General Store

Stinkyremy · October 2017

Would anyone like to see a server wide general store?
I'm getting fed up of the guild stores extorting money from players while they get rich on our "deposits"
Monopoly players who are single-handedly destroying the economy while selling the gold IRL.
Why do I have to wade through guild after guild of greedy people just to sell a gear drop or surplus mats at fair prices.
The way it works now, it seems the player made economy is dictated by a few people.
A general store, NOT an auction house, would make for a much simpler and fairer system than what we have now. As well as being less time consuming of having to travel around all of tamriel and coldharbour to find what one wants to buy.
Even a localized zone store would be better than the guild store system.
In fact both of these systems could run in tandem.

AzraelKrieg · October 2017

A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!

Stinkyremy · October 2017

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!

Lol
I don't mean we bid on an item, I just mean a general store where we can go and sell our gear at prices we want, same as a guild store but without the hassle of having to deal with the guild crap and it not having a definite place.
Atm you could fill up the guild store of items that would normally sell in a day if they were in 1 of the major cities but your guild lost the trader bid this week so they are now in some random outlaw refuge where no one ever looks at the stores.
A permanent place for us to sell our good at fair prices without having to deal with all the guild politics and money grabbing is all I ask.

AzraelKrieg · October 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!

Lol
I don't mean we bid on an item, I just mean a general store where we can go and sell our gear at prices we want, same as a guild store but without the hassle of having to deal with the guild crap and it not having a definite place.
Atm you could fill up the guild store of items that would normally sell in a day if they were in 1 of the major cities but your guild lost the trader bid this week so they are now in some random outlaw refuge where no one ever looks at the stores.
A permanent place for us to sell our good at fair prices without having to deal with all the guild politics and money grabbing is all I ask.

That sounds exactly like every single Auction House thread ever posted.

kargen27 · October 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!

Lol
I don't mean we bid on an item, I just mean a general store where we can go and sell our gear at prices we want, same as a guild store but without the hassle of having to deal with the guild crap and it not having a definite place.
Atm you could fill up the guild store of items that would normally sell in a day if they were in 1 of the major cities but your guild lost the trader bid this week so they are now in some random outlaw refuge where no one ever looks at the stores.
A permanent place for us to sell our good at fair prices without having to deal with all the guild politics and money grabbing is all I ask.

That is an auction house and would lead to common items becoming all but worthless and rare items priced beyond what casual players could easily afford.

Stinkyremy · October 2017

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!

Lol
I don't mean we bid on an item, I just mean a general store where we can go and sell our gear at prices we want, same as a guild store but without the hassle of having to deal with the guild crap and it not having a definite place.
Atm you could fill up the guild store of items that would normally sell in a day if they were in 1 of the major cities but your guild lost the trader bid this week so they are now in some random outlaw refuge where no one ever looks at the stores.
A permanent place for us to sell our good at fair prices without having to deal with all the guild politics and money grabbing is all I ask.

That sounds exactly like every single Auction House thread ever posted.

But an auction house is an auction, people put there items at a reserve price and other people bid for the item. hence the name auction. (which is still prone to monopolies too)
I am talking about a store. Once you put your item up for sale, there are no bids, no changing of price, unless you relist it. Just the exact same way every guild trader works in ESO but not linked to a guild, an actual in game trader for players to sell items to other players.

disintegr8 · October 2017

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Everything for sale in any guild store was obtained by another player and is out there available for anyone to get without having to buy it. If you don't want to buy from a guild store, go and get the item you want yourself.

Why do people buy stuff? Because they'd rather be doing something other than farming and for that they must pay. Nobody is marching you to a guild store at gun point, forcing you buy anything.
Why do I sell in guild stores? Because there will always be people who would rather buy things instead of farm for them. I don't force anyone to buy my stuff.

The only centralized sales feature i want to see is the capacity to search across all guild traders for a particular item. It simply tells you which trader/s has/have what you want and where they are - nothing else, no prices, no quantity.

FloppyTouch · October 2017

Yep a lot of us already know that a few very rich players and guilds control the in game economy and trade system. These same players are selling gold for real money.

We need to take away this power from the guilds and put it back in the players hands. No one guild should own 5 plus guild traders.

