DDuke wrote: »

Well, if it's true that it has a high chance of proccing Concussion, then it adds a lot more damage than War Maiden for example (unless you already could proc it somehow) with the Minor Vulnerability (+8% dmg taken debuff).

thats true for cp campaigns. im playing no cp^^

the concussion aspect is new to me and would maybe really make this set worth using

They should just make it affect more targets.

Tyrion87 wrote: »

Hexys wrote: »

They should just make it affect more targets.

Or add some spell dmg for the duration. It would be a shock version of BSW ;-) And from my experience, the chance for it to proc is really low since it requires you to spam class abilities. I would see an increase to 20% (from 15%).

well certain classes use a lot of class abilitys like templar and nightblade

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Imo, surge is one of the best small scale PVP damage sets. It adds similar spell damage to julianos (~100 less after buffs) and has a proc that breaks cloak and procs concussion. If you don't have a source of concussion in your build the proc will make Surge outperform all other damage sets in game.

Simple as that really

It also procs skoria onbuilds that usually don't have enough DoTs

ok so this set is only usefull in cp campain whicht i try do avoid due to the overpopulation and the lag in there; thx lexy

sotha sil 4tw

@Lexxypwns

How about a Grothdarr like AoE pool of lightning...

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Imo, surge is one of the best small scale PVP damage sets. It adds similar spell damage to julianos (~100 less after buffs) and has a proc that breaks cloak and procs concussion. If you don't have a source of concussion in your build the proc will make Surge outperform all other damage sets in game.

Simple as that really

It also procs skoria onbuilds that usually don't have enough DoTs

Edit: goes through block and can't be dodged

I have to ask @Lexxypwns

On my argonian magicka NB I use Skoria, Torug with infused swords (w/ flame and shock) and wizards riposte (6 light,1 heavy). Would you trade wizard for overwhelming? And if so, would changing to 5 heavy 2 light be a better option? I don't use harness/damp, only healing ward as far as shields go.

The aim of this is mostly for solo PVP and small group (and maybe battlegrounds whenever I decide to buy Morrowind lol).

Thanks in advance for any insightful advice you can provide.

Personally i think its too strong in cyrodil. I think it needs a few seconds cooldown after proc is over. Either that or lower the proc chance

casparian wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Imo, surge is one of the best small scale PVP damage sets. It adds similar spell damage to julianos (~100 less after buffs) and has a proc that breaks cloak and procs concussion. If you don't have a source of concussion in your build the proc will make Surge outperform all other damage sets in game.

Simple as that really

It also procs skoria onbuilds that usually don't have enough DoTs

ok so this set is only usefull in cp campain whicht i try do avoid due to the overpopulation and the lag in there; thx lexy

sotha sil 4tw

It sounds like you're thinking that shock damage procs Minor Vulnerability only in CP campaigns. That's not true: a base property of shock damage is that it has a chance to proc Concussed, which inflicts Minor Vulnerability on the target (i.e., they take 8% more damage). You might be thinking of the Exploiter CP passive, which allows you to do an extra 10% damage to Off-Balance targets (Off-Balance can be inflicted on enemies who are Concussed -- that's the connection to shock damage.)

If anything, Overwhelming Surge is stronger in no-CP campaigns.

oh.... i though it procs minor malm same like wizards riposte, are u sure?

/edit: did some research here https://alcasthq.com/status-effects-eso/

yes 8% dmg is nice but it procs from damage over time effects 3% so it should be up not verry often i think

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Imo, surge is one of the best small scale PVP damage sets. It adds similar spell damage to julianos (~100 less after buffs) and has a proc that breaks cloak and procs concussion. If you don't have a source of concussion in your build the proc will make Surge outperform all other damage sets in game.

Simple as that really

It also procs skoria onbuilds that usually don't have enough DoTs

ok so this set is only usefull in cp campain whicht i try do avoid due to the overpopulation and the lag in there; thx lexy

sotha sil 4tw

No, it's the absolute undebatable BiS for damage in no-CP, on any single target focused build. there's nothing that comes close, it'll be your strongest DoT, increase all your other damage by 8% with good uptime, and incredible 2-4 bonuses. Spinners gives you ~5% damage on the 5pc and it doesn't work on shield and has inferior 2-4 pc bonuses, as a reference. Surge outperforms that just with concussion uptime and adds an unblockable undodgeable DoT that breaks cloak and ticks harder than cripple

You won't see performance as good as surge in no-CP

yes im going to try it on my dw light armour mageblade. i will try wizards riposte+ surge on dw bar. maybe i can bring her more in line to the power of my heavy stamblade

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Imo, surge is one of the best small scale PVP damage sets. It adds similar spell damage to julianos (~100 less after buffs) and has a proc that breaks cloak and procs concussion. If you don't have a source of concussion in your build the proc will make Surge outperform all other damage sets in game.

