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MAGPLAR vs STAMPLAR DPS
Argah
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Couple month back I paid race change from Breton Magplar to Redguard Stamplar now I'm considering changing back, both feel a bit crap but what is best? I really don't wanna start from scratch so it's one or the other.
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you do trials it might be hard to get your magplar a melee spot. You can play them from range but I think sorcs and NBs are preferred.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA2 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭pve-wise: stamplar >>>>magplar
stamplar has more deeps, valuable groupdebuffs, can use supportsets to buf groupdeeps even further....on the other hand magplar has low deeps and no grouputility besides offheals (usually not needed).Noobplar3 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Depends on what content, for dungeon and vma i like my stamplar more, even after its heavy nerfs repentance is still great in those sitting.
I like to get dailies done quick so being able to ram thru trashpacks or just pull them to bosses, and then get great sustain from repentance help a lot. In trials you can bring some utility to the grp with power of the light and maybe using the war machine set along with Cresent Sweep.
Next patch i want to try a 2h build using the new asylum 2h, should be very good matched with war machine especially since stamplars dont have a class execute or passive like implosion.
Edit cuz autocorrect on my phone.Edited by Firstmep on October 18, 2017 5:47PM0 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stamplar is in a good spot for PvE and PvP. Just need to swap gear and possibly change CP points for either, but as a PvPer I hear nothing but good things from Stamplar for trials.
End game PvE, the toon would needed to be geared towards it and then the rotation would need to be perfected.
PvP Stamplar can be dressed up with Heavy/Medium and have really good stats. It just depends on what you want to do here.
Magplar PvE, when I read the forums, sounds like they're not in a hot spot compared to Stamplar DPS wise. But they can be dressed up to heal too. And, because of that, the healing skill sets are still desirable in PvP for that role. Magplar DPS in PvP isn't as rewarding as the Stamplar IMO.Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on October 18, 2017 5:48PM0 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »Stamplar is in a good spot for PvE and PvP. Just need to swap gear and possibly change CP points for either, but as a PvPer I hear nothing but good things from Stamplar for trials.
End game PvE, the toon would needed to be geared towards it and then the rotation would need to be perfected.
Rotation is really easy...you can repeat your pattern until boss is dead, no shiftings/execute etc...nearly as easy as on stamDK tbh
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Gargath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »PvE or PvP?
Everything, one toon for all.
Bad idea, having so many free character slots to create just start a new toon and make one stamina another magicka.
Really not a problem to level fast even if you don't like questing the same.
I had the same issue like you, and started magicka first to level faster to cp160 with lightning Staff, then made a stamina version on the same toon, since it was Khajiit.
Later I made a new magblade from scratch with a vamp and both are great in doing damage and sustain.PC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."2 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »Stamplar is in a good spot for PvE and PvP. Just need to swap gear and possibly change CP points for either, but as a PvPer I hear nothing but good things from Stamplar for trials.
End game PvE, the toon would needed to be geared towards it and then the rotation would need to be perfected.
Rotation is really easy...you can repeat your pattern until boss is dead, no shiftings/execute etc...nearly as easy as on stamDK tbh
You'd know it better then me! I couldn't DPS in PvE to save my life.Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »PvE or PvP?
Everything, one toon for all.
Bad idea, having so many free character slots to create just start a new toon and make one stamina another magicka.
Really not a problem to level fast even if you don't like questing the same.
I had the same issue like you, and started magicka first to level faster to cp160 with lightning Staff, then made a stamina version on the same toon, since it was Khajiit.
Later I made a new magblade from scratch with a vamp and both are great in doing damage and sustain.
Not everyone has time for this though. This is coming from someone who does have 12 characters, one type of each class. It took me a lot of time.
Don't forget, for something like that, we gotta pay to get mount speed up, and pay to open up inventory slots. That's not including doing the FG / Mages Guild quest lines to completion. Plus... getting the skill points we need and leveling up the weapon skill lines.Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on October 18, 2017 5:56PM0 -
Argah✭✭✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »PvE or PvP?
Everything, one toon for all.
Bad idea, having so many free character slots to create just start a new toon and make one stamina another magicka.
Really not a problem to level fast even if you don't like questing the same.
I had the same issue like you, and started magicka first to level faster to cp160 with lightning Staff, then made a stamina version on the same toon, since it was Khajiit.
Later I made a new magblade from scratch with a vamp and both are great in doing damage and sustain.
Making another toon and doing stuff again is not an option unless changes are made where what you done is done.0 -
Argah✭✭✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »Stamplar is in a good spot for PvE and PvP. Just need to swap gear and possibly change CP points for either, but as a PvPer I hear nothing but good things from Stamplar for trials.
