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Khajitts killing large cats, and Argonians killing Alligators.

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Axoinus
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Something not right with this. Shouldn't these groups be like allies or have telepathy or something? Attraction Issues? Breeding? Having trouble processing this.

  • SolidusPrime
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    It'd be like humans killing monkey's right?

    A lot of us have an aversion to killing animals, but you're going to do what you gotta do when a giant, murderous ape comes at you :)

    (And we don't have telepathy with them :P )
  • Axoinus
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    SolidusPrime wrote: »
    It'd be like humans killing monkey's right?

    A lot of us have an aversion to killing animals, but you're going to do what you gotta do when a giant, murderous ape comes at you :)

    (And we don't have telepathy with them :P )

    Good point. So to make it fair, we need to add apes to the game then. They could attack us from the trees and have bananas as ranged attacks.

    I think that would close the loop on this and reconcile the situation.
  • UnseenCat
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    Monkeys? Make them a minor annoyance, like angering mudcrabs or ankle-biting rats.

    Monkey attack -- Fling poo... :p
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    I get sad every time I have to kill a wamasu. :'(
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  • Kurkikohtaus
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    There is a game out there where monkeys fling poo... it's a single player RPG, a sequel, can't remember the name ... anyone?
  • jlboozer
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    You're over thinking it bud!
  • SydneyGrey
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    UnseenCat wrote: »
    Monkey attack -- Fling poo... :p
    That literally happened to my mom one time when I was a little kid and she took us to the zoo. LOL!
  • Hippie4927
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    Kurkikohtaus wrote: »
    There is a game out there where monkeys fling poo... it's a single player RPG, a sequel, can't remember the name ... anyone?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJIMj4USVJs
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  • Danikat
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    If you find that weird try reading into Bosmer culture, particularly the tenants of the Green Pact.

    The short version is that not only do they regularly kill a whole variety of animals and people, including other bosmer, but they believe they are required to eat them afterwards.

    More seriously what about the various kinds of humans? They are actually the same species, just different cultures. Shouldn't they have a psychic connection and refuse to fight each other?
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  • Rouven
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    Hippie4927 wrote: »
    Kurkikohtaus wrote: »
    There is a game out there where monkeys fling poo... it's a single player RPG, a sequel, can't remember the name ... anyone?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJIMj4USVJs

    "He" jumped under the bird poop. Lol. And get's eaten by khajiit, Brutal! Had to watch the whole thing :D

    Edit: Removed initial brainfart!
    Edited by Rouven on October 7, 2017 7:01PM
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  • whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO
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    This one thinks your are talking about a little Cat on Cat violence....correct...

    and that the Argonians are committing Lizard on Lizard violence.... it happens...um get over it .
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    For Argonians killing alligators, why not they are not related in any way and alligator tastes good.
    Same for an Khajiit killing an lion outside of the tasting good part, now senche is another issue and I think the senche mobs is one of the weakest part of ESO game design as lore, senche is khajiit, yes you might have feral senche but having them together with khajiit bandits or other enemies would make far more sense than having them as general animal mobs around.
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  • EvilCroc
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    We still need humans killing apes, orcs killing pigs and elves killing gods.
  • STEVIL
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    Axoinus wrote: »
    Something not right with this. Shouldn't these groups be like allies or have telepathy or something? Attraction Issues? Breeding? Having trouble processing this.

    two of my argonians never killed a gator. passed up on those quests for gator teeth and such and evaded when attacked on the fly.

    Now, wamasu... thats another story.

    My kitties have had no such problems. See it as natural selection - selecting their furs for others gold.

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  • Enslaved
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    Axoinus wrote: »
    Something not right with this. Shouldn't these groups be like allies or have telepathy or something? Attraction Issues? Breeding? Having trouble processing this.

    I agree. Khajiit should not kill Senche tigers at all.
  • UnseenCat
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    I can sort of see Khajiit vs anonymous Senche as territorial challenge / tribal warfare. However, it could be handled better in the game -- something more constructive in the gameplay and lore rather than the current blind aggression.

    In fact, why not offer limited interaction with some Senche in the field with a racial passive "persuade" effect, similar to the Mages' Guild's Persuasive Will or Fighters' Guild'd Intimidate abilities. Level up far enough in the Khajiit racial skill line, and gain a "Command Senche" ability that can give you the option of commanding or persuading Senche tigers to stand-down from attacking, or at higher levels, coerce them to fight alongside you temporarily like a combat pet against other nearby enemies/mobs. Create a similar racial synergy for Argonians, too. The result would add an extra dimension to group and guild play -- as these racial traits would be available by including Khajiit and/or Argonians in the party to gain the advantage of working with some of the wildlife. We already have a limited, automatic effect like this with the baby wasps that will temporarily tag along with you and sting other attackers.
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    Axoinus wrote: »
    Something not right with this. Shouldn't these groups be like allies or have telepathy or something? Attraction Issues? Breeding? Having trouble processing this.

