It would definitely be great to be able to hide vampirism with base level illusion magic. Perhaps Magelight could expose it? That would be cool.

I doubt ZOS changes this. If they give Vamps the option, the WW crowd will jump in and want the same option. There have been multiple threads and polls on this and I am not aware of any feedback. They might try to monetize the ability through the crown store.

Until ZOS figures out a strategy, please continue to enjoy Vampires Online.

aliyavana wrote: »

by making a thread like this, the "if you want to take vampirism you must look like a vampire" crowd will attack you... Even though illusion magic and ingame characters dialogue and lore support a hide vampirism disguise

Should Werewolves be able to hide themselves while also being transformed?

It IS a curse really. And the only instance of Illusion magic being used by a vampire is Verandis and he's a powerful Mage, and he doesnt even stay hidden permanently.

Be proud of it! Show the world your beauty!

ArchMikem wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

by making a thread like this, the "if you want to take vampirism you must look like a vampire" crowd will attack you... Even though illusion magic and ingame characters dialogue and lore support a hide vampirism disguise

Should Werewolves be able to hide themselves while also being transformed?

It IS a curse really. And the only instance of Illusion magic being used by a vampire is Verandis and he's a powerful Mage, and he doesnt even stay hidden permanently.

You make a solid point but I'd like to add that the way coloration changes are handled are a bit annoying. Why should an Altmer's gold tattoos fade out of existence? Why would a crocodile-skinned argonian become chalk white? Pale green is more logical. Why does my Night black Khajiit get white hair except for his beard? Its bizarre. I understand they want it clear characters are monstrous but the customization you put in your character generally goes out the window.

It did upset me that my beautiful brown skinned bosmer became a pasty white chick. Especially because the only aesthetical change to the same character in TES Skyrim was the eye colour. What is Lore???

Given that there is a mag or stam build for every class, there is no real indication of what you will be facing in a PvP encounter anyway. Making vampires stand out seems to be an arbitrary punishment.

Besides, it's not like you're going to change your PvP tactics once you discover the player you're engaged with is a vampire.

"Oh! You are a vampire? How sneaky! I would like to change my build to fight you but alas! If only there were some visual indication of your true vampiric nature that I could notice at a distance before I engaged you in combat! Woe is me! I guess I shall submit and become your thrall."

TheAmu wrote: »

It did upset me that my beautiful brown skinned bosmer became a pasty white chick. Especially because the only aesthetical change to the same character in TES Skyrim was the eye colour. What is Lore???

Given that there is a mag or stam build for every class, there is no real indication of what you will be facing in a PvP encounter anyway. Making vampires stand out seems to be an arbitrary punishment.

Besides, it's not like you're going to change your PvP tactics once you discover the player you're engaged with is a vampire.

"Oh! You are a vampire? How sneaky! I would like to change my build to fight you but alas! If only there were some visual indication of your true vampiric nature that I could notice at a distance before I engaged you in combat! Woe is me! I guess I shall submit and become your thrall."

Or like even if there were a better way to hide vampirism, ZOS could plop a debuff icon that others could see and know at a glance. Like "Oh! That guy's got a bat in his icons! He's a vamp! Kill him with fireeeee!"

Yeah, my only gripe is, like i said, 'vampirism' is like a plastic layer of semi-clear white 'over' my actual skin as opposed to a 'natural' part of it. I'm FINE with being a WHITE tiger, if i have to, but the vampirism basically bleaches the stripes too, so, i'm just a puffy-cheeked albino panther

But I will CONSIDER a disguise, if i have to.

The worst case is Redguard Vampire. Did you see what happens to Redguards when you turn them into vampire? Basicaly, by turning Redguard into vampire, you create Eminem xD

I don't know about you guys, but I find a little bit of racism in turning Redguards into vampires. And it's completely counterintuitive because black-skinned vampires theme is out there since eternity (i.e. Blade...). If you google them, you'll find tons of them. Only ESO seems to avoid black-skinned vampires for unknown reasons.

"hurr durr you're a monster and I absolutely need to see if you're a vampire".

Sadly the only way to hide your gnarly vampirism look is by wearing a skin or a disguise. Disguises will hide all crown store cosmetics and your armor, while skins show your armor but you look like a meatball, a peperoni, a character from Tron or a grey wrinkly raisin. You can find several threads that suggest ZOS allows us to hide it and I will link a few for you here. I also saw someone mention that ZOS was looking into it, but I can't find that quote atm.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/372621/another-thread-about-hiding-vampirism/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/363586/better-looking-vampires/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/341647/the-argument-against-hiding-vampirism-is-selfish-and-ridiculous/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/320598/would-you-like-a-normal-skin-to-hide-vampirism/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/361510/vampires-look-gnarley/p1

Its a curse. If you don't like the look then don't be a vampire. Just be lucky that your health doesn't slowly deplete in sunlight and towns people running fear while guards attack you on sight.