End game PvE, the toon would needed to be geared towards it and then the rotation would need to be perfected.
Rotation is really easy...you can repeat your pattern until boss is dead, no shiftings/execute etc...nearly as easy as on stamDK tbh
You'd know it better then me! I couldn't DPS in PvE to save my life.Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »PvE or PvP?
Everything, one toon for all.
Bad idea, having so many free character slots to create just start a new toon and make one stamina another magicka.
Really not a problem to level fast even if you don't like questing the same.
I had the same issue like you, and started magicka first to level faster to cp160 with lightning Staff, then made a stamina version on the same toon, since it was Khajiit.
Later I made a new magblade from scratch with a vamp and both are great in doing damage and sustain.
Not everyone has time for this though. This is coming from someone who does have 12 characters, one type of each class. It took me a lot of time.
Don't forget, for something like that, we gotta pay to get mount speed up, and pay to open up inventory slots. That's not including doing the FG / Mages Guild quest lines to completion. Plus... getting the skill points we need and leveling up the weapon skill lines.
Yeah this... so much done in crafting, riding skills, undaunted etc. not a chance I could do it again.0 -
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✭Stamplars are currently doing very well on raids.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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Gargath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »Not everyone has time for this though. This is coming from someone who does have 12 characters, one type of each class. It took me a lot of time.
Don't forget, for something like that, we gotta pay to get mount speed up, and pay to open up inventory slots. That's not including doing the FG / Mages Guild quest lines to completion. Plus... getting the skill points we need and leveling up the weapon skill lines.
Still I see no real problem, only the minor with horse training. But if you love playing ESO, it's a part of it. I have 10 characters and yet recently I deleted one stamblade with about 75 unlocked horse lessons and started a new Argonian magicka dragonknight just for fun. No horse skills, lack of other skills but what fun in gaining tchem now. Days are running fast, especially that long winter evenings are coming...
Considering that we can delete character that we don't play or don't like too much and create something better to check and learn another class and playing style and sets etc, is always tempting. The need of unlocking all skills again is not a big problem. It's a part of virtual life which I personally accept.PC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."0 -
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NiclasFridholm✭✭✭✭Dont go Magplar for PvE, they are completly destroyed cause of the Calculation changes in Morrowind. Stamplar brings alot more group utility just like @Destruent said.Tobias Funke - Magplar since forever1
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Argah✭✭✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »Not everyone has time for this though. This is coming from someone who does have 12 characters, one type of each class. It took me a lot of time.
Don't forget, for something like that, we gotta pay to get mount speed up, and pay to open up inventory slots. That's not including doing the FG / Mages Guild quest lines to completion. Plus... getting the skill points we need and leveling up the weapon skill lines.
Still I see no real problem, only the minor with horse training. But if you love playing ESO, it's a part of it. I have 10 characters and yet recently I deleted one stamblade with about 75 unlocked horse lessons and started a new Argonian magicka dragonknight just for fun. No horse skills, lack of other skills but what fun in gaining tchem now. Days are running fast, especially that long winter evenings are coming...
Considering that we can delete character that we don't play or don't like too much and create something better to check and learn another class and playing style and sets etc, is always tempting. The need of unlocking all skills again is not a big problem. It's a part of virtual life which I personally accept.
To be honest it's just a game to me, couldn't imagine how unhealthy accepting a virtual life to be real is.2 -
SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭stamina dps > melee magicka dps
for end game pve
stamplar is currently one of the highest group parsers, and it brings power of the light aka minor breach and fracture.
i guess magplar if you cant get away from jesus beams
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Argah✭✭✭✭Thanks for replies, going to respec my Redguard into Magplar since it sounds like the bonus from being Breton wont do much, will just change from both whenever.0
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Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Thanks for replies, going to respec my Redguard into Magplar since it sounds like the bonus from being Breton wont do much, will just change from both whenever.
Did you actually read what we wrote?
NiclasFridholm wrote: »Dont go Magplar for PvE, they are completly destroyed cause of the Calculation changes in Morrowind. Stamplar brings alot more group utility just like @Destruent said.
btw @NiclasFridholm if someone told me one year ago, i'd try to convince someone to not play magplar, i would have called him completely crazy....
Edited by Destruent on October 18, 2017 7:32PMNoobplar1 -
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✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »PvE or PvP?
Everything, one toon for all.
Then your not a mid-max character, like 95% of the game and myself included. Though oddly enough, that fact puts you in the minority on the forums. That’s an agreement for another day. Keep your race, if you like them. Race helps out but is not a difference maker in anything other than top end PvE hard mode trial content. Race will not hold you back from completing any type of content. I have beat vMA with a Wood Elf mDK. You can clear anything and if you cannot, it’s not a race issue.
As the game states, play as you want. Only the top %1 really need to care about mid maxing. And truth be told, people who do benefit from mid-maxing do not ask these questions, they know from experience.
Again, play as you want.1 -
Argah✭✭✭✭Thanks for replies, going to respec my Redguard into Magplar since it sounds like the bonus from being Breton wont do much, will just change from both whenever.
Did you actually read what we wrote?NiclasFridholm wrote: »Dont go Magplar for PvE, they are completly destroyed cause of the Calculation changes in Morrowind. Stamplar brings alot more group utility just like @Destruent said.
btw @NiclasFridholm if someone told me one year ago, i'd try to convince someone to not play magplar, i would have called him completely crazy....
Bored of stamplar, 20k gold to respec into magplar or £15 to min/max magplar which has been made clear in this thread is bad.
Basically keeping the Stamplar open since it seems the more viable DPS option.0 -
SisterGoat✭✭✭✭✭I like magplar because stamplar barely has anything you can morph into a stamina skill. Most stamina classes feel the same to me.Jumps-In-Water - Magicka Templar
Dar'akar - Stamina Nightblade
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Argah✭✭✭✭MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »PvE or PvP?
Everything, one toon for all.
Then your not a mid-max character, like 95% of the game and myself included. Though oddly enough, that fact puts you in the minority on the forums. That’s an agreement for another day. Keep your race, if you like them. Race helps out but is not a difference maker in anything other than top end PvE hard mode trial content. Race will not hold you back from completing any type of content. I have beat vMA with a Wood Elf mDK. You can clear anything and if you cannot, it’s not a race issue.
As the game states, play as you want. Only the top %1 really need to care about mid maxing. And truth be told, people who do benefit from mid-maxing do not ask these questions, they know from experience.
Again, play as you want.
Yeah going to keep Redguard, will min/max stam but going to switch to magplar with gold minus the Breton bonuses.0 -
NiclasFridholm✭✭✭✭Thanks for replies, going to respec my Redguard into Magplar since it sounds like the bonus from being Breton wont do much, will just change from both whenever.
Did you actually read what we wrote?NiclasFridholm wrote: »Dont go Magplar for PvE, they are completly destroyed cause of the Calculation changes in Morrowind. Stamplar brings alot more group utility just like @Destruent said.
btw @NiclasFridholm if someone told me one year ago, i'd try to convince someone to not play magplar, i would have called him completely crazy....Thanks for replies, going to respec my Redguard into Magplar since it sounds like the bonus from being Breton wont do much, will just change from both whenever.
Did you actually read what we wrote?NiclasFridholm wrote: »Dont go Magplar for PvE, they are completly destroyed cause of the Calculation changes in Morrowind. Stamplar brings alot more group utility just like @Destruent said.
btw @NiclasFridholm if someone told me one year ago, i'd try to convince someone to not play magplar, i would have called him completely crazy....
Now there is only a handfull left crazy enough to keep trying!
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Argah✭✭✭✭Update: Keeping stamplar creating a sorc, won't do any crafting or side quests just main story then dungeons till level 50.0
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Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭Update: Keeping stamplar creating a sorc, won't do any crafting or side quests just main story then dungeons till level 50.
Wise decision :-)
At least for PvE stamina dps just outclasses every other magicka dps at moment and even if we are not talking about efficency but about playstyle and the feeling of play, imho stamina dps wins. A HA weapon attack is still shorter as a HA staff attack.Sometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
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✭✭✭✭✭Magplars arent in a good spot atm, just like mag dks. :'( Melee spots are usually taken by stamina dds, and stamplar actually provides more utility for the group (power of the light).Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Mazbt✭✭✭✭Outside of like....long time guildies and friends that pretty much can run what they want I don't think people are gonna be that excited to see a magplar. Really disappointing
. still great for dungeons and maelstrom imo tho. Mazari the Resurrected (AD)- PVP stamplar main
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭"Stamplars do crap DPS" LOL
That was back when vMA DW weapons were the meta. Which was like 6 months ago.
No Major Fracture or any other buffs at all.
And also, if you're a Stamplar, then you basically always will have a spot in a raid group.
In PvP, Stamplar has great survivability and absolutely insane burst (rivals Mag Sorcs).
So yeah, at the moment, Stamplar >>>>> Magplar for most things.@ Izaki #PCEU
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