What if the Bow Heavy Attack was a Channel with AOE Damage? (Like Lightning Staff)
GrumpyDuckling
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The Lightning Staff heavy attack feels really good and efficient to use during combat:
- Continuous channeled damage during the heavy attack
- Damage to multiple enemies who are grouped together
- Resource return at the end of the attack
The Bow heavy attack doesn't feel as great to use during combat:
- Empty charge time that does not offer any damage
- Damage to only one enemy
- Resource return at the end of the attack
Perhaps the Bow heavy attack could be re-worked into a channel, AOE attack that offers a stamina AOE heavy attack similar to the Lightning Staff:
- Holding down heavy attack button fires three quick, consecutive arrows (works as a channel)
- Arrows split and ricochet when they hit the targeted enemy, dealing damage to other nearby enemies (AOE damage)
- Resource return at the end of the attack
Two-Hand heavy attack currently offers AOE splash damage, which is great. Unfortunately, the short melee range of Two-Hand creates limited options for my stamina characters compared to Lightning Staff for my magicka characters - who can attack bosses and mobs either safely from a distance, or up in enemies' faces. Perhaps offering a channeled, AOE heavy attack for the bow would allow stamina characters more interesting/versatile combat options. I make this suggestion now, after ZOS changed light attacks to be more damage focused, and heavy attacks to be more resource restoring focused (I believe that change was made during HOTR, if I'm not mistaken). If a channeled bow heavy attack were to be implemented, then losing a single-shot bow heavy attack in PVP might not be that much of a loss since the light/heavy damage changes.
- Continuous channeled damage during the heavy attack
- Damage to multiple enemies who are grouped together
- Resource return at the end of the attack
The Bow heavy attack doesn't feel as great to use during combat:
- Empty charge time that does not offer any damage
- Damage to only one enemy
- Resource return at the end of the attack
Perhaps the Bow heavy attack could be re-worked into a channel, AOE attack that offers a stamina AOE heavy attack similar to the Lightning Staff:
- Holding down heavy attack button fires three quick, consecutive arrows (works as a channel)
- Arrows split and ricochet when they hit the targeted enemy, dealing damage to other nearby enemies (AOE damage)
- Resource return at the end of the attack
Two-Hand heavy attack currently offers AOE splash damage, which is great. Unfortunately, the short melee range of Two-Hand creates limited options for my stamina characters compared to Lightning Staff for my magicka characters - who can attack bosses and mobs either safely from a distance, or up in enemies' faces. Perhaps offering a channeled, AOE heavy attack for the bow would allow stamina characters more interesting/versatile combat options. I make this suggestion now, after ZOS changed light attacks to be more damage focused, and heavy attacks to be more resource restoring focused (I believe that change was made during HOTR, if I'm not mistaken). If a channeled bow heavy attack were to be implemented, then losing a single-shot bow heavy attack in PVP might not be that much of a loss since the light/heavy damage changes.
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Liofa✭✭✭✭✭
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On the topic , Bow Heavy Attack is only for useful for ganking people in Cyrodiil as a Stam DK , thanks to Molten Armaments . Other than that , I have never seen anyone doing a heavy attack with a bow . Of course there will be some snowflakes but yeah ... Could use a small buff or rework ^^2 -
raj72616a✭✭✭✭✭lightning staff has the best heavy attack
dual wielding's heavy attack count as 2 hits and have 2 chance to proc things
resto staff's heavy restore extra resources
frost staff's heavy can taunt and give a damage shield
bow, fire staff, one hand and shield, those three have heavy attacks that offer nothing extra1 -
Liofa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭lightning staff has the best heavy attack
dual wielding's heavy attack count as 2 hits and have 2 chance to proc things
resto staff's heavy restore extra resources
frost staff's heavy can taunt and give a damage shield
bow, fire staff, one hand and shield, those three have heavy attacks that offer nothing extra
Just want to correct something .
Fire Staff heavy attack does 12% more damage . Also 8% more because it's a fire staff ^^0 -
raj72616a✭✭✭✭✭oh well i checked the skills more carefully
2handed gives a pitiful splash damage on heavy attack
bow gives +5% to bow skills for 5 second on heavy attack
so 1H and Shield is the only weapon type that really gives nothing to heavy attack. tho it's the only weapon skill that buffs bash attacks.0 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Too clunky and also kinda removes the aspect of light/heavy being the most basic skills possible (tho lightning heavies go against this already, but magic...)
