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Feels like this winter will be the DESTINY winter for ESO.
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Hanzus✭✭✭Destiny, not hardly, for me anyways. The new Call of Duty WW2 coming out looks good though, but its not going to stop me from playing ESO
. "Walk always in the light, or we will drag you to it."
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Nords, the true sons of Skyrim!
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✭MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Destiny is a PvPMMO, this game is a PvE MMO for 80% of the game. Destiny will not bring the doom for ESO.
The fact most devs appear to be in the 20% that believe this game is a PvPMMO is more troubling than the presence of Destiny 2, WoW, Hello Kitty or whatever is the vogue flavor of the moment MMO is...
theres a hello kitty mmo? later eso, im leaving!2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah I remember some time ago people were saying that soon game will become (Black) desert.2 -
Onu✭✭
I don't really get how that can be said, when there's been absolutely no updates or improvements to Cyrodiil, which is the best part of PvP in ESO, to me. Everything else in every DLC/update is PvE, and I'm sure that does make a lot of people happy. I don't give a damn about the Battlegrounds thing they tried with Morrowind, never going to bother with it. But this doesn't mean the devs focus primarily on PvP. I'd say the exact opposite, unfortunately.MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Destiny is a PvPMMO, this game is a PvE MMO for 80% of the game. Destiny will not bring the doom for ESO.
The fact most devs appear to be in the 20% that believe this game is a PvPMMO is more troubling than the presence of Destiny 2, WoW, Hello Kitty or whatever is the vogue flavor of the moment MMO is...
While there are many alternatives as far as "scratching that PvP itch," I still think it's invaluable as far as MMO longevity and replayability.BrianDavion wrote: »the idea that PVP is ESSENTIAL for MMOs has long been ovler sold. The thing about PVP is that it's a form of end game that is doable by small groups or individuals, a type of gameplay that is often fairly varied. and THAT is useful sure, but PVP itself? not really. hell PVP is proably the least important facet of a MMO because there are so many alternatives.
There's a limited pace at which devs can continually churn out new ideas and create content, lulls between updates and expacs. When players get bored of grinding the same old content, PvP is great both as a primary focus for people who enjoy it and filler for those who just dabble casually in it... because it's spontaneous and unpredictable, everything is a relatively unexpected new experience because you don't know what the other players will do and where they'll go. It's new stimulation when the same old PvE might have become stale. And that will always be the case.
When I came to ESO, I didn't really even want to bother with dungeons because it's the same old thing. I only do them if I'm forced to for gear/sets/monster sets, not for any enjoyment, because I'm tired of the same "learn the mechanics, give it a few tries, memorize it and execute mechanics flawlessly." I did server first Mythic raiding in WoW, I don't really need more of that.
What I truly care about is Cyrodiil PvP, an open battlefield where you can't predict which group will go where and how the map may change. And ESO offers that unique experience, which is unfortunately mostly neglected.
To assume that PvP is unimportant is a mistake.Eshtarra | Bosmer Templar (AD) | PC NA3 -
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Well if you were looking for good PvP experience and came to ESO I feel a little sorry for you... What did you expect? Zenimax/Bethesda have no experience in online games, surely not PvP. On the other hand there are companies on the market like Dice for example, who have in their staff PvP games developers with experience of over 15 years..
I don't really get how that can be said, when there's been absolutely no updates or improvements to Cyrodiil, which is the best part of PvP in ESO, to me. Everything else in every DLC/update is PvE, and I'm sure that does make a lot of people happy. I don't give a damn about the Battlegrounds thing they tried with Morrowind, never going to bother with it. But this doesn't mean the devs focus primarily on PvP. I'd say the exact opposite, unfortunately.MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Destiny is a PvPMMO, this game is a PvE MMO for 80% of the game. Destiny will not bring the doom for ESO.
The fact most devs appear to be in the 20% that believe this game is a PvPMMO is more troubling than the presence of Destiny 2, WoW, Hello Kitty or whatever is the vogue flavor of the moment MMO is...
While there are many alternatives as far as "scratching that PvP itch," I still think it's invaluable as far as MMO longevity and replayability.BrianDavion wrote: »the idea that PVP is ESSENTIAL for MMOs has long been ovler sold. The thing about PVP is that it's a form of end game that is doable by small groups or individuals, a type of gameplay that is often fairly varied. and THAT is useful sure, but PVP itself? not really. hell PVP is proably the least important facet of a MMO because there are so many alternatives.
