DK petrify changes VS stone fist

scipionumatia · September 2017

ok, so if I understand correctly this skill will now stun for 2.5 seconds (which can be broken free of) and with fossilize morph it still roots them after initial cc break. essentially the "take X damage to end disorient" became "take a 2.5s stun that can be CC broke". if that's how its going to work ok awesome, great.

my question comes with regards to the explanation they gave
"We wanted to further differentiate Petrify from Stonefist because now, they both stun enemies. The cost reduction and lack of damage make Petrify more utility-focused, while Stonefist deals more damage but requires more Magicka."

As a stam dk, there really isn't much of a choice to make, stone fist isn't based off weapon damage. it can be reflected, and dodged. For Mage dk yes, they can choose to go for a damage oriented stun or the utility.

Could this hint at stam dk getting a stam stone fist (or still costs magicka but scales off weapon damage) in upcoming pts?

Farscape76 · September 2017

We can hope for a stam morph. I would love to see more stam morph options in general but experience tells me it is unlikely. Patch notes usually have DKs healing from the nerf hammer so what's the old expression? Hope in one hand and s**t in the other and see which fills up first

Defilted · September 2017

If the Warden is any indication of how morphs will work in the future I would say there is a good chance you see stam/mag morphs of skills. Warden as several choices that are stam or mag skills.

scipionumatia · September 2017

@Farscape76
If we did get a stam stone fist what kind of additional effects would you hope for? minor defile or fracture would be cool, minor beserk would be even cooler to add into the theme of "take chance to stun for more damage"

Farscape76 · September 2017

Honestly I would settle for the damage scaling off the stats I have maxed, but in terms of additional effects I would say either minor berserk or maybe even keep with the rest of the DK theme and make the magic morph do some type of flame/burning damage and the stam morph do poison.

Brrrofski · September 2017

Magica petrify with these planned changes is much much better than a Stam stonefist. The damage is meh, can be blocked, dodged, even reflected I think.

Fossilize now mean you could get a guaranteed dizzying and leap on someone if they don't cc break. Plus you get the root. The cost decrease will help massively.

I think this is already a big buff for Stam do in PvP.

Vesper_BR · September 2017

Why not make stonefist a meele atack with Stam and mag morphs? The mag morphs became a "normal" gap closer like toppling charge, and the stam Morph gives a healing over time or maybe minor heroism.

Vesper_BR · September 2017

Would cool if the stam Morph worked like a drain shot. Putting enemies away, and the mag morphs a gap closer.

scipionumatia · September 2017

@Brrrofski
I agree with what your saying and I would very likely stay with fossilize, My point of the post is that in the explanation given for the change is to dirrentiate petrify from stone fist and make the players choose between utility and damage. They listed stonefist specifically, and as a stam dk there's no reason to take the "damage" option because on a stam dk it hits like a pool noodle.

I dunno guys I think we're gonna see a stam stone fist soon.

@Farscape76 I'm really hoping we get some additional effects aside from "scales with weapon damage and stam" even a slows enemy movement by X% would be useful. I mean if you get smacked in the head with a rock I'd expect your not gonna have a spring in your step lol

@Vesper_BR ohhh I like that idea! Knock back and stun would give the dk some good utility at range. Something we don't really have right now. