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Werewolf Lord Polymorph
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✭And here I was hoping this year we’d get some vampire love for the festival. Didnt buy this last year, wont buy it now1 -
Necomis✭✭✭Very nice. This was an instant buy for my WW. Those Khajiit look awesome and so do the Argonian form. Now if there was a vampire lord form0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »The costume itself is ugly... How could anyone think its good...
Wouldn't the world be boring if everyone liked the exact same things?
A basic sense of fashion need be universal.
It's a werewolf not a beauty queen or a shopping mall diva.
This polymorph looks awesome.
The whole polymoprh is horrendus...not to mention extremely lorebreaking
@notimetocare "horrendus" is opinion.
How is it lore breaking?
Because it does not exist. Never has, and never logically can
But why?
Your argument has no basis behind it, especially considering the fact that the lore masters that work for Bethesda and ZOS can basically make whatever they want official lore pretty easily if it doesn't break something that is already canon.
This does break canon based on the fact Hircine it the father of manbeasts not slightly beastly men. There is no logic to a creature that isnt primarily beast form
If we're just going to go off of personal interpretation, this polymorph looks plenty man-beastly to me.
It's been stated a few times in various interviews and ESO Live shows that the lore is taken very seriously. They have someone who works full time at ZOS whose entire job is to know the lore, and he will stop something if it doesn't work within the canon. If there is no supporting fact within the canon, and nothing opposing it, he's been able to create it. I even remember once where it was mentioned they had to go back to people at the sister studio who made older TES games and ask about certain things.
You keep saying it's not logical but you wont say why. How is this absolutely not possible in the universe of Elder Scrolls? We have all manner of magical man, mer, beast, divine beings, so on, so forth. The ability to travel between mortal and godly/other wordly planes of existence. NPC characters can cast teleportation spells. A cat can disguise himself as an AD queen, etc., etc., blah blah, but there is no room for someone to be caught in what looks like a semi-transformed state between original species and werebeast?
Nope, there isnt room for it. And i trust ZoS to take lore seriously as much as i trust them to balance the game.
LOL ok. Great basis for your claims.
Better than your 'i think its cool'
Already stated before why it doesn't fit into lore, being a broken record for slow learners is tedious
You say it's not logical, it doesn't exist and never will.
But the thing is, It can exist if the writers want it to. That is the beauty and charm of this IP. Just because TES 1-5 never mentioned them doesn't mean it can't happen. Much of the stuff in this particular game is derived from loose histories but was fleshed out by things the writers had to invent.
You may not like it, and that's fine, but at this point is was OK'd as canon.
Except it isnt because it isnt logical. Lore is logical, it was OK'd by Zo$. Doesnt make it canon. If it were not a CS item, your reasoning could fit
So because it is obtained through the store it is somehow different?
It makes a big differenve because of incentive to make money, yes. Sell something 'cool' that people will buy or something lore friendly that people might not buy
See, now we're starting to get somewhere, a little insight to how your brain is working. So is everything on the store that is not obtainable in the game by other means lore breaking also? Or is it just this because you don't like it?
Plenty of people are openly hating this thing and wont buy it. If it were a free polymorph that you could get via a quest line I am guessing these same people would not like the way it looks there either.
seems to be an a current topic now, so:
i think what he means is:
bethesda game studios had a vision for the lore, and albeit they changed a lot of stuff over the years, it was at least semi-okayish.
ZOS on the other hand is cutting corners wherever possible to sell stuff without any consideration to the real elder scrolls lore. just take a look at the interview of their "loremaster", saying everything is possible (as long as it sells, they mean).
the existence of this polymorph has nothing to do with lore, it was invented to make money.
personally, i do like it, and i bought it. i don't think the elder scrolls lore is really good anyways, so it doesnt bother me. but i could see how someone who does like the lore, doesn't like the fact that ZOS is selling out everything it once stood for.
You realize that the Bethesda Game Studios and Zenimax Online both are subsidiaries of the same company yeah?
ZOS doesn't simply get to do whatever they want in regards to the lore, it still has to fit in with the precedent set by other official TES titles.
Also as far as anyone can tell the person who was running the shop and marketing for ESO is/was directly employed by Bethesda Softworks, so you might try putting the cutting corners blame on Bethesda Softworks, the publisher.
Bethesda Game Studios, Softworks, and Zeni Online are all subsidiaries of the same company: Zenimax Media.
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Dragath✭✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »The costume itself is ugly... How could anyone think its good...
Wouldn't the world be boring if everyone liked the exact same things?
A basic sense of fashion need be universal.
It's a werewolf not a beauty queen or a shopping mall diva.
This polymorph looks awesome.
The whole polymoprh is horrendus...not to mention extremely lorebreaking
@notimetocare "horrendus" is opinion.
How is it lore breaking?
Because it does not exist. Never has, and never logically can
But why?
