BiS set that works best with 5pc ShackleBreaker? (MagSorc)

grannas211 · October 2017

crusnik91 wrote: »

I recommand u use the new asylum staff as a mag sorc. So basically ur setup will be
2xMonsterHelm (slimcraw for me) 5xShackleBreaker 3xWillpower 1xAsylum staff

Have fun getting that. And no sense using the imperfect version.

Derra · October 2017

@Izaki Slimecraw is not exactly a great set - sadly.

I´ve tested quite a few setups and so far i could not find one where slimecraw would outperform two permanent 5p bonuses (it´s worse than shackle seducer, shackle lich, amber seducer, amber lich, amber julianos).

Brutusmax1mus · October 2017

ToRelax wrote: »

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

Stats for shackle +witch mother are just about the same as Amber+ tri food when you fill in the rest of the pieces.

The main reason why I like Amber better is because in CP I can run mag/health food, which is ideal. So I run amber, 4x necro, 1x domihaus, 1x magicka-monster. I feel necro staves with infused end up better than a vMA/willpower setup, due to larger shields

If you ignore weapon damage, Shacklebreaker and Amberplasm give about the same amount of stats in standard bonuses, whereas Witch Mother's gives definitely worse than trifood. Using Witchmother's is always a case of throwing some stats out the window only to get some of them back by other means. It's not exactly efficient.

Looking at it to compare it easily, and broken down to compare against set bonuses off magicka sets.

Shackle: spell damage, magicka recovery, max magicka (roughly, half of the 5pc here since we're taking about magicka), 5pc 1x max magicka 2x max stamina 1 stamina recovery (excluding Weapon damage)

Amber: max magicka, spell crit, spell damage, 5pc roughly 2x mag regen.

That's how i break it down.
Youre trading spell crit for recovery on the 2 thru 4 pc bonuses by going with shackle. Now compare the 5 pcs:

1k magicka (1k used as 4th pc bonus for easy comparing From a magicka perspective). 2k stamina. 129 stamina recovery.
Vs
250 magicka and stamina regen.

Easy way to look at it. Youre trading 250 magicka recovery and 120 stamina recovery for 1k magicka and 2k stamina.

All together you're trading a spell crit bonus, 120 magicka regen, and 120 stamina regen for 1k magicka and 2k stamina. This is also what you're trading by going shackle and trifood.

Certain Classes benefit from the regen more, others from the max stats. Sorcs, imo, should go with the max stat.

With witch mothers and shackle vs amber and tristat:

you'll lose roughly 1k max magicka from the food, setting it about equal to amber with tristat. You lose 2k stamina You lose 1k hp. You gain 200 magicka recovery. This is by going with shackle witch mothers.

So essentially, by going with shackle witch mothers you are trading spell crit, 1k hp, 2k stamina and 120 stamina regen for 200 magicka recovery.

*personal preference* i don't have stam issues with less max stam and stam recovery, and i prefer regen over crit. However, some times ill run shackle tristat if I'm running dark deal.

Lord-Otto · October 2017

I don't see why you would use tri-stat with Amberplasm. It has 120 points mag recovery over Shackle. That is not worth losing the 320 recovery from Witchmother. Mundus is reserved for Mage or Apprentice, it's harder to get pure damage or stat than recovery.

And after that thought, compare those two again. 120 recovery for both resources on AP, 2k stat on Shackle. Latter is the clear winner UNLESS you Dark Deal. With the new Rune Cage, I'd rather drop that dealing habit.

The other boni are negligible, but I do not like crit set boni in PvP, so I'll personally give Shackle the edge.

Narvuntien · October 2017

No love for Netch's Touch?

Methariorn · October 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

No love for Netch's Touch?

It's very good for pve but the boost to shock damage is no worth in pvp since liquid lithing and elemental blockade don't find an use there and the boost to mage's wrath and the shock component of force pulse is no worth it, beside to use shock blockade to get the bonus you gotta run a shock staff and losing the 8% single target bonus of the flame's one.

