Backup your settings... REGULARLY

Elsonso · October 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Malkorga wrote: »

I did not realise there were that many add-ons for ESO, no wonder so many people complain about lag and low FPS.

It actually has nothing to do with the add ons in nearly every instance of complaining

Depends on the add-on. Big data add-ons can really change load and exit times, and can cause local delays while they process data.

TheNorthernDragon · October 2017

Thanks for the advice! Done.

Octopuss · October 2017

From my experience, lots of addons increase loading times, but harly ever affect fps.

Beardimus · October 2017

70-80 ADDONS WHAAAAAAT?

So happy to be on console, what inputs can possibly be left to do from the player!!!

not trolling you this just amazes me. Base game has enough for 2 thirds of the population to succeed

Huyen · October 2017

Funny how people get to trust an addon more then their own brains. I might get a lot of hate for what I'm going to say next but here it goes: you brought it down on yourself for being dependend on a machine to do the thinking for you! So I cant say I feel sorry, nor that I feel like its the problem of ZoS. Every electronic device will fail at some point. Cant feel bad about lost data.

Octopuss · October 2017

Huyen wrote: »

Funny how people get to trust an addon more then their own brains. I might get a lot of hate for what I'm going to say next but here it goes: you brought it down on yourself for being dependend on a machine to do the thinking for you! So I cant say I feel sorry, nor that I feel like its the problem of ZoS. Every electronic device will fail at some point. Cant feel bad about lost data.

Have you forgotten to take your pills this morning?

Loc2262 · October 2017

@Huyen: Your comment was completely nonsensical. That's like saying, "you've become so dependent on your navigation system, it's your own fault if your car catches on fire due to a faulty fuel line caused by material fatigue".

Aside from that, I'm using about 50 addons. And most of them are simple quality-of-life ones (e.g. one gives me a key shortcut to toggle helmet on/off, one lets me fillet stacks of fish without having to mash the Use button, one makes key bindings global to all chars so I don't have to configure them multiple times, etc. etc.), or they retrofit functions that ZOS should definitely have put into the base game in the first place (e.g. always set the "number of tannins for improvement" to get 100% chance, additional filtering options for inventory screen, make presets for gear and skills and quickly switch them with one keypress, way better search and filtering for guild stores, etc. etc.).

ZOS just recently added buff tracking to the base game. Thank you, very nice, thanks to S'rendarr I had that functionality for a long time already, and much better than what they added. Reminds me a bit of Microsoft, back then when they announced that their Internet Explorer has now tabbed browsing and they acted like they just invented the wheel. Of course they didn't mention that browsers like Opera have had that function for years.

Huyen · October 2017

Loc2262 wrote: »

@Huyen: Your comment was completely nonsensical. That's like saying, "you've become so dependent on your navigation system, it's your own fault if your car catches on fire due to a ruptured fuel line".

Aside from that, I'm using about 50 addons. And most of them are simple quality-of-life ones (e.g. one gives me a key shortcut to toggle helmet on/off, one lets me fillet stacks of fish without having to mash the Use button, one makes key bindings global to all chars so I don't have to configure them multiple times, etc. etc.), or they retrofit functions that ZOS should definitely have put into the base game in the first place (e.g. always set the "number of tannins for improvement" to get 100% chance, additional filtering options for inventory screen, make presets for gear and skills and quickly switch them with one keypress, way better search and filtering for guild stores, etc. etc.).

And yet if the addons fail for some reason, its ZoS to blame. Once again, you trust the addons to do the work for you, ergo once they fail you dont know how to do it the other way.

Loc2262 · October 2017

Huyen wrote: »

And yet if the addons fail for some reason, its ZoS to blame. Once again, you trust the addons to do the work for you, ergo once they fail you dont know how to do it the other way.

I fail to see where ZOS was blamed for specific addon config data loss, aside from corruption due to game crashes? I also fail to see how "having become dependent on some technology" has anything to do with blaming whoever or whatever is responsible for data loss.

