Each alliance storyline establishes relatively early on the existence of rogue elements and dissident factions with the alliance. Just completing your own alliance storyline is enough to tell you that there are plenty of nobles, generals, and politicians within your alliance who are all too willing to step out of line for the sake of advancing their own power. It's not surprising at all when we travel to other alliances and find that, once free of the direct supervision of the relevant authorities, some do exactly that.

TheMaster wrote: »

That’s plenty believable if you’re not a delusional loyalist and think your alliance is the harbinger of peace and good will. They’re all guilty of doing horrible things in the name of victory.

Not really since you are the hero of your alliance. In AD, for example you are a member of the Queen's guard and one of her closest confidants. It makes zero sense to kill AD in other zones.

This is an oversight of OT. Cadwell's Gold/Silver reconciles this by basically saying your adventures in the other factions aren't real and represent a "what if" illusion.

hmmmm, this has the beginnings of a saucy thread...

yeah, there is most definitely quite a bit of wickedness throughout each zone...

Out of all the things my vestige has done that's the last thing on his mind.

What dou you think we are?

What wields un-tamrielic power, dies and reincorportes, kills so many lifeforms molag offers a soldier in its army for every one it killed, can close daedric portals without training and kicks it in cold harbour like a native?

I point a paw at him . It's his lore .

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Though it might just be that ZOS seems to struggle with addressing the elephant in the room when it comes to the EP. Slavery. 10 years of freedom will not erase the millenias of wrongs and pain the Dunmer have enacted upon the Argonians. Yet there is very little in the way of this sort of hostility that should exist between the two. And then theres the almost forgettable slavery of Khajiit and Bretons that are overlooked by the Nords (those responsible for pushing the Dunmer to free their Argonian slaves). A farm with khajiit slaves is the center of a storyline in Stonefalls and quickly is forgotten once you move on to the final Brother of Strife storyline just a short jog down the road. And you might entirely miss the Bretons being enslaved by Dunmer if you didnt run into a Breton girl trying to escape along the riverbed in Shadowfen. You have a choice of turning her in to her owner or helping her escape. Its not until you reach Stormhaven in the DC storyline that you start seeing the actual act of enslavement by Dunmer on Bretons.

I think its handled fine. Argonians are simply presented as a passive race. They grumble, they groan, and whine when told to do something they don't like (enslaved or not, one example is the dialogue in Mornhold, about one complaining he has to register to enter). But they do as the rules say anyway. There is very few that actually rebel and take drastic actions. The ones who do are usually cut down (by the player no less). Other Argonians typically shun those that do.

This is not just limited to ESO. I've seen Argonians act like this in Oblivion and Skyrim as well. The race isn't easily fired up. Maybe its a cultural thing, maybe because they are lizard-like. I dunno, but lore tends to support this. And dialogue such as "Fire does what fire does, just as dark elves do what dark elves do."

As for Khajit and Breton slaves. Ebonheart Pact did NOT outlaw slavery. It only banned the slavery of PACT races. Dunmer cannot enslave Nords or Argonians. But the enslavement of enemy is perfectly fine.

Also one thing to remember, players typically play a race from their alliance. Its an account unlock that allows them to play different races. When you play a DC or AD in EP lands, you're seen as 'one of them'. You're probably seen as a Nord, Dunmer, or Argonian. When you have the any race any alliance unlock you're considered an exception and not the rule. Besides being the vestige means no one is going to try to enslave you. If Molag Bal can't break your will, no mortal can.

Another fact that helps the Pact is isn't not merely an Alliance between Argonians and Dunmer, but Nords as well. Nords are rough with everyone, and Argonians are going to see that a Nord is treating them the same as they treat the Dunmer. That helps.

The one thing weird about the Ebonheart Pact is King Joruun. I'm surprised the Tribunal allowed a Nord to lead them in the Alliance. Obviously they are detached when it comes to Alliance dealings. But they've allowed the Houses of Dunmer to ally with the Nords under their King. While the King has no power within Dunmer matters, its still a bit odd to see living god defer to his leadership.