Derra · October 2017

ToRelax wrote: »

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

Stats for shackle +witch mother are just about the same as Amber+ tri food when you fill in the rest of the pieces.

The main reason why I like Amber better is because in CP I can run mag/health food, which is ideal. So I run amber, 4x necro, 1x domihaus, 1x magicka-monster. I feel necro staves with infused end up better than a vMA/willpower setup, due to larger shields

If you ignore weapon damage, Shacklebreaker and Amberplasm give about the same amount of stats in standard bonuses, whereas Witch Mother's gives definitely worse than trifood. Using Witchmother's is always a case of throwing some stats out the window only to get some of them back by other means. It's not exactly efficient.

It´s not that easy actually because if you´re looking at it that way a lot of things is "throwing" stats out of the window.
Not fully enchanting hakeijo.
Using any sets that are not shackle, amber, lich.
Not using 1p domi.

It´s more about finding a balance between minimum amount of stamina pool/recovery with minimum amount of magrec and maximum amount of spelldmg/magicapool.
Shackle + 1p domi + witchmother is very good at providing the core stats needed.

Biro123 · October 2017

Derra wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

Stats for shackle +witch mother are just about the same as Amber+ tri food when you fill in the rest of the pieces.

The main reason why I like Amber better is because in CP I can run mag/health food, which is ideal. So I run amber, 4x necro, 1x domihaus, 1x magicka-monster. I feel necro staves with infused end up better than a vMA/willpower setup, due to larger shields

If you ignore weapon damage, Shacklebreaker and Amberplasm give about the same amount of stats in standard bonuses, whereas Witch Mother's gives definitely worse than trifood. Using Witchmother's is always a case of throwing some stats out the window only to get some of them back by other means. It's not exactly efficient.

It´s not that easy actually because if you´re looking at it that way a lot of things is "throwing" stats out of the window.
Not fully enchanting hakeijo.
Using any sets that are not shackle, amber, lich.
Not using 1p domi.

It´s more about finding a balance between minimum amount of stamina pool/recovery with minimum amount of magrec and maximum amount of spelldmg/magicapool.
Shackle + 1p domi + witchmother is very good at providing the core stats needed.

Exactly this..
I mean, in any build, there are stats which you want to maximise, and stats where you want 'just enough'.

This ticks all the boxed for 'just enough' in the stam dept for a magsorc, and also in the mag recov dept.
While also providing 2k mag and a spell-dmg boost - which adds to those 'stats you want to maximise'.

I honestly can't say anything bad about a set/drink combo that provides all the sustain you need while also given 3 damage stat bonuses too! (2 if you take into account the lower mag from drink when compared to tri-food)

The only real downside is that the 5-piece bonus is one you want up all the time (unlike stuff like lich) - which can limit your other gear options.

cschwingeb14_ESO · October 2017

I wonder how many people that use shackle just don't want to farm that f#$&ing dungeon. I know that I've spent a lot of time in there, both in groups and doing the first boss farm to perfect my traits

Biro123 · October 2017

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

I wonder how many people that use shackle just don't want to farm that f#$&ing dungeon. I know that I've spent a lot of time in there, both in groups and doing the first boss farm to perfect my traits

There is that too

WreckfulAbandon · October 2017

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

I wonder how many people that use shackle just don't want to farm that f#$&ing dungeon. I know that I've spent a lot of time in there, both in groups and doing the first boss farm to perfect my traits

What, RoM? After using Amberplasm for months I can say that I prefer the pure stats Shacklebreaker provides. 2k magicka is nothing to scoff at, and if you consider the spell crit bonus on Amber to be forgettable, then Shackle really comes out ahead.

