Forget about the Breton motif. You can't give those away now. With a central market/auction house you are correct common items would drop in price. Material to make low level low grade weapons and armor will become so cheap you might as well just vendor it. Need a Kuta or some Tempering Alloy and good chance you will be paying much more than you are now. The thing about a central location to buy and sell is this. Three people can (and have in other games) manipulate and control the supply and prices of any rare item they wish.
Guild leaders can't monopolize on items and the only reason they get a good location is because they spend hours and hours of time each week motivating and organizing guild members. I am free to sell anything I want at any price I want through the trader in our trade guild.
It would not take much gold at all for a few (very few) people working together to easily control several rare item drops. All they need do is monitor the auction house and purchase whatever item they are wishing to control as soon as it is listed. They then just sit on them for a while and when demand is up release at what ever price they want. Or they could purchase some of the rare items and trickle them back into the market at low prices forcing others to lower their prices. Soon as they feel prices are low enough they start buying and then jack the prices up again to start the whole process over. With guild traders they can not do that. With an auction house it is easy to do.
Not just the Breton motif. Daedric and Ancient Elf used to sell for 20k gold. Now they are around 500. Yet they are still just as rare as they were before.
I have Auction Houses in SWL, GW2 and a somewhat twisted version in BDO, and I much prefer the ESO system for ESO.The Moot Councillor0 -
DarkAedin✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Stinkyremy wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!
Lol
I don't mean we bid on an item, I just mean a general store where we can go and sell our gear at prices we want, same as a guild store but without the hassle of having to deal with the guild crap and it not having a definite place.
Atm you could fill up the guild store of items that would normally sell in a day if they were in 1 of the major cities but your guild lost the trader bid this week so they are now in some random outlaw refuge where no one ever looks at the stores.
A permanent place for us to sell our good at fair prices without having to deal with all the guild politics and money grabbing is all I ask.
That is an auction house and would lead to common items becoming all but worthless and rare items priced beyond what casual players could easily afford.
Except that wouldn't happen.
Let me point you in the direction of the GW2 Auction House.Stinkyremy wrote: »disintegr8 wrote: »I've said it before and I'll say it again: Everything for sale in any guild store was obtained by another player and is out there available for anyone to get without having to buy it. If you don't want to buy from a guild store, go and get the item you want yourself.
Why do people buy stuff? Because they'd rather be doing something other than farming and for that they must pay. Nobody is marching you to a guild store at gun point, forcing you buy anything.
Why do I sell in guild stores? Because there will always be people who would rather buy things instead of farm for them. I don't force anyone to buy my stuff.
The only centralized sales feature i want to see is the capacity to search across all guild traders for a particular item. It simply tells you which trader/s has/have what you want and where they are - nothing else, no prices, no quantity.
"search across all guild traders for a particular item"
Well this would lead to the same function as a general guild store, other than in most cases you would be able to buy the item at all because there are a million guilds but only 200 places for a store for them to sell items!
In fact a centralized public store would level out the economy in an instant, everyone will be undercutting all prices of items until it levels.
Of course you could still try to sell your breton motif for 100k but it will never sell.
Guild leaders who have accumulated vast amounts of money to be in prime trader spots every week will no longer be able to monopolize on locations, or items any more.
I sell in guild store, if I come across set items, motifs ect I don't want but others would. I used to sell glyphs too until I was undercut into oblivion.
I can see how an auction house would never be able to sort the mess of the ESO guild trader system but I think a general guild store would actually level everything and make the process of buying and selling items a lot easier for us all.
Forget about the Breton motif. You can't give those away now. With a central market/auction house you are correct common items would drop in price. Material to make low level low grade weapons and armor will become so cheap you might as well just vendor it. Need a Kuta or some Tempering Alloy and good chance you will be paying much more than you are now. The thing about a central location to buy and sell is this. Three people can (and have in other games) manipulate and control the supply and prices of any rare item they wish.
Guild leaders can't monopolize on items and the only reason they get a good location is because they spend hours and hours of time each week motivating and organizing guild members. I am free to sell anything I want at any price I want through the trader in our trade guild.