AzraelKrieg · October 2017

That's what it's supposed to mean but it doesn't for so many people. Your General Store idea where everyone can post anything they want at an asking price is literally the same concept everyone that has created an Auction House thread in the past has suggested.

kargen27 · October 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!

Lol
I don't mean we bid on an item, I just mean a general store where we can go and sell our gear at prices we want, same as a guild store but without the hassle of having to deal with the guild crap and it not having a definite place.
Atm you could fill up the guild store of items that would normally sell in a day if they were in 1 of the major cities but your guild lost the trader bid this week so they are now in some random outlaw refuge where no one ever looks at the stores.
A permanent place for us to sell our good at fair prices without having to deal with all the guild politics and money grabbing is all I ask.

That sounds exactly like every single Auction House thread ever posted.

But an auction house is an auction, people put there items at a reserve price and other people bid for the item. hence the name auction. (which is still prone to monopolies too)
I am talking about a store. Once you put your item up for sale, there are no bids, no changing of price, unless you relist it. Just the exact same way every guild trader works in ESO but not linked to a guild, an actual in game trader for players to sell items to other players.

Exactly the same as an auction house. Auction house I set the price and you decide if you want to pay that price by way of bidding. General store I set the price and you decide if you will pay it by way of paying it. Either way first person willing to give me what I ask gets it.

Same thing from the buyers perspective. You state how much you are willing to pay and if what you want falls at or under your price you get it. If your price is below the price set by the seller you miss.

disintegr8 · October 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Yep a lot of us already know that a few very rich players and guilds control the in game economy and trade system. These same players are selling gold for real money.

We need to take away this power from the guilds and put it back in the players hands. No one guild should own 5 plus guild traders.

I sense a revolution - the poor are revolting............ well let's not get personal.

Stinkyremy · October 2017

disintegr8 wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Everything for sale in any guild store was obtained by another player and is out there available for anyone to get without having to buy it. If you don't want to buy from a guild store, go and get the item you want yourself.

Why do people buy stuff? Because they'd rather be doing something other than farming and for that they must pay. Nobody is marching you to a guild store at gun point, forcing you buy anything.
Why do I sell in guild stores? Because there will always be people who would rather buy things instead of farm for them. I don't force anyone to buy my stuff.

The only centralized sales feature i want to see is the capacity to search across all guild traders for a particular item. It simply tells you which trader/s has/have what you want and where they are - nothing else, no prices, no quantity.

"search across all guild traders for a particular item"
Well this would lead to the same function as a general guild store, other than in most cases you would be able to buy the item at all because there are a million guilds but only 200 places for a store for them to sell items!
In fact a centralized public store would level out the economy in an instant, everyone will be undercutting all prices of items until it levels.
Of course you could still try to sell your breton motif for 100k but it will never sell.
Guild leaders who have accumulated vast amounts of money to be in prime trader spots every week will no longer be able to monopolize on locations, or items any more.

I sell in guild store, if I come across set items, motifs ect I don't want but others would. I used to sell glyphs too until I was undercut into oblivion.

I can see how an auction house would never be able to sort the mess of the ESO guild trader system but I think a general guild store would actually level everything and make the process of buying and selling items a lot easier for us all.

kyle.wilson · October 2017

I prefer the current system over a centralized store.
I feel like that if I put in the effort, I can find good deals. I've found some really good deals in far corners of zones and keeps in pvp.

A centralized trader is mostly for people that are either too lazy to put in the legwork, or too antisocial to join a guild.
I have been in several top tier guilds in the past, but I don't have the time anymore to keep the spot in one of those guilds.

With the cut that the best guilds get now, you might be better off selling in chat.

disintegr8 · October 2017

A general store would only artificially set the prices for items regardless of supply and demand or rarity of item.

The capacity to globally search all guild stores for an item would do no harm to item value (as long as price was not included) but it would potentially balance out the value of trading sites. This could have the potential to cheapen the prices of major trading area traders, while making the 'out of the way' traders more viable for trading guilds.

Aren't NPC traders doing what you propose already - offering you 10 gold for an item but selling it to another player for 100 gold?
Do you propose removing the capacity of people to sell things, or forcing them to sell at fixed prices?
Haven't you also killed the farming economy?
No need to harvest raw mats for refining or crafting, just buy them at a reasonable price all day every day. You have just taken away a part of the game that a lot of people enjoy.