Although I disagree with some that Amber is "too much" stam regen since you're not really sacrificing much for it by running Amber. I mean, you're giving up a bit of max magicka/dmg. If you're at 100% stam a lot of the time, that's your que to dodge roll and sprint a bit more

Brutusmax1mus · October 2017

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

I wonder how many people that use shackle just don't want to farm that f#$&ing dungeon. I know that I've spent a lot of time in there, both in groups and doing the first boss farm to perfect my traits

What, RoM? After using Amberplasm for months I can say that I prefer the pure stats Shacklebreaker provides. 2k magicka is nothing to scoff at, and if you consider the spell crit bonus on Amber to be forgettable, then Shackle really comes out ahead.

Although I disagree with some that Amber is "too much" stam regen since you're not really sacrificing much for it by running Amber. I mean, you're giving up a bit of max magicka/dmg. If you're at 100% stam a lot of the time, that's your que to dodge roll and sprint a bit more

Shackle and amber with jewels of misrule is a ton of fun. Dodge roll forever. I use it with my light armor templar from time to time.

crusnik91 · October 2017

elfantasmo wrote: »

crusnik91 wrote: »

I recommand u use the new asylum staff as a mag sorc. So basically ur setup will be
2xMonsterHelm (slimcraw for me) 5xShackleBreaker 3xWillpower 1xAsylum staff

Is it only worth running the perfected staff?

yea i think so.. 3 secs on non-perfect one is a bit short to time a curse+frag+executed burst. It's not bad but not optimal. for me personally I will farm the perfected one

Betsararie · October 2017

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

I wonder how many people that use shackle just don't want to farm that f#$&ing dungeon. I know that I've spent a lot of time in there, both in groups and doing the first boss farm to perfect my traits

Shackle is better in most cases on mag sorc, the max mag it provides is essential because their shields scale off max mag.

ToRelax · October 2017

Derra wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

Stats for shackle +witch mother are just about the same as Amber+ tri food when you fill in the rest of the pieces.

The main reason why I like Amber better is because in CP I can run mag/health food, which is ideal. So I run amber, 4x necro, 1x domihaus, 1x magicka-monster. I feel necro staves with infused end up better than a vMA/willpower setup, due to larger shields

If you ignore weapon damage, Shacklebreaker and Amberplasm give about the same amount of stats in standard bonuses, whereas Witch Mother's gives definitely worse than trifood. Using Witchmother's is always a case of throwing some stats out the window only to get some of them back by other means. It's not exactly efficient.

It´s not that easy actually because if you´re looking at it that way a lot of things is "throwing" stats out of the window.
Not fully enchanting hakeijo.
Using any sets that are not shackle, amber, lich.
Not using 1p domi.

It´s more about finding a balance between minimum amount of stamina pool/recovery with minimum amount of magrec and maximum amount of spelldmg/magicapool.
Shackle + 1p domi + witchmother is very good at providing the core stats needed.

I know I simplified this. There are a lot of sets you can't compare to these simple stat bonuses as easily though.

Maulkin · October 2017

In this debate about Shackle + Witchmother vs Amber + Tri-Food I’d like to also draw attention to the fact Amber takes away your ability to backbar a set like Wiz Riposte or Lich or Alchemist etc. You are either gonna have Amber on the jewellery, which means no backbar set, or you’ll have it all on the body which means you’re going down the willpower route.

Because If you don’t go down the willpower route and go for another 5p set with jewels you are not only forgoing monster sets but also forgoing 5-1-1 or 6-1 configs and going for 7 light which means loss of stats from Undaunted Mettle. And you either have 1-p Domihaus or a dungeon Destro but not both. Not a good predicament.

And backbar sets with a dungeon destro will give you more mag regen/spell damage (tweakable through enchants) than Amber + Trifood will give you in exhchange for a bit of HP, Stam and Stam Regen. Stats that you can do without basically.

ToRelax · October 2017

Maulkin wrote: »

In this debate about Shackle + Witchmother vs Amber + Tri-Food I’d like to also draw attention to the fact Amber takes away your ability to backbar a set like Wiz Riposte or Lich or Alchemist etc. You are either gonna have Amber on the jewellery, which means no backbar set, or you’ll have it all on the body which means you’re going down the willpower route.

Because If you don’t go down the willpower route and go for another 5p set with jewels you are not only forgoing monster sets but also forgoing 5-1-1 or 6-1 configs and going for 7 light which means loss of stats from Undaunted Mettle. And you either have 1-p Domihaus or a dungeon Destro but not both. Not a good predicament.

And backbar sets with a dungeon destro will give you more mag regen/spell damage (tweakable through enchants) than Amber + Trifood will give you in exhchange for a bit of HP, Stam and Stam Regen. Stats that you can do without basically.

Only comparing Amber and Shackle, both of which are usually doublebared. Lich obviously has an advantage there.

Maulkin · October 2017

ToRelax wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

In this debate about Shackle + Witchmother vs Amber + Tri-Food I’d like to also draw attention to the fact Amber takes away your ability to backbar a set like Wiz Riposte or Lich or Alchemist etc. You are either gonna have Amber on the jewellery, which means no backbar set, or you’ll have it all on the body which means you’re going down the willpower route.

Because If you don’t go down the willpower route and go for another 5p set with jewels you are not only forgoing monster sets but also forgoing 5-1-1 or 6-1 configs and going for 7 light which means loss of stats from Undaunted Mettle. And you either have 1-p Domihaus or a dungeon Destro but not both. Not a good predicament.

And backbar sets with a dungeon destro will give you more mag regen/spell damage (tweakable through enchants) than Amber + Trifood will give you in exhchange for a bit of HP, Stam and Stam Regen. Stats that you can do without basically.

Only comparing Amber and Shackle, both of which are usually doublebared. Lich obviously has an advantage there.

Ye, but like I said, using Amber + Trifood means you either don't backbar a set or you backbar but you lose Undaunted Mettle. So there's more compromises to it than there first appear to be. You have to surrender something that will affect your final stats. Which is a compromise you don't have to make with Shackle.

What 5-piece set do you pair with your Amber?

Lord-Otto · October 2017

Maulkin wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

In this debate about Shackle + Witchmother vs Amber + Tri-Food I’d like to also draw attention to the fact Amber takes away your ability to backbar a set like Wiz Riposte or Lich or Alchemist etc. You are either gonna have Amber on the jewellery, which means no backbar set, or you’ll have it all on the body which means you’re going down the willpower route.

Because If you don’t go down the willpower route and go for another 5p set with jewels you are not only forgoing monster sets but also forgoing 5-1-1 or 6-1 configs and going for 7 light which means loss of stats from Undaunted Mettle. And you either have 1-p Domihaus or a dungeon Destro but not both. Not a good predicament.

And backbar sets with a dungeon destro will give you more mag regen/spell damage (tweakable through enchants) than Amber + Trifood will give you in exhchange for a bit of HP, Stam and Stam Regen. Stats that you can do without basically.

Only comparing Amber and Shackle, both of which are usually doublebared. Lich obviously has an advantage there.

Ye, but like I said, using Amber + Trifood means you either don't backbar a set or you backbar but you lose Undaunted Mettle. So there's more compromises to it than there first appear to be. You have to surrender something that will affect your final stats. Which is a compromise you don't have to make with Shackle.

What 5-piece set do you pair with your Amber?

None.

ToRelax · October 2017

Maulkin wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

In this debate about Shackle + Witchmother vs Amber + Tri-Food I’d like to also draw attention to the fact Amber takes away your ability to backbar a set like Wiz Riposte or Lich or Alchemist etc. You are either gonna have Amber on the jewellery, which means no backbar set, or you’ll have it all on the body which means you’re going down the willpower route.

Because If you don’t go down the willpower route and go for another 5p set with jewels you are not only forgoing monster sets but also forgoing 5-1-1 or 6-1 configs and going for 7 light which means loss of stats from Undaunted Mettle. And you either have 1-p Domihaus or a dungeon Destro but not both. Not a good predicament.

And backbar sets with a dungeon destro will give you more mag regen/spell damage (tweakable through enchants) than Amber + Trifood will give you in exhchange for a bit of HP, Stam and Stam Regen. Stats that you can do without basically.

Only comparing Amber and Shackle, both of which are usually doublebared. Lich obviously has an advantage there.

Ye, but like I said, using Amber + Trifood means you either don't backbar a set or you backbar but you lose Undaunted Mettle. So there's more compromises to it than there first appear to be. You have to surrender something that will affect your final stats. Which is a compromise you don't have to make with Shackle.

What 5-piece set do you pair with your Amber?

Oh right, didn't read correctly. Well the thing is, you can have amber on jewelry and 2 armor pieces and then backbar a set just fine... and combine that with 1 pc monster and master/maelstrom/asylum staff. It's not really worth it in my case because there's no good dropped offensive set that would be worth backbaring that I'm aware of, so you'd have to get damage from glyphs... and I'm not giving up my cost reduction for that. But the stats with amber + lich + 1 domihaus + asylum would be nice. That would be 6 light then.

Betsararie · October 2017

lol, people are arguing amber + trifood vs shackle + with mothers? It actually isn't even a comparison at all shackle + witchmothers is just better and if you haven't switched to it yet, you should.

2 main reasons:

1) Max Magicka > the extra regen (from amber) for mag sorc. Max magicka gives you damage, more resource and SHIELDS which is the only way you're staying alive out there. And all you have to do is enchant 2 jewelry pieces with recovery and you will have enough magicka recovery if you're running shackle. Run nirnhoned front to make up for lost spell damage.

2) You don't need that much stam (from the tri food) and you don't need that much stam regen. Shackle already gives you max stam and a little bit of stam regen. That little bit is enough. It's not your main resource, and as long as you're not sprinting all over the place you'll have plenty of stam. You will already notice it regenerating at a very fast rate with shackle. Add in stam recovery cp and there is NO need for the extra stam regen from amber.

The only other advantage Amber offers is that little bit of crit and the amount it offers is completely insignificant next to what can be achieved with Shackle with mag sorc.

There is no comparison, and I am surprised people are arguing this.

ToRelax · October 2017

Blanco wrote: »

lol, people are arguing amber + trifood vs shackle + with mothers? It actually isn't even a comparison at all shackle + witchmothers is just better and if you haven't switched to it yet, you should.

2 main reasons:

1) Max Magicka > the extra regen (from amber) for mag sorc. Max magicka gives you damage, more resource and SHIELDS which is the only way you're staying alive out there. And all you have to do is enchant 2 jewelry pieces with recovery and you will have enough magicka recovery if you're running shackle. Run nirnhoned front to make up for lost spell damage.

2) You don't need that much stam (from the tri food) and you don't need that much stam regen. Shackle already gives you max stam and a little bit of stam regen. That little bit is enough. It's not your main resource, and as long as you're not sprinting all over the place you'll have plenty of stam. You will already notice it regenerating at a very fast rate with shackle. Add in stam recovery cp and there is NO need for the extra stam regen from amber.

The only other advantage Amber offers is that little bit of crit and the amount it offers is completely insignificant next to what can be achieved with Shackle with mag sorc.

There is no comparison, and I am surprised people are arguing this.

You must be very proud of your build.

Betsararie · October 2017

ToRelax wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

lol, people are arguing amber + trifood vs shackle + with mothers? It actually isn't even a comparison at all shackle + witchmothers is just better and if you haven't switched to it yet, you should.

2 main reasons:

1) Max Magicka > the extra regen (from amber) for mag sorc. Max magicka gives you damage, more resource and SHIELDS which is the only way you're staying alive out there. And all you have to do is enchant 2 jewelry pieces with recovery and you will have enough magicka recovery if you're running shackle. Run nirnhoned front to make up for lost spell damage.

2) You don't need that much stam (from the tri food) and you don't need that much stam regen. Shackle already gives you max stam and a little bit of stam regen. That little bit is enough. It's not your main resource, and as long as you're not sprinting all over the place you'll have plenty of stam. You will already notice it regenerating at a very fast rate with shackle. Add in stam recovery cp and there is NO need for the extra stam regen from amber.

