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BiS set that works best with 5pc ShackleBreaker? (MagSorc)
So I'v been asking around and couldn't get a straight answer, got 10 different answers from 10 different people haha, seems like everybody has different opinion about this and couldn't find a consensus pick for the best set that combines with 5 Shackle for the MagSorc unfortunately
So to the MagSorc pros out there who wouldn't mind helping, Whats the BiS set that goes along with 5 ShackleBreaker for a MagSorc in PVP for a 1v1 and 1vX build?
Edited by xSylvanasWindrunner on October 21, 2017 9:21AM So to the MagSorc pros out there who wouldn't mind helping, Whats the BiS set that goes along with 5 ShackleBreaker for a MagSorc in PVP for a 1v1 and 1vX build?
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Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is no such thing as bis in PvP, its down to playstyle and personal preference. Which is why you will always get 10 different answers.Edited by Biro123 on October 21, 2017 9:27AMMinalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭✭✭But the way I see it, the stam you get from shackle means you don't need to run tri-stat food, and can instead use witchmothers.
That's most (not all)of your sustain sorted - at least for cp.
So your other gear can be a damage set.
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But the way I see it, the stam you get from shackle means you don't need to run tri-stat food, and can instead use witchmothers.
That's most (not all)of your sustain sorted - at least for cp.
So your other gear can be a damage set.
I def agree with this thought process, the question is which one because there are many great damage set like Spinners or Julilanos and I'm really not sure which one works best for PVP because I'm not really experienced0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Can’t go wrong with the extra crit from Julianos.
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✭✭xSylvanasWindrunner wrote: »
The truly experienced players are where opinions differ, actually, because they are the ones able to theorycraft builds tailored to their personal playstyle.
Shacklebreaker is often combined with Witchmother's Brew... I would try to avoid the latter because it's a stat loss and thus have no use for the former.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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✭Shackle amber, shackle scathing, shackle wizards are all combos I've tried with 1 pc domihaus. I prefer the monster sets, so the best 4 pc for a sorc is necro imo. Shields strength, gas tank, and damage.
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Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Shackle amber, shackle scathing, shackle wizards are all combos I've tried with 1 pc domihaus. I prefer the monster sets, so the best 4 pc for a sorc is necro imo. Shields strength, gas tank, and damage.
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✭✭✭✭xSylvanasWindrunner wrote: »But the way I see it, the stam you get from shackle means you don't need to run tri-stat food, and can instead use witchmothers.
That's most (not all)of your sustain sorted - at least for cp.
So your other gear can be a damage set.
I def agree with this thought process, the question is which one because there are many great damage set like Spinners or Julilanos and I'm really not sure which one works best for PVP because I'm not really experienced
OK, so some options (some already mentioned)
5 Necropotence (I use this on my pet build with shackle), 1 monster.
4 necropotence (non pet), 2 monster.
5 spinners (1 monster)
Or going DW opens more options (like 5 necro and shadowrend)
There are probably others, but struggling to think of them at the most. Can't use julianos (as someone mentioned), cos its crafted and you need jewellery.
But others may prefer more sustain or defence and look at wizards reposte or amberplasm.
Edited by Biro123 on October 21, 2017 11:46AMMinalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭I really don't see why people would prefer Shackle over Amberplasm. Shackle + Witchmother is basically losing stats and then making up for those stats, so in the end, you've basically got less overall damage and resources.
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✭xSylvanasWindrunner wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Shackle amber, shackle scathing, shackle wizards are all combos I've tried with 1 pc domihaus. I prefer the monster sets, so the best 4 pc for a sorc is necro imo. Shields strength, gas tank, and damage.
Cool great to know thanks, mind if I ask what Monster Masks you prefer?
I love engine guardian, i play on ps4 and i like it for its targeting disruption just as much as its sustain. I only use it when i play solo though.
Infernal guardian or even grothdar can add some great defenses ave offense. I prefer ig over groth. Might change next patch when frags no longer stun. The stun atm pretty much makes at least 2 hit. I'm larger fights, the people it targets may not be as aware as they are playing in the back for a reason most likely, so switch gears for a heavy attack/ frag on those snipers and being em for easily.
Duels i love shadow rend.
Slime craw is all around good for offense.
I've even used troll king before which is crazy good with shields.1 -
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✭I really don't see why people would prefer Shackle over Amberplasm. Shackle + Witchmother is basically losing stats and then making up for those stats, so in the end, you've basically got less overall damage and resources.
Amberplasm + Willpower + Maelstrom Destro/Master's Resto + Slimecraw is where its at for me personally.
Amber was too much stam sustain for me. What are your stats with that set up?0 -
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✭✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »I really don't see why people would prefer Shackle over Amberplasm. Shackle + Witchmother is basically losing stats and then making up for those stats, so in the end, you've basically got less overall damage and resources.
Amberplasm + Willpower + Maelstrom Destro/Master's Resto + Slimecraw is where its at for me personally.