It would not take much gold at all for a few (very few) people working together to easily control several rare item drops. All they need do is monitor the auction house and purchase whatever item they are wishing to control as soon as it is listed. They then just sit on them for a while and when demand is up release at what ever price they want. Or they could purchase some of the rare items and trickle them back into the market at low prices forcing others to lower their prices. Soon as they feel prices are low enough they start buying and then jack the prices up again to start the whole process over. With guild traders they can not do that. With an auction house it is easy to do.
Not just the Breton motif. Daedric and Ancient Elf used to sell for 20k gold. Now they are around 500. Yet they are still just as rare as they were before.
I have Auction Houses in SWL, GW2 and a somewhat twisted version in BDO, and I much prefer the ESO system for ESO.
20k? i sold my first @350k then sold several more @250k b4 price dropped. And players were selling for higher b4 me0 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Stinkyremy wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!
Lol
I don't mean we bid on an item, I just mean a general store where we can go and sell our gear at prices we want, same as a guild store but without the hassle of having to deal with the guild crap and it not having a definite place.
Atm you could fill up the guild store of items that would normally sell in a day if they were in 1 of the major cities but your guild lost the trader bid this week so they are now in some random outlaw refuge where no one ever looks at the stores.
A permanent place for us to sell our good at fair prices without having to deal with all the guild politics and money grabbing is all I ask.
That is an auction house and would lead to common items becoming all but worthless and rare items priced beyond what casual players could easily afford.
Except that wouldn't happen.
Let me point you in the direction of the GW2 Auction House.Stinkyremy wrote: »disintegr8 wrote: »I've said it before and I'll say it again: Everything for sale in any guild store was obtained by another player and is out there available for anyone to get without having to buy it. If you don't want to buy from a guild store, go and get the item you want yourself.
Why do people buy stuff? Because they'd rather be doing something other than farming and for that they must pay. Nobody is marching you to a guild store at gun point, forcing you buy anything.
Why do I sell in guild stores? Because there will always be people who would rather buy things instead of farm for them. I don't force anyone to buy my stuff.
The only centralized sales feature i want to see is the capacity to search across all guild traders for a particular item. It simply tells you which trader/s has/have what you want and where they are - nothing else, no prices, no quantity.
"search across all guild traders for a particular item"
Well this would lead to the same function as a general guild store, other than in most cases you would be able to buy the item at all because there are a million guilds but only 200 places for a store for them to sell items!
In fact a centralized public store would level out the economy in an instant, everyone will be undercutting all prices of items until it levels.
Of course you could still try to sell your breton motif for 100k but it will never sell.
Guild leaders who have accumulated vast amounts of money to be in prime trader spots every week will no longer be able to monopolize on locations, or items any more.
I sell in guild store, if I come across set items, motifs ect I don't want but others would. I used to sell glyphs too until I was undercut into oblivion.
I can see how an auction house would never be able to sort the mess of the ESO guild trader system but I think a general guild store would actually level everything and make the process of buying and selling items a lot easier for us all.
Forget about the Breton motif. You can't give those away now. With a central market/auction house you are correct common items would drop in price. Material to make low level low grade weapons and armor will become so cheap you might as well just vendor it. Need a Kuta or some Tempering Alloy and good chance you will be paying much more than you are now. The thing about a central location to buy and sell is this. Three people can (and have in other games) manipulate and control the supply and prices of any rare item they wish.
Guild leaders can't monopolize on items and the only reason they get a good location is because they spend hours and hours of time each week motivating and organizing guild members. I am free to sell anything I want at any price I want through the trader in our trade guild.
It would not take much gold at all for a few (very few) people working together to easily control several rare item drops. All they need do is monitor the auction house and purchase whatever item they are wishing to control as soon as it is listed. They then just sit on them for a while and when demand is up release at what ever price they want. Or they could purchase some of the rare items and trickle them back into the market at low prices forcing others to lower their prices. Soon as they feel prices are low enough they start buying and then jack the prices up again to start the whole process over. With guild traders they can not do that. With an auction house it is easy to do.
Not just the Breton motif. Daedric and Ancient Elf used to sell for 20k gold. Now they are around 500. Yet they are still just as rare as they were before.