Speaking about that: Feels like karma, but actually just yesterday my main settings file got corrupted so ESO would start up with default values, i.e. intro videos reactivated, graphics settings reset etc.

So I restored the settings from yesterday's backup. And that had nothing at all to do with addons. The game crashed during shutdown (which it does regularly, from the login or char selection screen, where no addons are active at all), and apparently destroyed the settings file in the process.

Who's to blame for that? Me for using ~50 addons? Probably not.

Elsonso · October 2017

Huyen wrote: »

Loc2262 wrote: »

@Huyen: Your comment was completely nonsensical. That's like saying, "you've become so dependent on your navigation system, it's your own fault if your car catches on fire due to a ruptured fuel line".

Aside from that, I'm using about 50 addons. And most of them are simple quality-of-life ones (e.g. one gives me a key shortcut to toggle helmet on/off, one lets me fillet stacks of fish without having to mash the Use button, one makes key bindings global to all chars so I don't have to configure them multiple times, etc. etc.), or they retrofit functions that ZOS should definitely have put into the base game in the first place (e.g. always set the "number of tannins for improvement" to get 100% chance, additional filtering options for inventory screen, make presets for gear and skills and quickly switch them with one keypress, way better search and filtering for guild stores, etc. etc.).

And yet if the addons fail for some reason, its ZoS to blame. Once again, you trust the addons to do the work for you, ergo once they fail you dont know how to do it the other way.

No.... If the game fails to save the game data, or the API does not do what it should do, then it is the fault of ZOS. If the add-on fails, it is the fault of the person who wrote it. This thread is about backing up the add-on data, and one reason to do that is because the game client sometimes does not read or write the add-on data correctly. ZOS fault. Sometimes, the add-on author is a bone head and messes up their own save data. Add-on author fault.

As for the rest of what you say, ZOS deliberately left the user interface minimalistic. They don't display all of the information that the player needs. They expect that most players will not need it. Still, they made it available in the API and add-ons are using it. This saves ZOS money because the players will flesh out the user interface. ZOS could have made a highly informational and functional UI and let the add-ons strip out parts to create a more minimalistic one. That would have cost more money.

I don't really consider the ESO user interface to be "world class". I would prefer to see add-ons to remove features from the UI than be required to have an add-on to add a feature. Until this happens, add-ons are necessary. Nowhere is this more evident than on the console, and it is one of the reasons I stopped playing on PS4.

Merlin13KAGL · October 2017

PTS folder is ideal for this (even if you don't run on the PTS). You can copy the entire folder structure over periodically including Usersettings, SavedVariables, even the entire Addon folder.

If you ever need to restore, you simply move the necessary components back.

The side benefit is, if you do run on the PTS, your PTS settings will usually be very similar to your recent live settings.

Glaiceana · October 2017

Glaiceana wrote: »

Backed up everything, thank you for the reminder/warning

@Octopuss

I would just like to say THANK YOU again for reminding me to backup everything. Just now I lost all of it, was very lucky!
All I did was accidentally click my ESO shorcut twice, apparently doing this will wipe all settings, I had no addon settings, or special user ones, had to accept all the terms over, choose gamma, the works

So yes, another warning to others don't do that, and back your stuff up too!!

PlagueSD · October 2017

Huyen wrote: »

Funny how people get to trust an addon more then their own brains. I might get a lot of hate for what I'm going to say next but here it goes: you brought it down on yourself for being dependend on a machine to do the thinking for you! So I cant say I feel sorry, nor that I feel like its the problem of ZoS. Every electronic device will fail at some point. Cant feel bad about lost data.

This is a common misconception about addons. They do not "Play" the game for you. They provide additional information for you. I use addons to track resource nodes, lorebooks, and skyshards locations. Yes, I can get the same info via google, but that would require I open a browser and search. With addons, the information is right there for me.

I also use addons to track research timers, bank contents and inventory of alts, and known motifs. If I get a motif drop, I can VERY easily determine if I should save it for an alt, or if I can sell it. I can also check research timers without having to swap characters. If I get a sweet armor set drop, I can easily check to see if one of my alts can use it.