BTW - I found the Imperial motif myself but found another one in a trader for 5K - which I sold to my friend at base cost. This proves that you don't have to get ripped off if you don't want to.

MLGProPlayer · October 2017

kargen27 wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!

Lol
I don't mean we bid on an item, I just mean a general store where we can go and sell our gear at prices we want, same as a guild store but without the hassle of having to deal with the guild crap and it not having a definite place.
Atm you could fill up the guild store of items that would normally sell in a day if they were in 1 of the major cities but your guild lost the trader bid this week so they are now in some random outlaw refuge where no one ever looks at the stores.
A permanent place for us to sell our good at fair prices without having to deal with all the guild politics and money grabbing is all I ask.

That is an auction house and would lead to common items becoming all but worthless and rare items priced beyond what casual players could easily afford.

Except that wouldn't happen.

Beardimus · October 2017

Surprised at the lack of dead horse beating memes, forum is slow this morning.

No OP, we don't want one. Utilize the current system efficiently, remove tin foil hat over guild conspiracies and crack on.

AH / Auction Horse / General Store / unified trader / Tamriel-Ebay is not requires and would trash an interesting part of the game as it is currently.

Also - search for Auction House threads to read the million posts about it previously.

AzraelKrieg · October 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

Surprised at the lack of dead horse beating memes, forum is slow this morning.

No OP, we don't want one. Utilize the current system efficiently, remove tin foil hat over guild conspiracies and crack on.

AH / Auction Horse / General Store / unified trader / Tamriel-Ebay is not requires and would trash an interesting part of the game as it is currently.

Also - search for Auction House threads to read the million posts about it previously.

I know. I even tried to summon them.

FloppyTouch · October 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

Surprised at the lack of dead horse beating memes, forum is slow this morning.

No OP, I don’t want one Utilize the current system efficiently, remove tin foil hat over guild conspiracies and crack on.

AH / Auction Horse / General Store / unified trader / Tamriel-Ebay is not requires and would trash an interesting part of the game as it is currently.

Also - search for Auction House threads to read the million posts about it previously.

fixed

NotNormanBates · October 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Yep a lot of us already know that a few very rich players and guilds control the in game economy and trade system. These same players are selling gold for real money.

We need to take away this power from the guilds and put it back in the players hands. No one guild should own 5 plus guild traders.

I dont think you fully realize the devastation to the in-game economy and player base, that would happen as a result of guild stores being removed. As of now its one of there are very money sinks in the game, and without 20-30 guilds spending 3-15 mill a week on traders( and a bunch more spending less than that) gold would be devalued.

As for the comment about a select few making money by stealing from their guilds... Try squeezing 10-15k out of 400ish players a week and see how the math adds up. The few guild leaders I know who have a popular trader, usually end up spending a mil or more of their own gold on the trader each week.

silvermistktralasub17_ESO · October 2017

Just a hint about how much it costs the leaders of guilds to keep the guild stores...they aren't making money on it. One of our guild leaders ends up putting up a large amount of materials every week for the guild auction which helps support our trader. I, personally, put about half a mil in materials to help with the guild auction every week, and also usually am a primary supplier of our guild's furnishing lot. None of the guild masters of big trading guilds are getting rich off of the guilds...trust me on that. Also, when our guild was acquiring tables for the guild-house so that we could get *every craftable table set in the game* in there, our guildmasters were supplying about 500k or more every week just in handling the writ raffle. Thankfully we've got caught up. We have the vouchers for all of the new tables, and our guild has all tables and all mundus stones, but a whole heck of a lot of it was money coming from our guild leaders. So it's not a scam...and some of the best guilds end up spending hoards to get things for convenience for the entire guild.

AzraelKrieg · October 2017

silvermistktralasub17_ESO wrote: »

Just a hint about how much it costs the leaders of guilds to keep the guild stores...they aren't making money on it. One of our guild leaders ends up putting up a large amount of materials every week for the guild auction which helps support our trader. I, personally, put about half a mil in materials to help with the guild auction every week, and also usually am a primary supplier of our guild's furnishing lot. None of the guild masters of big trading guilds are getting rich off of the guilds...trust me on that. Also, when our guild was acquiring tables for the guild-house so that we could get *every craftable table set in the game* in there, our guildmasters were supplying about 500k or more every week just in handling the writ raffle. Thankfully we've got caught up. We have the vouchers for all of the new tables, and our guild has all tables and all mundus stones, but a whole heck of a lot of it was money coming from our guild leaders. So it's not a scam...and some of the best guilds end up spending hoards to get things for convenience for the entire guild.