I would be fine if bow heavy was just faster. Much faster. It has very long charge time that is so obvious that nobody in PVP (even without Miat) allows you to cast it and in PVE the dps quickly drops once you have to use them.Edited by SodanTok on October 10, 2017 10:20AM3 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You can achieve splash damage with a bow attack at the moment. You´ll need:
* A bow
* A 2handed weapon
* At least one point into forcefull passive (2handed skilline)
Step 1: Charge up a fully charged heavy attack on your bowbar
Step 2: Cancel the charged bow attack by barswapping to your 2 hander bar
Step 3: You´ll now get splash damage with a bow attack since the game consider the heavy attack from the bowbar as a 2handed attack since you´re on that bar (still works, tested it a few days ago)2 -
Maryal✭✭✭✭✭
✭It sounds interesting, but would you still be able to use this type of heavy attack to weave with your bow skills (to help manage resources)?
Personally, I dislike how ZOS changed the bow heavy attack and would welcome a change to it.1 -
Toc de Malsvi✭✭✭✭✭
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On the topic , Bow Heavy Attack is only for useful for ganking people in Cyrodiil as a Stam DK , thanks to Molten Armaments . Other than that , I have never seen anyone doing a heavy attack with a bow . Of course there will be some snowflakes but yeah ... Could use a small buff or rework ^^
I dont believe this is a viable option anymore. Bow heavies were double nerfed in morrowind, first with the overrall nerf to all heavy attacks, second with a 10% nerf to bow heavy attacks. This was supposed to be compensation for faster heavy attacks, however not only were heavy attacks not actually sped up, but flight time was ignored as part of this calculation.
Prior to that, you didn't need to be a ganker per se, laying Rearming trap at your feet and charging heavies, enticed players into gap closing you, they triggered trap and you released heavy into draining shot + dragon leap. This required being able to hold your heavies, too early or late a release and you wouldn't get the burst lined up with trap and draining shot.Edited by Toc de Malsvi on October 11, 2017 8:30PMLegendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..1 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Archers live by speed and maneuverability. I'd consider working in heavy attacks if I could move at full speed and the attack itself was perhaps twice as fast.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo2 -
Baconlad✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wow this is a GREAT idea. It seperates snipe as the hard hitting gank or ranged skill, and give a faster feel to the bow.0 -
Zer0oo✭✭✭✭✭
✭You would be 90% snared all the time since you were stuck in a channeled attack.
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Didaco✭✭✭✭lightning staff has the best heavy attack
dual wielding's heavy attack count as 2 hits and have 2 chance to proc things
resto staff's heavy restore extra resources
frost staff's heavy can taunt and give a damage shield
bow, fire staff, one hand and shield, those three have heavy attacks that offer nothing extra
Just want to correct something .
Fire Staff heavy attack does 12% more damage . Also 8% more because it's a fire staff ^^
The 8% bonus only works on abilities.0 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭lightning staff has the best heavy attack
dual wielding's heavy attack count as 2 hits and have 2 chance to proc things
resto staff's heavy restore extra resources
frost staff's heavy can taunt and give a damage shield
bow, fire staff, one hand and shield, those three have heavy attacks that offer nothing extra
Just want to correct something .
Fire Staff heavy attack does 12% more damage . Also 8% more because it's a fire staff ^^
The 8% bonus only works on abilities.
Light/heavy attacks are abilities. Unless you mean you know for sure it does not work on light/heavy0 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You would be 90% snared all the time since you were stuck in a channeled attack.
It's been about a month since I used my magicka sorcerer with lightning staff, but if I remember correctly I could exit the channeled heavy attack by pressing block or dodge-rolling. Perhaps bow could work similarly?0 -
Toc de Malsvi✭✭✭✭✭
✭You would be 90% snared all the time since you were stuck in a channeled attack.
I think the primary benefit of such a change wouldnt be in constant heavy attacks. But rather in being able to get any resources from heavy attacks in pvp. Landing a fully charged bow heavy in pvp at the moment is neigh impossible.
Not that you should be heavy attacking all the time, but getting some resources some times would be nice.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..1