There's a limited pace at which devs can continually churn out new ideas and create content, lulls between updates and expacs. When players get bored of grinding the same old content, PvP is great both as a primary focus for people who enjoy it and filler for those who just dabble casually in it... because it's spontaneous and unpredictable, everything is a relatively unexpected new experience because you don't know what the other players will do and where they'll go. It's new stimulation when the same old PvE might have become stale. And that will always be the case.
When I came to ESO, I didn't really even want to bother with dungeons because it's the same old thing. I only do them if I'm forced to for gear/sets/monster sets, not for any enjoyment, because I'm tired of the same "learn the mechanics, give it a few tries, memorize it and execute mechanics flawlessly." I did server first Mythic raiding in WoW, I don't really need more of that.
What I truly care about is Cyrodiil PvP, an open battlefield where you can't predict which group will go where and how the map may change. And ESO offers that unique experience, which is unfortunately mostly neglected.
To assume that PvP is unimportant is a mistake.
While ZoS struggle to balance out 4 classes, and don't even have a steady heading, veteran PvP companies think about every minor detail in their games. You won't even believe it if you try them out.
Proper PvP game will bring you a lot of joy, happiness and anger. You will be really angry at times getting owned and will be feeling like a winner when you get the one you hate down. In ESO PvP a player most of the time will experience disappointment. From a lag, loading screen, unbalanced game etc...
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✭✭✭✭✭Everyone who thinks one game will take them away from another are not true gamers. You find the time for ALL that you enjoy. I've been playing several other games here and there and I still enjoy ESO. Planetside 2, Cities Skylines, my entire Xbox Library of Mass Effect, CoD, Wolfenstein, Halo etc.
I'm beyond excited for Wolfenstein 2 releasing soon, but it won't take me from ESO.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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16BitForestCat✭✭✭✭✭Inhuman003 wrote: »so what's in your future is it real life events or are you just tired of the game for now or for good?
I don't think we're fortunate enough for it to be "for good."
As for me...Destiny whaa? 2 who? Destiny's Child? Are they having a comeback? I'll take ESO music over 99.99% of pop music, thanks.
—PC/NA, never Steam—
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Mocking the false gender binary since the 1970s.
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✭✭✭✭✭to be honest, the only thing right now that might lure me away from the indescribable joy I feel pouring flaming oil over other players is - the chance to do a "force choke" on folks...
now that, would most definitely sound like some fun...Edited by geonsocal on October 8, 2017 3:11AMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place2 -
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✭Some of the console players left for destiny 2 when it launched last month. Most of them have already come back to ESO. I see the same thing happening on PC when it launches later this month.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BrianDavion wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Destiny is a PvPMMO, this game is a PvE MMO for 80% of the game. Destiny will not bring the doom for ESO.
The fact most devs appear to be in the 20% that believe this game is a PvPMMO is more troubling than the presence of Destiny 2, WoW, Hello Kitty or whatever is the vogue flavor of the moment MMO is...
Pve only mmos dont last. Theres a reason to have a healthy pvp environment
LOTRO was still alive last I checked. Generally there are plenty of people who never really touch PVP in MMOs. the idea that PVP is ESSENTIAL for MMOs has long been ovler sold. The thing about PVP is that it's a form of end game that is doable by small groups or individuals, a type of gameplay that is often fairly varied. and THAT is useful sure, but PVP itself? not really. hell PVP is proably the least important facet of a MMO because there are so many alternatives. (many FPSes and MOBAs offer a better PVP experiance then a MMO ever could, because they are 100% designed around PVP.)
Not at all true . Look at the population of PVP games vs PVE games . League of Legends could pay the budget for Lotr a hundred times over . Their neglect for a real PVP system left their population abysmal since launch with the movies still in theatres . Huge mistake for profits . Know why no one can beat wow ? Perfect balance of the two . They pay attention to PVP and PVE and make it competitive . Overwatch , For Honor , Call of Duty , Grand Theft auto . All big budget PVP games out gross PVE only games in the multiplayer section of gaming . It's really time for PVE only players to recognize their numbers are the lowest accross every gaming market . The only place where PVE only is super successful is single player titles and well , that's sort of a no brainer .3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »BrianDavion wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Destiny is a PvPMMO, this game is a PvE MMO for 80% of the game. Destiny will not bring the doom for ESO.
The fact most devs appear to be in the 20% that believe this game is a PvPMMO is more troubling than the presence of Destiny 2, WoW, Hello Kitty or whatever is the vogue flavor of the moment MMO is...