This. To even get a vendor I will put in the gold I make from selling in another guild's store and from doing writs. And even that is not enough.

Turelus · October 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!

Lol
I don't mean we bid on an item, I just mean a general store where we can go and sell our gear at prices we want, same as a guild store but without the hassle of having to deal with the guild crap and it not having a definite place.

So basically an AH just like every MMO does (very few are actually auctions).

kargen27 · October 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Everything for sale in any guild store was obtained by another player and is out there available for anyone to get without having to buy it. If you don't want to buy from a guild store, go and get the item you want yourself.

Why do people buy stuff? Because they'd rather be doing something other than farming and for that they must pay. Nobody is marching you to a guild store at gun point, forcing you buy anything.
Why do I sell in guild stores? Because there will always be people who would rather buy things instead of farm for them. I don't force anyone to buy my stuff.

The only centralized sales feature i want to see is the capacity to search across all guild traders for a particular item. It simply tells you which trader/s has/have what you want and where they are - nothing else, no prices, no quantity.

"search across all guild traders for a particular item"
Well this would lead to the same function as a general guild store, other than in most cases you would be able to buy the item at all because there are a million guilds but only 200 places for a store for them to sell items!
In fact a centralized public store would level out the economy in an instant, everyone will be undercutting all prices of items until it levels.
Of course you could still try to sell your breton motif for 100k but it will never sell.
Guild leaders who have accumulated vast amounts of money to be in prime trader spots every week will no longer be able to monopolize on locations, or items any more.

I sell in guild store, if I come across set items, motifs ect I don't want but others would. I used to sell glyphs too until I was undercut into oblivion.

I can see how an auction house would never be able to sort the mess of the ESO guild trader system but I think a general guild store would actually level everything and make the process of buying and selling items a lot easier for us all.

Forget about the Breton motif. You can't give those away now. With a central market/auction house you are correct common items would drop in price. Material to make low level low grade weapons and armor will become so cheap you might as well just vendor it. Need a Kuta or some Tempering Alloy and good chance you will be paying much more than you are now. The thing about a central location to buy and sell is this. Three people can (and have in other games) manipulate and control the supply and prices of any rare item they wish.
Guild leaders can't monopolize on items and the only reason they get a good location is because they spend hours and hours of time each week motivating and organizing guild members. I am free to sell anything I want at any price I want through the trader in our trade guild.
It would not take much gold at all for a few (very few) people working together to easily control several rare item drops. All they need do is monitor the auction house and purchase whatever item they are wishing to control as soon as it is listed. They then just sit on them for a while and when demand is up release at what ever price they want. Or they could purchase some of the rare items and trickle them back into the market at low prices forcing others to lower their prices. Soon as they feel prices are low enough they start buying and then jack the prices up again to start the whole process over. With guild traders they can not do that. With an auction house it is easy to do.

Stopnaggin · October 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

A general store sounds goo... Wait a minute. This sounds exactly like an auction house thread. GET THE HORSES! THEY AREN'T QUITE DEAD YET!

Lol
I don't mean we bid on an item, I just mean a general store where we can go and sell our gear at prices we want, same as a guild store but without the hassle of having to deal with the guild crap and it not having a definite place.
Atm you could fill up the guild store of items that would normally sell in a day if they were in 1 of the major cities but your guild lost the trader bid this week so they are now in some random outlaw refuge where no one ever looks at the stores.
A permanent place for us to sell our good at fair prices without having to deal with all the guild politics and money grabbing is all I ask.

And how would that be different than the kiosks? I set my prices, not the guild. The market dictates prices not guilds.

Stopnaggin · October 2017

kargen27 wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Everything for sale in any guild store was obtained by another player and is out there available for anyone to get without having to buy it. If you don't want to buy from a guild store, go and get the item you want yourself.

