SoftcoverGore47 wrote: »

It seems like 75% of the post on here are nothing more than [snip] fests. Everyones complaning about something....lousy drop rates, lousy quest rewards, writs, crown crates, crown cost, lag, crashes, how much the devs suck, zos needs to do this, zos needs to do that, zos doesnt care about the customer, blah, blah, blah....and on and on. It never ends. You paid $50-$60, probably less, for a game that is FREE to play, that offers you literally, years of entertainment. To me, thats great value for the money. Compare that to most games that you play through once, maybe twice in a few months, never to be played again.
Play the game and enjoy it for what it is, or just quit. But please for all that is holy, STFU.

[Edited to remove profanity]

I agree with you that this game has great value.

I've been playing since beta and still haven't finished all the content in the base game.

But the forums are a place for people to air their grievances about the game. If this bothers you - I recommend that you just stay way from the forums. Because telling everyone who is complaining here just to shut up or quit the game isn't likely to net you a productive response. ^^

For about the seven millionth time, I'll point out something that's so blindingly obvious that I really doubt anyone actually doesn't already know it and just makes posts like the OP's because it makes them feel superior:

If we didn't love the game, we wouldn't have anything to complain about. We simply wouldn't play. If we're happy with something in game, there's little reason to discuss it on the forum. The forum is here to discuss the game, and there's just more to discuss with talking about improvements than there is when talking about how great everything is.

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The main reason, at least for me, why I can get a little too irritated at some times: ZOS makes brilliant decisions. ZOS makes shockingly stupid decisions. It sometimes seems like there's little middle ground.

The grindy crap, the horrible drop rates, etc. are decisions that show a fundamental idea that the player's time is not a valuable thing, and when you show you do not respect a person's time, you show you don't respect the person. These mechanics are things good designers (and, honestly, good people) simply wouldn't do, but ZOS are plainly capable of great design. It's a very difficult contradiction to reconcile, and sometime the only way to make sense of it is to go personal.

I genuinely believe there are two camps at ZOS, and I want the ones who value good design and have enough of a conscience to treat our time as if it's valuable to win.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Where’s @Rohamad_Ali at? He needs to be in this thread ASAP. He knows all about the threads that complain about people complaining. Lmao. Such wonderful moments on the forums when things like this arise.

@Ch4mpTW

Hello my friend ! I love ESO but as others say have started to do something else and do not want to constantly complain about things that are never addressed by ZoS . It's not fair to the players that enjoy the game to always be critical . So I found a way to still have fun and let ZoS do what they like . The people here are the best and nicest friends anyone could ever want and the main reason so many wait for improvement . I'll never make a goodbye post ever because I'll always hold out hope for this game to get some improvements . I'll never bash ZoS for their decisions , I'll just find what makes me happy until somethings happen that give a incentive to jump back in, when if that happens . No worries if it doesn't . Whining about people whining just creates a möbius loop of whining so best to leave a positive comment and best wishes and hopes for everyone wishing for improvement in communications and game issues here . Positive thoughts for all of you !

We really need more Rohamads in this world ;o

Why indeed am I salty? Maybe because I played ESO ps4 since launch. Then changed my IRL to the point where I used much of my life expectancy to be able to play ESO everyday for 10hrs (working for 9hrs this only sleeping for 3 to 4 hrs per day everyday). Then watching the LAG increase with every update to the point where we are now= unplayable.

So the self realization that I committed to much into ESO and its all in vain really makes me salty...

At least I wont have to live much longer with the regret that I f'd up my life for that which I loved the most only to realize that I never considered such an increase in LAG. It truly PlSSES me off that I exchanged my life expectancy for LAG, yeah I must be the greatest idiot ever...

The only forums I see where people don’t complain, are forums for games that no one plays.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Where’s @Rohamad_Ali at? He needs to be in this thread ASAP. He knows all about the threads that complain about people complaining. Lmao. Such wonderful moments on the forums when things like this arise.

Apparently he is happily playing another game like we all should be. This game is run by people who do not care about the wellbeing of their players and they deserve none of us. Or they do care but their cooperate overlords keep them on a tight leash. the effect is the same. I have no idea what a lvl 45 ninja is but its probably better than this garbage.

All we ever needed to learn, we can learn from Deltia. Uninstall, get swole.

Now I'm off to go work out because I know that my workout bench isn't going to lag out mid rep and my gym fixes broken equipment in less than three years. My gym membership is actually worth the money and isn't going to change it's business model to "free to work out" and then destroy the quality of the gym and make me gamble for boxes of protein shake. Every other membership, item, or service I purchase has a team behind it that cares about me as a customer. Except for this dumpster fire. This is the forum we deserve for the game that doesn't deserve any of us. Even the ones I always argue with. I love all of you guys, but you gotta take breaks once in a while between salt sessions.

cheers.

Better example than any of mine.

What's the a basic difference between an MMO and a non-MMO?

Even if there are similar games to enjoy on the market, which is not likely since ESO is a well loved and unique franchise, MMO's cater to builder personalities. Your not just switching games, your leaving behind all the time you invested in the game with the prospect of starting at ground zero in the new MMO. Starting at ground zero means a time sink even if the alternative just launched. If it has been around for a while, you face months or even years just to catch up. I have multiple accounts and started one after the CP system and let me tell you ... the CP grind is real.


As to OP's comparison, people aren't going to play the base game more than once or twice, any more than they are going to play a non-MMO more than once or twice. If that were true, continuous content releases wouldn't be a thing. In ESO, you can pay for each content release, one every 3 months. Alternatively, you can pay a subscription which will come to what, $150-$180 a year? As of Morrowind, even if you cough up the $150 bucks a year, you are still going to have to cough up another ~$40 for the "chapter."

Let's say you are the type of person that does enjoy the same content over and over again. You don't have to subscribe, but the game will be not be entertainment anymore, it will become a painful chore and separate you from playing with people you meet and like online. Let's take the subscription bag space "perks" as an example. Oh, people aren't subscribing? Let me add 5000 more crafting ingredients and 40 new armor sets available to base game players. Let me add more motifs than ever seen in any game, and let's make furniture an inventory item, and... Oh, and by the way, so sorry that half your friends bought access or subscribed, and now you can't play with them in the new dungeons or in imperial city, maybe you should reconsider?

People aren't buying from the crown store? Hey, no worries, you can buy from a guild trader, if non-cosmetic. Oh, and I created this awesomely fun master writ system for the base game. You need specific motifs to participate in it though. I've released these two motifs, and made half of the big voucher writs require those motifs. Hey, hey now, don't get upset, you don't have to pay $40 for each motif off the crown store, you can just slap down 250,000 gold per page and buy them from the guild traders or farm for 8 hours on average per page.

SoftcoverGore47 wrote: »

You paid $50-$60, probably less, for a game that is FREE to play, that offers you literally, years of entertainment.

If I paid for game it's no longer FREE to play. Guild Wars2 or SWTOR was free to play. I needed to buy ESO, that's not free to play.

Waseem wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

As a 10 yr Veteran of the US Navy, I take offense to the use of the word "Salty"


/sarcasm

LOL YOU USED A-SALT RIFLES FOR A DECADE WHAT YOU GOT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT

A-SALT rifles??? Those were the Marines. I didn't shoot anything smaller than 20mm.

Actually we are salty because we have watched a game we love get worse patch after patch... not better.