Help me, because I'm legitimately confused. Why are people so ardently opposed to this?

-Lore reasons? Because even Verandis can't keep up the façade the entire time, and he's a powerful wizard? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mother Lamae explicitly used the plural when saying that there were those of her bloodline who could walk among mortals undetected. As in multiple, not just that one guy over there.

But Verandis is powerful! Okay. And the Vestige has thwarted Molag Bal's planemeld, matched Uncle Sheo point-for-point in regaining Eyevea (something even the great Shalidorable couldn't do), saved the archmage's bacon, and solved puzzles that stumped even the greatest magical minds of Tamriel. We aren't exactly third-rate party magicians pulling rabbits out of hats, who got there by collecting bottlecaps.

Maybe it's an experience thing? You've got to be an experienced vampire to do it? Okay. How about we add a passive you can put points in to make yourself look normal (one point for each stage) that either progressively unlocks as you level vampirism or all at once at level 10. You want to look normal as a stage 4 vamp? 4 points. You want to look just like you do now? Don't put any points in. (I'm not sure if this is possible for the devs, but it seems like a really interesting idea to me.)

-PvP reasons? Because you want to see who's a vamp at a glance? What if they added an icon that would show you at a glance A ) that someone's a vampire, and B ) what stage they're in? That way, assuming you have enough time to notice it, process it, and switch weapons or skills with a button press now, you'll still be able to afterward. It'd be even better, given said icon would also apply to people wearing disguises, skins, and armor that completely covers any exposed skin.

-Vampire-lover reasons? Because you like the current appearance? That's awesome. More power to you. Nothing I'm suggesting would negatively impact you, and you can continue to look exactly the way you want with no ramifications. No angry mobs. No displeased merchants. No guards trying to hunt you down. Just you being you and rocking your creature-of-the-night vibes. And meanwhile, those who can't stand it and don't want to choose between having their character creation choices demolished or taking a performance hit, get to be happy, too.

-But werewolves? Are totally different. When they ult up, they let the beast come out to play, and their conscious reasoning mind takes a back seat. That's why they can only use werewolf skills while transformed. Vampires don't have this limitation. Even at stage 4, they can use all of their skills, suggesting they still have all of their magical, illusion-casting faculties. That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to werewolves getting to customize their fur color to be more in line with, say, their hair?

-"Because I said so!" reasons? Because it's a debuff? None of vampirism's stats are present when you look vamped out and go away when you put on a disguise or skin. No other disguises or skins have any effect on your stats when you put them on or take them off. If you put on the dro'mathra skin, you don't gain a single, solitary point of damage, crit, resistance, or resources. Weakness to fire? That's a debuff. Increased damage taken from certain skills? That's a debuff. Your character looking like they're afflicted by what Michael Jackson had, or like they got tossed in a vat of white paint or acid Joker-style? That is many things, but a debuff isn't one of them.

Because "You're cursed! You'll look like crap and like it! Be glad it's not worse!" Okay. I'm sorry I have to break it to you, but you're not the gaming czar. You don't get to dictate what I play, how I look, or most importantly how I feel. Especially when what I'm suggesting has no negative impact on you or your gameplay. I'm not forcing anything on you, so kindly show me the same courtesy.

Beyond that, if ZOS felt the same way, you wouldn't be able to hide it with skins, disguises, or full-body obscuring armors, which you can.

But why not just use one of those? Because of their individual drawbacks. None of the skins allow me to show off my character's tattooed complexion without adding imperfections. The disguises all take away any crown store/crate appearance items (like the aforementioned tattoos), hide your armor, and don't really fit a sorceress with no necromantic tendencies. And the full-covering helmets obviously all completely cover the face.

"You don't want to look like a vampire, then don't be one." Ah, yes. That one. Currently, I'm not one, because that's the avenue I have. And as a result, I'm taking a non-small performance hit, mostly due to sustain being at a premium since Morrowind and repeatedly being told "You should really be a vamp." So it's be a vamp and get the boost, but have my character's appearance (which I spent no small amount of time on) smashed by something that has no stat effect on its own and already can be hidden, just not as well, or don't, don't, and don't, because...because why exactly? It's not lore-breaking. It's not stat-affecting. It doesn't hinder PvP or those who like how vampirism looks right now. It's not massively new territory, thanks to skins and disguises and armor.

So...because reasons? No, and that's final?

Outstanding!

BrightOblivion wrote: »

Help me, because I'm legitimately confused. Why are people so ardently opposed to this?

Quite honestly I ask myself the same question. I never seem to find or get an answer other than ''HURR DURR YER A MONSTER'' no matter how much I explain my point of view. Guess they just refuse to allow an option? idk