Why do people buy stuff? Because they'd rather be doing something other than farming and for that they must pay. Nobody is marching you to a guild store at gun point, forcing you buy anything.
Why do I sell in guild stores? Because there will always be people who would rather buy things instead of farm for them. I don't force anyone to buy my stuff.

The only centralized sales feature i want to see is the capacity to search across all guild traders for a particular item. It simply tells you which trader/s has/have what you want and where they are - nothing else, no prices, no quantity.

"search across all guild traders for a particular item"
Well this would lead to the same function as a general guild store, other than in most cases you would be able to buy the item at all because there are a million guilds but only 200 places for a store for them to sell items!
In fact a centralized public store would level out the economy in an instant, everyone will be undercutting all prices of items until it levels.
Of course you could still try to sell your breton motif for 100k but it will never sell.
Guild leaders who have accumulated vast amounts of money to be in prime trader spots every week will no longer be able to monopolize on locations, or items any more.

I sell in guild store, if I come across set items, motifs ect I don't want but others would. I used to sell glyphs too until I was undercut into oblivion.

I can see how an auction house would never be able to sort the mess of the ESO guild trader system but I think a general guild store would actually level everything and make the process of buying and selling items a lot easier for us all.

Forget about the Breton motif. You can't give those away now. With a central market/auction house you are correct common items would drop in price. Material to make low level low grade weapons and armor will become so cheap you might as well just vendor it. Need a Kuta or some Tempering Alloy and good chance you will be paying much more than you are now. The thing about a central location to buy and sell is this. Three people can (and have in other games) manipulate and control the supply and prices of any rare item they wish.
Guild leaders can't monopolize on items and the only reason they get a good location is because they spend hours and hours of time each week motivating and organizing guild members. I am free to sell anything I want at any price I want through the trader in our trade guild.
It would not take much gold at all for a few (very few) people working together to easily control several rare item drops. All they need do is monitor the auction house and purchase whatever item they are wishing to control as soon as it is listed. They then just sit on them for a while and when demand is up release at what ever price they want. Or they could purchase some of the rare items and trickle them back into the market at low prices forcing others to lower their prices. Soon as they feel prices are low enough they start buying and then jack the prices up again to start the whole process over. With guild traders they can not do that. With an auction house it is easy to do.

Someone gets it. ^^^^

Nestor · October 2017

Can you imagine the inflation if we did not have the Guild Kiosk System? The amount of gold that gets sucked out of the game each week has to be contributing to the price stability.

The only way NPC Vendors could be designated to sell Player supplied items is to have a huge 30% to 40% tax on the sale. Even then, I think there are some technical limitations to placing all items for sale in one database. It could be that it just can't be done. So, if that is the case, then everyone will be limited to 10 or 15 items per store, with some upper limit on top of that.

So, guess what, your still running around looking for stuff, but your also including the NPC Vendors in the mix too.

Banana · October 2017

A rename might fool ZOS into implemeting one

Stopnaggin · October 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Yep a lot of us already know that a few very rich players and guilds control the in game economy and trade system. These same players are selling gold for real money.

We need to take away this power from the guilds and put it back in the players hands. No one guild should own 5 plus guild traders.

Ok so you want to take power away from guilds. Now you put that power into the hands of the very same people you think are controlling the economy and give them an easier route to controlling the economy.

Instead of having to travel to get items to sell they can now go to one centralized spot. Some item would go so low it wouldnt even be worth selling. Others would be much higher because a few individuals could now corner certain high demand items. I could easily see tempers hitting 30k +. Take those guys that 5 guilds and now without gold sink in the form of traders, and you have essiently given them more power to control the market.

Artanisul · October 2017

Because the game has no Auction house, many that I know don't buy stuff.
As to the BS about how guild leaders are paying out....lol! It is well documented how much is made per slave in the guild.

People fight the auction house idea because it harms their monopoly...we know it...they know it....

PlagueSD · October 2017

disintegr8 · October 2017

Artanisul wrote: »

Because the game has no Auction house, many that I know don't buy stuff.
As to the BS about how guild leaders are paying out....lol! It is well documented how much is made per slave in the guild.

People fight the auction house idea because it harms their monopoly...we know it...they know it....

I guess you check under the bed for reds as well....