Amber was too much stam sustain for me. What are your stats with that set up?
That's my view too. (Although I've never farmed a full amber set to try). I feel that shackle/witchmothers gives just the right amount of stam sustain without wasting any stats, yet gives more mag sustain then amber +tri-food.
I guess it depends on whether you want dark exchange to be part of your build or not.Edited by Biro123 on October 21, 2017 12:26PMMinalan owes me a beer.
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✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »I really don't see why people would prefer Shackle over Amberplasm. Shackle + Witchmother is basically losing stats and then making up for those stats, so in the end, you've basically got less overall damage and resources.
Amberplasm + Willpower + Maelstrom Destro/Master's Resto + Slimecraw is where its at for me personally.
Amber was too much stam sustain for me. What are your stats with that set up?
That's my view too. (Although I've never farmed a full amber set to try). I feel that shackle/witchmothers gives just the right amount of stam sustain without wasting any stats, yet gives more mag sustain then amber +tri-food.
I guess it depends on whether you want dark exchange to be part of your build or not.
I actually enjoyed going amber, shackle with jewels of misrule, fully buffed i had 1.7k Stam regen on a mag character and was trolling with roll dodge.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »I really don't see why people would prefer Shackle over Amberplasm. Shackle + Witchmother is basically losing stats and then making up for those stats, so in the end, you've basically got less overall damage and resources.
Amberplasm + Willpower + Maelstrom Destro/Master's Resto + Slimecraw is where its at for me personally.
Amber was too much stam sustain for me. What are your stats with that set up?
That's my view too. (Although I've never farmed a full amber set to try). I feel that shackle/witchmothers gives just the right amount of stam sustain without wasting any stats, yet gives more mag sustain then amber +tri-food.
I guess it depends on whether you want dark exchange to be part of your build or not.
I actually enjoyed going amber, shackle with jewels of misrule, fully buffed i had 1.7k Stam regen on a mag character and was trolling with roll dodge.
I did a similar thing with that same drink and williows. It just struggled too much with the core stats though. Fun to experiment though!Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭✭✭✭I really don't see why people would prefer Shackle over Amberplasm. Shackle + Witchmother is basically losing stats and then making up for those stats, so in the end, you've basically got less overall damage and resources.
Amberplasm + Willpower + Maelstrom Destro/Master's Resto + Slimecraw is where its at for me personally.
I thought Shackle + Witchmother was good for BGs. It's tough running around with a max 8K stam pool.
I used your set-up a lot for Vivek. Gonna have to rethink that once Clockwork city update hits.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
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✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »I really don't see why people would prefer Shackle over Amberplasm. Shackle + Witchmother is basically losing stats and then making up for those stats, so in the end, you've basically got less overall damage and resources.
Amberplasm + Willpower + Maelstrom Destro/Master's Resto + Slimecraw is where its at for me personally.
Amber was too much stam sustain for me. What are your stats with that set up?
I currently don't use Slimecraw, but instead the classic 1 Kena 1 Bloodspawn, simply because I don't have a Slimecraw shoulder and also because I'm more focused on spending my keys on a Velidreth Divines Arm Cops....
40k Magicka, 15k Stamina, 21.5k Health, 2.6k Magicka Recovery, 1.3k Stamina recovery and 3k Spell damage. The sustain is pretty huge, the damage is great, even the healing is great with Dark Conversion and Degeneration.Edited by Izaki on October 21, 2017 1:19PM@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »I really don't see why people would prefer Shackle over Amberplasm. Shackle + Witchmother is basically losing stats and then making up for those stats, so in the end, you've basically got less overall damage and resources.
Amberplasm + Willpower + Maelstrom Destro/Master's Resto + Slimecraw is where its at for me personally.
Amber was too much stam sustain for me. What are your stats with that set up?
I currently don't use Slimecraw, but instead the classic 1 Kena 1 Bloodspawn, simply because I don't have a Slimecraw shoulder and also because I'm more focused on spending my keys on a Velidreth Divines Arm Cops....
40k Magicka, 15k Stamina, 21.5k Health, 2.6k Magicka Recovery, 1.3k Stamina recovery and 3k Spell damage. The sustain is pretty huge, the damage is great, even the healing is great with Dark Conversion and Degeneration.
I'll have to double check, i run infused tristat glyphs on big pieces, but I'm around 45k magicka, 12.5k stam, 23.5k hp, 2k M recovery, 950 S recovery, 3.4k damage with surge and glyph. Impen on the rest. max magicka mundus. That's in 5shackle 4 necro, domi, shadow rend.0 -
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✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »I really don't see why people would prefer Shackle over Amberplasm. Shackle + Witchmother is basically losing stats and then making up for those stats, so in the end, you've basically got less overall damage and resources.
Amberplasm + Willpower + Maelstrom Destro/Master's Resto + Slimecraw is where its at for me personally.
Amber was too much stam sustain for me. What are your stats with that set up?