    I wonder if Altmer face the same dilemma.....with skeevers.
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    Insert highlander meme......
    Edited by UppGRAYxDD on October 7, 2017 9:51PM
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  • newtinmpls
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    and mer killing monkeys
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  • Runs
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    Axoinus wrote: »
    Something not right with this. Shouldn't these groups be like allies or have telepathy or something? Attraction Issues? Breeding? Having trouble processing this.

    I don't understand.

    Are all Bosmer, Orcs, Altmer, Redguard, Bretons, Dunmer, Imperials friendly with their own kind? I understand alligators may not be Argonians... But Senche are Khajiit, so are house cats, just born under different moons iirc.
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    If it tastes good. Ill eat it
  • TheShadowScout
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    SolidusPrime wrote: »
    It'd be like humans killing monkey's right?
    Apes, actually. There is a difference there, just ask the librarian at the unseen university! ;)
    But the general principle is right on the mark!
    SolidusPrime wrote: »
    A lot of us have an aversion to killing animals, but you're going to do what you gotta do when a giant, murderous ape comes at you :)
    Exactly.
    Many people throughout history loved dogs or cats, but still would kill a wild, hungry wolf or tiger if it came to eat their face...

    ...

    What vexes me a little though is... why are wolves aggroing werewolves? Shouldn't they, I dunno, smell what that person is beneath the skin and give way to a bigger predator? Or bloodfiends and vampires... shouldn't all bloodfiends be neutral-yellow against vamps because of some undead cooperative sense or vampire mind control or something?
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    TheShadowScout wrote: »
    -snip-

    What vexes me a little though is... why are wolves aggroing werewolves? Shouldn't they, I dunno, smell what that person is beneath the skin and give way to a bigger predator? Or bloodfiends and vampires... shouldn't all bloodfiends be neutral-yellow against vamps because of some undead cooperative sense or vampire mind control or something?

    Who said vampires had to cooperate at all? Other vamps are competition, and the way I see it, bloodfiends are mindless masquerade breaches that kill the food supply en masse. I say stake 'em so the sheep remain docile :|
    Edited by LexrayEmberrr on October 8, 2017 12:01AM
  • MLGProPlayer
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    Wardens need a passive where wild animals don't attack them.

    At least we could use them for farming then.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on October 8, 2017 12:03AM
  • CyborgPlatypus
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    There will still be factions within the nonhumanoid Khajiit and argonians. It's not any different from killing humanoid npcs.

    Also Argonians aren't really like Khajiit, most subspecies aren't in game except Lamia(I think). And they don't have different forms like Khajiit do.
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    image of these mutants, created by magic, saddens me.
    Edited by Nord_Templar on October 9, 2017 11:31PM
  • LMar
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    Senches and house cats are not Khajiit. This senche matter was discussed when the mounts came out. The senche-khajiits are a different species from the wild senches. And housecats are housecats. The form that looks like a housecat but is a khajiit is different from normal non sentient cats. Sometimes you can't tell them apart but that's part of what makes them good spies.

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    Most cats are hostile towards other cats. :)
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    LMar wrote: »
    Senches and house cats are not Khajiit. This senche matter was discussed when the mounts came out. The senche-khajiits are a different species from the wild senches. And housecats are housecats. The form that looks like a housecat but is a khajiit is different from normal non sentient cats. Sometimes you can't tell them apart but that's part of what makes them good spies.

    Meow

    If I remember correctly the explanation is that senche is basically the Ta'agra (khajiit language) word for a big cat. So it's applied both to the biggest khajiit furstocks and to conventional big cats. Just like some khajiit may be called tigers or jaguars because they have a similar fur pattern, but no one is suggesting they are actually a tiger or jaguar.

    The khajiit senche are different to the mounts in-game though, importantly they're supposed to be the same height as an altmer, and the senche-raht are even bigger.

    And yes there's also the Alfiq who look like housecats (although I think other khajiit are able to tell them apart?) but they're not. Importantly they can understand speech and cast spells.
    Edited by Danikat on October 8, 2017 11:30AM
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  • LMar
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    Danikat wrote: »
    LMar wrote: »
    Senches and house cats are not Khajiit. This senche matter was discussed when the mounts came out. The senche-khajiits are a different species from the wild senches. And housecats are housecats. The form that looks like a housecat but is a khajiit is different from normal non sentient cats. Sometimes you can't tell them apart but that's part of what makes them good spies.

    Meow

    If I remember correctly the explanation is that senche is basically the Ta'agra (khajiit language) word for a big cat. So it's applied both to the biggest khajiit furstocks and to conventional big cats. Just like some khajiit may be called tigers or jaguars because they have a similar fur pattern, but no one is suggesting they are actually a tiger or jaguar.

    The khajiit senche are different to the mounts in-game though, importantly they're supposed to be the same height as an altmer, and the senche-raht are even bigger.

    And yes there's also the Alfiq who look like housecats (although I think other khajiit are able to tell them apart?) but they're not. Importantly they can understand speech and cast spells.

    Yes exactly!
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