Your argument has no basis behind it, especially considering the fact that the lore masters that work for Bethesda and ZOS can basically make whatever they want official lore pretty easily if it doesn't break something that is already canon.
This does break canon based on the fact Hircine it the father of manbeasts not slightly beastly men. There is no logic to a creature that isnt primarily beast form
If we're just going to go off of personal interpretation, this polymorph looks plenty man-beastly to me.
It's been stated a few times in various interviews and ESO Live shows that the lore is taken very seriously. They have someone who works full time at ZOS whose entire job is to know the lore, and he will stop something if it doesn't work within the canon. If there is no supporting fact within the canon, and nothing opposing it, he's been able to create it. I even remember once where it was mentioned they had to go back to people at the sister studio who made older TES games and ask about certain things.
You keep saying it's not logical but you wont say why. How is this absolutely not possible in the universe of Elder Scrolls? We have all manner of magical man, mer, beast, divine beings, so on, so forth. The ability to travel between mortal and godly/other wordly planes of existence. NPC characters can cast teleportation spells. A cat can disguise himself as an AD queen, etc., etc., blah blah, but there is no room for someone to be caught in what looks like a semi-transformed state between original species and werebeast?
Nope, there isnt room for it. And i trust ZoS to take lore seriously as much as i trust them to balance the game.
LOL ok. Great basis for your claims.
Better than your 'i think its cool'
Already stated before why it doesn't fit into lore, being a broken record for slow learners is tedious
You say it's not logical, it doesn't exist and never will.
But the thing is, It can exist if the writers want it to. That is the beauty and charm of this IP. Just because TES 1-5 never mentioned them doesn't mean it can't happen. Much of the stuff in this particular game is derived from loose histories but was fleshed out by things the writers had to invent.
You may not like it, and that's fine, but at this point is was OK'd as canon.
Except it isnt because it isnt logical. Lore is logical, it was OK'd by Zo$. Doesnt make it canon. If it were not a CS item, your reasoning could fit
So because it is obtained through the store it is somehow different?
It makes a big differenve because of incentive to make money, yes. Sell something 'cool' that people will buy or something lore friendly that people might not buy
See, now we're starting to get somewhere, a little insight to how your brain is working. So is everything on the store that is not obtainable in the game by other means lore breaking also? Or is it just this because you don't like it?
Plenty of people are openly hating this thing and wont buy it. If it were a free polymorph that you could get via a quest line I am guessing these same people would not like the way it looks there either.
seems to be an a current topic now, so:
i think what he means is:
bethesda game studios had a vision for the lore, and albeit they changed a lot of stuff over the years, it was at least semi-okayish.
ZOS on the other hand is cutting corners wherever possible to sell stuff without any consideration to the real elder scrolls lore. just take a look at the interview of their "loremaster", saying everything is possible (as long as it sells, they mean).
the existence of this polymorph has nothing to do with lore, it was invented to make money.
personally, i do like it, and i bought it. i don't think the elder scrolls lore is really good anyways, so it doesnt bother me. but i could see how someone who does like the lore, doesn't like the fact that ZOS is selling out everything it once stood for.
You realize that the Bethesda Game Studios and Zenimax Online both are subsidiaries of the same company yeah?
ZOS doesn't simply get to do whatever they want in regards to the lore, it still has to fit in with the precedent set by other official TES titles.
Also as far as anyone can tell the person who was running the shop and marketing for ESO is/was directly employed by Bethesda Softworks, so you might try putting the cutting corners blame on Bethesda Softworks, the publisher.
Bethesda Game Studios, Softworks, and Zeni Online are all subsidiaries of the same company: Zenimax Media.
i know exactly that they are under the same company, thats why i specifically used the right terms.
ZOS does get to do whatever they want, bethesda has no say in it. its all in the hands of zenimax media, as you said yourself, and zenimax wants to make money. as long as it sells, its fine.
there is already a lot of stuff in the game that goes against established lore, but sells quite good.
watch the interview i mentioned, read the discussions about these topics on forums that do care about the lore or maybe even watch some youtube videos different "lore experts" made, if you want to get a hold of the truth.
alternatively you can choose to believe they do care, if that makes you happy.
personally, i dont care what they do with the lore. i just wanted to clarify what the other guy wanted to say with his comments and what the reason for releases like this is.Edited by Dragath on October 3, 2017 12:12AM0 -
Onu✭✭
This, it can't be too hard to do. I don't care too much for the noble outfit, but I'd love to have a skin or something so my Bosmer can look all snarly, too. Yes, Bosmer, this also needs to be available for more races. It's a little ridiculous yet another year has rolled around and they didn't add more to it and "fix" it so everyone can enjoy.SolarCat02 wrote: »It would be awesome if it were split - skin + costume. Wear them both, wear just one, your choice!Edited by Onu on October 3, 2017 12:14AMEshtarra | Bosmer Templar (AD) | PC NA0