Simple as that really

It also procs skoria onbuilds that usually don't have enough DoTs

ok so this set is only usefull in cp campain whicht i try do avoid due to the overpopulation and the lag in there; thx lexy

sotha sil 4tw

No, it's the absolute undebatable BiS for damage in no-CP, on any single target focused build. there's nothing that comes close, it'll be your strongest DoT, increase all your other damage by 8% with good uptime, and incredible 2-4 bonuses. Spinners gives you ~5% damage on the 5pc and it doesn't work on shield and has inferior 2-4 pc bonuses, as a reference. Surge outperforms that just with concussion uptime and adds an unblockable undodgeable DoT that breaks cloak and ticks harder than cripple

You won't see performance as good as surge in no-CP

yes im going to try it on my dw light armour mageblade. i will try wizards riposte+ surge on dw bar. maybe i can bring her more in line to the power of my heavy stamblade

make sure you swap out any shock glyphs you were running for disease so you can fish for the major defile proc with your glyph instead of fishing for concussion procs with your glyph

aye! thx. what type of weapons would u sugest? atm i run 2 wiz riposte infused, the main hand with oblivion and the off hand with spell dmg enchant. heal staff is atm defending with disease.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Imo, surge is one of the best small scale PVP damage sets. It adds similar spell damage to julianos (~100 less after buffs) and has a proc that breaks cloak and procs concussion. If you don't have a source of concussion in your build the proc will make Surge outperform all other damage sets in game.

Simple as that really

It also procs skoria onbuilds that usually don't have enough DoTs

ok so this set is only usefull in cp campain whicht i try do avoid due to the overpopulation and the lag in there; thx lexy

sotha sil 4tw

No, it's the absolute undebatable BiS for damage in no-CP, on any single target focused build. there's nothing that comes close, it'll be your strongest DoT, increase all your other damage by 8% with good uptime, and incredible 2-4 bonuses. Spinners gives you ~5% damage on the 5pc and it doesn't work on shield and has inferior 2-4 pc bonuses, as a reference. Surge outperforms that just with concussion uptime and adds an unblockable undodgeable DoT that breaks cloak and ticks harder than cripple

You won't see performance as good as surge in no-CP

yes im going to try it on my dw light armour mageblade. i will try wizards riposte+ surge on dw bar. maybe i can bring her more in line to the power of my heavy stamblade

make sure you swap out any shock glyphs you were running for disease so you can fish for the major defile proc with your glyph instead of fishing for concussion procs with your glyph

aye! thx. what type of weapons would u sugest? atm i run 2 wiz riposte infused, the main hand with oblivion and the off hand with spell dmg enchant. heal staff is atm defending with disease.

Infused is BiS I think. You can probably drop the oblivion enchant since you'll have Surge to keep damage on blockers, but I'd keep it until you test Surge and see if it's enough to handle block builds alone. Path+surge is adequate pressure against most blockers but idk if you've got space for path on a melee build.

I run a powered resto, but that's just because I got a gold one from leaderboard rewards.

If you don't need the oblivion glyph then I'd sub it for disease. Disease glyphs can proc the diseases status effect, applying major defile to people who don't have disease resist in their build. An under-rated option on melee builds is frost as well, chilled status effect applies a strong snare so if you're lacking one in your build you can recoup it here. Flame is classic, extra damage vs vamps and if you proc burning you get a nice DoT.

Keep the infused berserker enchant, that's just too much damage to pass.

i always back bar some nasty poison

thx. backbar ressource or doble life drain poison sounds liek a goodd idea

Surge doesnt SEEM to deal much damage...but when you add in all other damages, vamps bane, prufying light, skoria, sweeps, maybe empowering depending on your bar setup, and danage health poisons...it adds up to being ALOT.

Lets pretend here for a sec, just with tooltips and battlespirit. You deal 6k skoria, 7.5k surge, and roughly 5k poison. Thats roughly 18.5k damage after battlespirit every six seconds roughly. You can even cut it down to how much over 1 second...which is roughly 3k...in cyrodil, after battlespirit and before resists (which shouldnt be terribly lower). 3k...every one second! Thats higher than vampires bane by 3x. It will end up being the second or third danage item on your list of damage everytime, second to sweeps. And tying with skoria. Its basically like having a single target, DoT version of skoria that cannot be blocked and will have a chance to debuff your target to take more damage and to ice the top of this beautiful cake, you can pull nightblades out of stealth and, as long as you can stay around them keep them from entering stealth again...its accually better than skoria, and its FREE. Allowing you to sweep spam your hearts content