The only other advantage Amber offers is that little bit of crit and the amount it offers is completely insignificant next to what can be achieved with Shackle with mag sorc.

There is no comparison, and I am surprised people are arguing this.

You must be very proud of your build.

Not really proud of it I just know what the best things are to run on the class. lol.

For people who know the class we've moved on from trifood for a while now. lol

Feanor · October 2017

It has been Shackle + back bar Lich with Domihaus helm and Illambris shoulder for me for a while in noCP. I like it.

Maulkin · October 2017

Irrelevant to this thread but I wanted to share my funny story about Lich. I was through what must have been my 100th run through Crypt of Hearts to get my Lich Resto staff when it finally dropped it and then this conversation transpired with a random dude.

Dude: OMG you dropped Lich resto! I need that badly. I'll buy it off you.
Me: Errm alright, that's what I'm in here for too. How much are you offering?
Dude: 4k
Me: Dude.... I'm like a 100 runs deep for this Resto. You'd think I give it away for 4k?
Dude: And I'm 200 runs deep!
Me: So you want it badly enough to do 200 runs, but you're only offering 4k?
Me: C'mon, if you really want it make me your best offer
Dude: 5k
Me:

Derra · October 2017

Blanco wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

lol, people are arguing amber + trifood vs shackle + with mothers? It actually isn't even a comparison at all shackle + witchmothers is just better and if you haven't switched to it yet, you should.

2 main reasons:

1) Max Magicka > the extra regen (from amber) for mag sorc. Max magicka gives you damage, more resource and SHIELDS which is the only way you're staying alive out there. And all you have to do is enchant 2 jewelry pieces with recovery and you will have enough magicka recovery if you're running shackle. Run nirnhoned front to make up for lost spell damage.

2) You don't need that much stam (from the tri food) and you don't need that much stam regen. Shackle already gives you max stam and a little bit of stam regen. That little bit is enough. It's not your main resource, and as long as you're not sprinting all over the place you'll have plenty of stam. You will already notice it regenerating at a very fast rate with shackle. Add in stam recovery cp and there is NO need for the extra stam regen from amber.

The only other advantage Amber offers is that little bit of crit and the amount it offers is completely insignificant next to what can be achieved with Shackle with mag sorc.

There is no comparison, and I am surprised people are arguing this.

You must be very proud of your build.

Not really proud of it I just know what the best things are to run on the class. lol.

For people who know the class we've moved on from trifood for a while now. lol

That´s news to me.

Edit: lol
(Anyone care to explain why we all laughing?)

Lord-Otto · October 2017

Maulkin wrote: »

Irrelevant to this thread but I wanted to share my funny story about Lich. I was through what must have been my 100th run through Crypt of Hearts to get my Lich Resto staff when it finally dropped it and then this conversation transpired with a random dude.

Dude: OMG you dropped Lich resto! I need that badly. I'll buy it off you.
Me: Errm alright, that's what I'm in here for too. How much are you offering?
Dude: 4k
Me: Dude.... I'm like a 100 runs deep for this Resto. You'd think I give it away for 4k?
Dude: And I'm 200 runs deep!
Me: So you want it badly enough to do 200 runs, but you're only offering 4k?
Me: C'mon, if you really want it make me your best offer
Dude: 5k
Me:

Dylora's was priced for a million when it initially dropped.
Despicable how some people lie just to save them a few runs, at the expense of people who really struggle with RNG.
(-.-)

Betsararie · October 2017

Derra wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

lol, people are arguing amber + trifood vs shackle + with mothers? It actually isn't even a comparison at all shackle + witchmothers is just better and if you haven't switched to it yet, you should.

2 main reasons:

1) Max Magicka > the extra regen (from amber) for mag sorc. Max magicka gives you damage, more resource and SHIELDS which is the only way you're staying alive out there. And all you have to do is enchant 2 jewelry pieces with recovery and you will have enough magicka recovery if you're running shackle. Run nirnhoned front to make up for lost spell damage.

