Buoyant Arminger motifs in the crown crates?

victoriana-blue · September 2017

I'm seething. I'm usually fine with putting rare and/or gold-expensive motifs in the crown store, like Akaviri earlier this year - it's obtainable in-game but having it available in the crown store, even temporarily, was a convenience for people who would rather spend their game time with other things. Mid-tier motifs like Dark Brotherhood going in crown crates is also fine, it was already available in the store and it can be farmed. And ZOS makes money! Everyone wins!

Putting Buoyant Arminger in a gamble crate while the motif is effectively unobtainable for most of the player base and the rng is broken, on the other hand? Disgusting. The sell price of 350 k+/motif is out of reach for the vast majority of PC-NA players, going by the 90th percentile figures Rich posted a few weeks ago. Meanwhile many of us who enjoy farming and have all the applicable achievements (and are willing to put our game time into it) have found zero BA pages, while some lucky farmers are averaging 1-3 pages per eight hours of chest farming.

There's a difference between convenience purchases and gambling, and putting a motif with horrible rng into crates which also have horrible rng is adding insult to injury.

(Edited for spelling)

FakeFox · September 2017

The funniest thing is the price. 200 gems while some worthless motifs like Mazzatun cost 5k crowns. Just lol.

PocketAces13xb · September 2017

Its an absolute bushleague move by ZOS

BrianDavion · September 2017

BA?

Hippie4927 · September 2017

BrianDavion wrote: »

BA?

@BrianDavion BA=buoyant armiger motif

BrianDavion · September 2017

Ahh right.

victoriana-blue · September 2017

BrianDavion wrote: »

BA?

I perpetually misspell the name of the motif, and I really don't trust myself to spell it correctly when I'm angry. XD I've edited the OP, hopefully I won't confuse anyone else now.

grannas211 · September 2017

Wait how does everyone know what is in the next crate for sure? Is there some Up to date datamine? I'm out of the loop

AlMcFly · September 2017

grannas211 wrote: »

Wait how does everyone know what is in the next crate for sure? Is there some Up to date datamine? I'm out of the loop

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/372346/official-discussion-thread-for-discover-the-reaper-s-harvest-earn-free-crown-crates-this-weekend/p1

Marabornwingrion · September 2017

Of course they made Buoyant Armiger drop rate ridiculously low in purpose.

They knew that people will spend days, weeks, months on farming these pages without a luck, and buying it for crowns is much faster and easier way to get all pages. Sad, but ZOS in the future will make more moves like this with many other items.

CaffeinatedMayhem · September 2017

I am seething as well. It was bad enough that some furniture items aren't avaialble in-game at all (most of the good conservatory items) but I got used to the idea that if I want a nice garden I'll have to wait until my sub renews or save up.

Then I spent $80 on crowns, and there was a sale the next week... when I had no money for it.

And now this?!?!?!?!?! Sure, the motif is "technically" in game, but given the drop rate and the cost at guild vendors, it will take YEARS to complete unelss you're super rich or really really like grinding.

Oh hey, but you can pay, TO GAMBLE FOR IT.

Oh *** no. This definielty means I'm not buying the next chapter, and debating if my sub is even worth it now.

DeadlyRecluse · September 2017

This is how I plan on obtaining Armiger motif. Heap shame upon me.

mermaidsushiroll · September 2017

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

This is how I plan on obtaining Armiger motif. Heap shame upon me.

same here. I'm actually really happy about it, but at the same time i empathize with the people who worked hard to farm. To be honest though, this coming to the crown shop was a glaring inevitability.

CaffeinatedMayhem · September 2017

mermaidsushiroll wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

This is how I plan on obtaining Armiger motif. Heap shame upon me.

same here. I'm actually really happy about it, but at the same time i empathize with the people who worked hard to farm. To be honest though, this coming to the crown shop was a glaring inevitability.

Sure, like a year after launch like the other motifs. But only months afterwards, and not even in a blank sale, a gamble! Given the drop rate for Dwarven crates, you'll end up paying 10-20k crowns (or more) for BA motif.

I only have 5 pages left. I am NOT paying that much for the "chance" to finish it.

mermaidsushiroll · September 2017

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Sure, like a year after launch like the other motifs. But only months afterwards, and not even in a blank sale, a gamble! Given the drop rate for Dwarven crates, you'll end up paying 10-20k crowns (or more) for BA motif.