Pve only mmos dont last. Theres a reason to have a healthy pvp environment
LOTRO was still alive last I checked. Generally there are plenty of people who never really touch PVP in MMOs. the idea that PVP is ESSENTIAL for MMOs has long been ovler sold. The thing about PVP is that it's a form of end game that is doable by small groups or individuals, a type of gameplay that is often fairly varied. and THAT is useful sure, but PVP itself? not really. hell PVP is proably the least important facet of a MMO because there are so many alternatives. (many FPSes and MOBAs offer a better PVP experiance then a MMO ever could, because they are 100% designed around PVP.)
They pay attention to PVP and PVE and make it competitive . Overwatch , For Honor , Call of Duty , Grand Theft auto . All big budget PVP games out gross PVE only games in the multiplayer section of gaming .
You do know Call of Duty started out as a Singleplayer experience only before online Multiplayer became a thing, and even to this day continues to provide Singleplayer Campaigns. You can't really call it just a PvP Game. Nor GTA since that has a huge Singleplayer storyline.Edited by ArchMikem on October 8, 2017 2:53AMCP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »BrianDavion wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Destiny is a PvPMMO, this game is a PvE MMO for 80% of the game. Destiny will not bring the doom for ESO.
The fact most devs appear to be in the 20% that believe this game is a PvPMMO is more troubling than the presence of Destiny 2, WoW, Hello Kitty or whatever is the vogue flavor of the moment MMO is...
Pve only mmos dont last. Theres a reason to have a healthy pvp environment
LOTRO was still alive last I checked. Generally there are plenty of people who never really touch PVP in MMOs. the idea that PVP is ESSENTIAL for MMOs has long been ovler sold. The thing about PVP is that it's a form of end game that is doable by small groups or individuals, a type of gameplay that is often fairly varied. and THAT is useful sure, but PVP itself? not really. hell PVP is proably the least important facet of a MMO because there are so many alternatives. (many FPSes and MOBAs offer a better PVP experiance then a MMO ever could, because they are 100% designed around PVP.)
They pay attention to PVP and PVE and make it competitive . Overwatch , For Honor , Call of Duty , Grand Theft auto . All big budget PVP games out gross PVE only games in the multiplayer section of gaming .
You do know Call of Duty started out as a Singleplayer experience only before online Multiplayer became a thing, and even to this day continues to provide Singleplayer Campaigns. You can't really call it just a PvP Game. Nor GTA since that has a huge Singleplayer storyline.
The point remains the same no matter how they started the evolution brought them into PVP online and their sales continue to break old records . The amount of money generated skyrocketing with online PVP versions . Developers know this and corporations know this . Games without those features don't generate the same revenue . Seriously go check into Black Desert , a forced PVP game . Go look how many people are online . Research their current subscriber numbers . They post that because they can . I guarantee you will see a huge difference in population then here .Edited by Rohamad_Ali on October 8, 2017 3:10AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Now if Red Dead 2 had released this winter I would have been awol.
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BrightOblivion✭✭✭✭✭ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »Well, I predict winter is coming, so at least something is right.
The Starks are always right eventually.
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✭MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Destiny is a PvPMMO, this game is a PvE MMO for 80% of the game. Destiny will not bring the doom for ESO.
The fact most devs appear to be in the 20% that believe this game is a PvPMMO is more troubling than the presence of Destiny 2, WoW, Hello Kitty or whatever is the vogue flavor of the moment MMO is...
Destiny already doomed so it won't doom anything else lol. D2 I've finished 100%, all exotics and max level on 3 char. and platinum trophy for the game within 2 and half weeks... the level of replayable content in Destiny is more shallow than a kiddy pool (and I like Destiny.) The bungie forums are currently 90% people expressing the same thing.
how anybody could think it would spell doom for anything?
You are misguided with your beginning comment though... there is far more PVP in ESO than even in Destiny, but both are PVE centric games. Both games are like 90%+ PVE content.
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GiuEliN0✭✭✭Can I have ur stuff?
Ty and bye.
(Sorry if someone already asked)Beta-tester January 2014
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✭✭Why though?
It is a sci fi shooter themed err MMO its an MMO right? I don't even care... I have 0% hype for it. I don't even know anything about it.
Anyone that plays ESO for the setting isn't going anywhere.
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✭Alexandrious wrote: »Kneighbors wrote: »Don't you feel so guys?
Sadly, im giving Destiny 2 a pass, its just Destiny 1 only with bigger micro transactions, a B.S Dye system, and other things they keep making mistakes on, yes the gunplay is excellent, and heck they even added a hell of alot more story this time, but everything else....the game just feels like an expansion, and should have been.