2) You don't need that much stam (from the tri food) and you don't need that much stam regen. Shackle already gives you max stam and a little bit of stam regen. That little bit is enough. It's not your main resource, and as long as you're not sprinting all over the place you'll have plenty of stam. You will already notice it regenerating at a very fast rate with shackle. Add in stam recovery cp and there is NO need for the extra stam regen from amber.

The only other advantage Amber offers is that little bit of crit and the amount it offers is completely insignificant next to what can be achieved with Shackle with mag sorc.

There is no comparison, and I am surprised people are arguing this.

You must be very proud of your build.

Not really proud of it I just know what the best things are to run on the class. lol.

For people who know the class we've moved on from trifood for a while now. lol

That´s news to me.

Edit: lol
(Anyone care to explain why we all laughing?)

If you want to learn why what I'm talking about is superior, scroll up and read the post.

What I'm talking about is simply better for the vast majority of people.

ToRelax · October 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

lol, people are arguing amber + trifood vs shackle + with mothers? It actually isn't even a comparison at all shackle + witchmothers is just better and if you haven't switched to it yet, you should.

2 main reasons:

1) Max Magicka > the extra regen (from amber) for mag sorc. Max magicka gives you damage, more resource and SHIELDS which is the only way you're staying alive out there. And all you have to do is enchant 2 jewelry pieces with recovery and you will have enough magicka recovery if you're running shackle. Run nirnhoned front to make up for lost spell damage.

2) You don't need that much stam (from the tri food) and you don't need that much stam regen. Shackle already gives you max stam and a little bit of stam regen. That little bit is enough. It's not your main resource, and as long as you're not sprinting all over the place you'll have plenty of stam. You will already notice it regenerating at a very fast rate with shackle. Add in stam recovery cp and there is NO need for the extra stam regen from amber.

The only other advantage Amber offers is that little bit of crit and the amount it offers is completely insignificant next to what can be achieved with Shackle with mag sorc.

There is no comparison, and I am surprised people are arguing this.

You must be very proud of your build.

Not really proud of it I just know what the best things are to run on the class. lol.

For people who know the class we've moved on from trifood for a while now. lol

That´s news to me.

Edit: lol
(Anyone care to explain why we all laughing?)

If you want to learn why what I'm talking about is superior, scroll up and read the post.

What I'm talking about is simply better for the vast majority of people.

The vast majority /= people who know the class

Biro123 · October 2017

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lol, people are arguing amber + trifood vs shackle + with mothers? It actually isn't even a comparison at all shackle + witchmothers is just better and if you haven't switched to it yet, you should.

2 main reasons:

1) Max Magicka > the extra regen (from amber) for mag sorc. Max magicka gives you damage, more resource and SHIELDS which is the only way you're staying alive out there. And all you have to do is enchant 2 jewelry pieces with recovery and you will have enough magicka recovery if you're running shackle. Run nirnhoned front to make up for lost spell damage.

2) You don't need that much stam (from the tri food) and you don't need that much stam regen. Shackle already gives you max stam and a little bit of stam regen. That little bit is enough. It's not your main resource, and as long as you're not sprinting all over the place you'll have plenty of stam. You will already notice it regenerating at a very fast rate with shackle. Add in stam recovery cp and there is NO need for the extra stam regen from amber.

The only other advantage Amber offers is that little bit of crit and the amount it offers is completely insignificant next to what can be achieved with Shackle with mag sorc.

There is no comparison, and I am surprised people are arguing this.

You must be very proud of your build.

Not really proud of it I just know what the best things are to run on the class. lol.

For people who know the class we've moved on from trifood for a while now. lol

That´s news to me.

Edit: lol
(Anyone care to explain why we all laughing?)

If you want to learn why what I'm talking about is superior, scroll up and read the post.

What I'm talking about is simply better for the vast majority of people.

All depends on the build. Sometimes tri-stat is better, but witchmothers + shackle is a very good combo.