I have Auction Houses in SWL, GW2 and a somewhat twisted version in BDO, and I much prefer the ESO system for ESO.
20k? i sold my first @350k then sold several more @250k b4 price dropped. And players were selling for higher b4 me
Well, in those days they were so unattainable to me that I never checked the price until I found doubles. But I remember the blue motifs going for 2k when I found my first two Orc motifs back to back.
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So basically an AH just like every MMO does (very few are actually auctions).Stinkyremy wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!
Lol
I don't mean we bid on an item, I just mean a general store where we can go and sell our gear at prices we want, same as a guild store but without the hassle of having to deal with the guild crap and it not having a definite place.
Precisely. It seems like the OP is getting caught up in the "Auction" part of Auction Hall. All AHs in the MMOs I played in the past had buyout options, and almost everyone enabled buyout when listing items. I can count on maybe one hand the total number of times I bid on AH items in LOTRO that had buyout disabled -- and I played that game for 8 years. I don't have the patience to place bids and keep checking to see if I've been out-bid.
OP's suggestion is a buyout-only AH. Simple. Where did that dead horse gif go, again?
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✭✭✭✭✭A general store wouldn’t solve your concerns. It would just make available a much larger issue you’re refering to.
No one wants one store for everything in real life, this game attempts to offer that logic. Different stores so that people can vary in their offerings
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brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Stinkyremy wrote: »I'm getting fed up of the guild stores extorting money from players while they get rich on our "deposits"
LOL. I pay 10k a week and easily make 10x that. That is not extortion. If you don't know how or forget to sell things though I can see how it might appear to be that way.
Now if you pay 10k each week and the guild isn't getting a trader for several weeks, it's time to pack up and sell elsewhere.0 -
CapnPhoton✭✭✭✭✭Stinkyremy wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!
Lol
I don't mean we bid on an item, I just mean a general store where we can go and sell our gear at prices we want, same as a guild store but without the hassle of having to deal with the guild crap and it not having a definite place.
Atm you could fill up the guild store of items that would normally sell in a day if they were in 1 of the major cities but your guild lost the trader bid this week so they are now in some random outlaw refuge where no one ever looks at the stores.
A permanent place for us to sell our good at fair prices without having to deal with all the guild politics and money grabbing is all I ask.
That is an auction house and would lead to common items becoming all but worthless and rare items priced beyond what casual players could easily afford.
Agreed. Every game I have played with a world connected commerce system was flooded with hundreds of pages for each item. It was next to worthless for sellers and tedious for buyers. It is also not realistic if you think of lore, and the technology in the game. There are no computers, or unified point of sale systems in tamriel, therefore a global auction system is lore breaking. Single stores not connected to one another is more realistic.Xbox One NA Aldmeri Dominion0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Stinkyremy wrote: »I'm getting fed up of the guild stores extorting money from players while they get rich on our "deposits"
LOL. I pay 10k a week and easily make 10x that. That is not extortion. If you don't know how or forget to sell things though I can see how it might appear to be that way.
Now if you pay 10k each week and the guild isn't getting a trader for several weeks, it's time to pack up and sell elsewhere.
I'm in one of the top trading guilds and their minimum is generate 5K for the guild each week. If you sell enough so that the tax the guild gets is over 5K that is good enough. They also have 50/50 raffles and entering one 10k raffle can be all you need do even if you have a bad week and sell nothing. You can also donate items to the auction or as some do you can donate time. People have donated Skyreach runs, two hours farming mats, two hours fishing and other stuff. All that goes into meeting your minimum so generating the 5K each week is really easy to do. Our guild leaders not only spend a lot of time making sure we get a great trader each week they also organize all kinds of events to help keep things fun. I wouldn't try running the guild even if they were willing to let me keep a million gold a week for doing it. The time and headaches involved just wouldn't be worth it to me.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
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✭Yes, the game needs an auction house. It also needs a few other changes:- Permadeath. Your character dies, you have to start a new one.
- Guns. And lots of them. The lore is flexible; they can figure it out.
- Flying mounts. And no no no, not dragons. Large birds or flying carpets will do just fine.
- Parliamentary elections in each alliance.
- New race: Thundercats
- New class: Karate Brown Belt
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