P2W confirmed.Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, nightblade dps - PC EU (Retired)
Huyen Lightpaw, templar healer - PC EU (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, necromancer dps - PC EU (Retired)
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craftycarper73✭✭✭✭✭got destiny 2 because i enjoyed destiny 1, yes story in D2 is better but the strikes are boring, the nightfalls are boring, the pvp is better this time around though the lag switchers still infest the game, iron banner returns next week, that was always fun, not done the raid yet, but that will be soon, just waiting for friends to get the power level required.
The game that will hurt a lot off MMO's currently out imo is, anthem, the snippets of that game look epic, the game Destiny should of been.
Not been on ESO now for a week or so, the break has been nice, it was becoming boring, same shite different day, witches festival is when i will more than likely log back on, then the new dlc, hopefully that will be me back on ESO for the long haul again.Born, Bred & Made in Manchester UK, RIP 22 Angels. 22/05/2017
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The Place by Tony Walsh Please ReadThis is the place in the North West of England
It’s ace, it’s the best and the songs that we sing
From the stands, from our bands set the whole planet shaking
Our inventions are legends! There’s nowt we can’t make and
So we make brilliant music. We make brilliant bands
We make goals that make souls leap from seats in the stands
And we make things from steel and we make things from cotton
And we make people laugh, take the mick summat rotten
And we make you at home and we make you feel welcome
And we make summat happen, we can’t seem to help it
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But the Manchester way is to make it yourself
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And make us a brew while you’re up, love. Go on!
And make us feel proud that you’re winning the league
And make us sing louder and make us believe it
that this is the place that has helped shape the world
And that this the place where a Manchester girl
Name of Emmeline Pankhurst from the streets of Moss Side
Led a Suffragette City with sisterhood pride
And this is the place with appliance of science
We’re on it, atomic, we strut with defiance
In the face of a challenge we always stand tall
Mancunians in union delivered it all
Such as housing and libraries, and health, education
And unions and co-ops, the first railway station
So we’re sorry! Bear with us! We invented commuters!
But we hope you forgive us – we invented computers!
And this is the place Henry Royce strolled with Rolls
And we’ve rocked and we’ve rolled with our own Northern Soul
And so this is the place to do business, then dance
Where go-getters and goal setters know they’ve a chance
And this is the place where we first played as kids
And me Mam lived and died here, she loved it she did
And this is the place where our folks came to work
Where they struggled in puddles, they hurt in the dirt
And they built us a city. They built us these towns
And they coughed on the cobbles to the deafening sound
Of the steaming machines and the screaming of slaves
They were scheming for greatness, they dreamed to their graves
And they left us a spirit, they left us a vibe
The Mancunian Way to survive and to thrive
And to work and to build, to connect and create and
Greater Manchester’s greatness is keeping it great
And so this is the place now we’ve kids of our own
Some are born here, some drawn here but we all call it home
And they’ve covered the cobbles, but they’ll never defeat
All the dreamers and schemers who still teem through these streets
Because this is a place that has been through some hard times
Oppressions, recessions, depressions and dark times
But we keep fighting back with Greater Manchester spirit
Northern grit, northern wit in Greater Manchester’s lyrics
And there’s hard times again in these streets of our city
But we won’t take defeat and we don’t want your pity
Because this a place where we stand strong together
With a smile on our face, Mancunians Forever
And we’ve got this* as the place where a team with a dream (*Forever Manchester)
Can get funding and something to help with their scheme
Because this is the place that understands your grand plans
We don’t do No Can Do, we just stress Yes We Can!
Forever Manchester’s a charity for people round ‘ere
You can fundraise, donate. You can be a volunteer
You can live local, give local. We can honestly say
We do charity differently, that Mancunian Way
And we fund local kids, and we fund local teams
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Because this is the place that’s a part of our bones
‘Cos Greater Manchester gives us such strength from the fact
That this is the place. We should give something back.
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✭✭✭khajiit iz staying, in case you are also no PC EU Tamriel, can this one have all your stuff?
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✭✭Kneighbors wrote: »Why would I leave a awesome MMo set in my favorite universe for a crappy Halo ripoff that is voiced by an actor I despise?
I mean yeah the under 14 crowd may leave, but that's a bonus.
Actually playing on PC EU I've never met anyone younger than 20 years old. There are definitely not many 14 y/o out there playing this game.
You have no idea, there are so many, of them guess you are in mature guilds only and you don't pvp very often0
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