I only have 5 pages left. I am NOT paying that much for the "chance" to finish it.[/quote]

Oh i highly doubt that I will lucky enough to get it, but i appreciate the chance to. I got the draugr and minotaur motifs from the dwarven crates so maybe I'll get another one from these season. I don't have as much time to play this game as i would like to, and, as someone who can never amass more than 60,000 gold at any given time, at least i have a chance to get this motif without having to resort to buying gold from Chinese gold farmers. It may even be possible to outright purchase the motif with crown gems. we will see.

DeadlyRecluse · September 2017

thatlaurachick wrote: »

mermaidsushiroll wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

This is how I plan on obtaining Armiger motif. Heap shame upon me.

same here. I'm actually really happy about it, but at the same time i empathize with the people who worked hard to farm. To be honest though, this coming to the crown shop was a glaring inevitability.

Sure, like a year after launch like the other motifs. But only months afterwards, and not even in a blank sale, a gamble! Given the drop rate for Dwarven crates, you'll end up paying 10-20k crowns (or more) for BA motif.

I only have 5 pages left. I am NOT paying that much for the "chance" to finish it.

Yeah, this seems extraordinarily quick, both in terms of calendar days since release and economic stability of the motif price. Most of the others drop in the crown store months afterwards and after they have dropped to 10k a page or so.

I certainly wouldn't gamble on it either if I had 5 pages left--I'm at 0 pages collected, I like the mounts this cycle, and I have sub crowns gathering dust, so I'll roll the dice with those.

victoriana-blue · September 2017

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

This is how I plan on obtaining Armiger motif. Heap shame upon me.

My anger is reserved for the people who made it easier to get this motif by gambling than by spending a reasonable amount of time farming.

AlMcFly · September 2017

I don't mind. Reading how bad the drop rate was, I didn't even bother trying to farm it. Now I can just buy it with gems and avoid that stupid farming timesink.

grannas211 · September 2017

I'll be getting them out of the crates. Gonna be unpopular but I prefer this over it straight up being 5-6,000 crowns outright. Beceause this way I'll get a bunch of other stuff on the way to 200 gems (which I already 100 plus saved up).

DiteHart · September 2017

mermaidsushiroll wrote: »

same here. I'm actually really happy about it, but at the same time i empathize with the people who worked hard to farm.

I feel the same way. The crates have never been overly tempting for me. We have the opportunity to get some free crates, and I've already planned to either buy a 4-pack or 15-pack of crates. Since (from what I've read) pre-purchased crates don't change with the seasons, I'm just going to open them all. If I still have stuff that I really want, I'll wait until the next crate is announced, take a second look, and buy one more 4-pack or 15-pack (depending on how many items I still want and how many extra crowns I have).
So, in this case, I would love to get the Buoyant Armiger motif, but if it doesn't come up, I won't buy a bunch more for it. (If I got everything I wanted from the crates except this, I'm not sure I'd even bother getting the 4-pack, especially if the next crate has interesting items.)

But, at the same time, I know that it's not that easy for some others. Especially since I don't really care much for mounts. With the Apex rewards almost always being a bunch of mounts, I feel really bad for mount collectors, since you have to be rich, super lucky, or give up on having a full collection. I actually actively feel a bit bad if I do get "lucky" enough to get a crate mount (or even popular stuff, like that Toxin Doctor costume), because I know someone else is probably spending tons of crowns trying to get it.

victoriana-blue · September 2017

thatlaurachick wrote: »

mermaidsushiroll wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

This is how I plan on obtaining Armiger motif. Heap shame upon me.

same here. I'm actually really happy about it, but at the same time i empathize with the people who worked hard to farm. To be honest though, this coming to the crown shop was a glaring inevitability.

Sure, like a year after launch like the other motifs. But only months afterwards, and not even in a blank sale, a gamble! Given the drop rate for Dwarven crates, you'll end up paying 10-20k crowns (or more) for BA motif.

I only have 5 pages left. I am NOT paying that much for the "chance" to finish it.

Yeah, I expected it to come to the crown store.. but not in a crate, not so quickly. I bought Grim Harlequin, I'm fine with crown-only motifs, but this feels like a marketing slight-of-hand at the expense of players: get people trying to farm something "technically" available in-game, give us an opportunity to want it, then offer the chance at it in the crates. At least Grim Harlequin and Frostcaster don't count toward my motif completion for writs' sake, y'know?

Congrats on the nine pages, btw!

(ZOS, if the miniscule drop rates on this and the Morrowind plans are because of a technical issue and you're working on fixing it, I'll happily eat crow.)