I currently don't use Slimecraw, but instead the classic 1 Kena 1 Bloodspawn, simply because I don't have a Slimecraw shoulder and also because I'm more focused on spending my keys on a Velidreth Divines Arm Cops....
40k Magicka, 15k Stamina, 21.5k Health, 2.6k Magicka Recovery, 1.3k Stamina recovery and 3k Spell damage. The sustain is pretty huge, the damage is great, even the healing is great with Dark Conversion and Degeneration.
I'll have to double check, i run infused tristat glyphs on big pieces, but I'm around 45k magicka, 12.5k stam, 23.5k hp, 2k M recovery, 950 S recovery, 3.4k damage with surge and glyph. Impen on the rest. max magicka mundus. That's in 5shackle 4 necro, domi, shadow rend.
So the only stat of yours that is higher is the max magicka number and that could easily be fixed by switching my Mundus from Atro to Mage, since I do have too much sustain. I haven't checked the spell damage with a glyph either, but theoretically, it would be 452 * 1.28 = 579, so about 3.6k spell damage. So in the end, most of the stats are pretty much the same, its just the stamina sustain that goes through the roof with Amberplasm and so does the magicka sustain, the spell damage and crit are also higher. So yeah, I still don't see the benefits of running Shackle over Amberplasm...Edited by Izaki on October 22, 2017 11:32AM@ Izaki #PCEU
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budrow✭✭✭I pair with elegant cause I have gold jewelry. I like my stats, heavy attacks hit really hard with proper cp allocation to make the set work. To each there own
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✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »I really don't see why people would prefer Shackle over Amberplasm. Shackle + Witchmother is basically losing stats and then making up for those stats, so in the end, you've basically got less overall damage and resources.
Amberplasm + Willpower + Maelstrom Destro/Master's Resto + Slimecraw is where its at for me personally.
Amber was too much stam sustain for me. What are your stats with that set up?
I currently don't use Slimecraw, but instead the classic 1 Kena 1 Bloodspawn, simply because I don't have a Slimecraw shoulder and also because I'm more focused on spending my keys on a Velidreth Divines Arm Cops....
40k Magicka, 15k Stamina, 21.5k Health, 2.6k Magicka Recovery, 1.3k Stamina recovery and 3k Spell damage. The sustain is pretty huge, the damage is great, even the healing is great with Dark Conversion and Degeneration.
I'll have to double check, i run infused tristat glyphs on big pieces, but I'm around 45k magicka, 12.5k stam, 23.5k hp, 2k M recovery, 950 S recovery, 3.4k damage with surge and glyph. Impen on the rest. max magicka mundus. That's in 5shackle 4 necro, domi, shadow rend.
So the only stat of yours that is higher is the max magicka number and that could easily be fixed by switching my Mundus from Atro to Mage, since I do have too much sustain. I haven't checked the spell damage with a glyph either, but theoretically, it would be 452 * 1.28 = 579, so about 3.6k spell damage. So in the end, most of the stats are pretty much the same, its just the stamina sustain that goes through the roof with Amberplasm and so does the magicka sustain, the spell damage and crit are also higher. So yeah, I still don't see the benefits of running Shackle over Amberplasm...
The benefit is Much more max magicka(remember I'm in tri glyphs so max magicka could be higher), larger shields, higher damage (max magicka is 10.5 : 1 spell dmg) and more heath vs more stamina and magicka regen.
My tooltips are higher with shackle necro over amber plasm.
You're mag regen is nice tho, over 3k with pots? I can get you more exact numbers tonight If youre curious. But for me, that much regen (stam) was overkill on a sorc.
Ill take a picture post it if you want to compare. Come to think of it, my necklace is blue, and my belt is blue bc i was just testing it before a buddy told me to get my butt into pvp. I need to fix that asap..Edited by Brutusmax1mus on October 22, 2017 1:50PM0 -
cschwingeb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Stats for shackle +witch mother are just about the same as Amber+ tri food when you fill in the rest of the pieces.
The main reason why I like Amber better is because in CP I can run mag/health food, which is ideal. So I run amber, 4x necro, 1x domihaus, 1x magicka-monster. I feel necro staves with infused end up better than a vMA/willpower setup, due to larger shields0 -
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✭✭cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »Stats for shackle +witch mother are just about the same as Amber+ tri food when you fill in the rest of the pieces.
The main reason why I like Amber better is because in CP I can run mag/health food, which is ideal. So I run amber, 4x necro, 1x domihaus, 1x magicka-monster. I feel necro staves with infused end up better than a vMA/willpower setup, due to larger shields
If you ignore weapon damage, Shacklebreaker and Amberplasm give about the same amount of stats in standard bonuses, whereas Witch Mother's gives definitely worse than trifood. Using Witchmother's is always a case of throwing some stats out the window only to get some of them back by other means. It's not exactly efficient.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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You’re right. You can’t get the 5 piece bonus on both.
But you can stil get the crit from Julianos while wearing 5 piece shacklebreaker.... which is what I wrote...
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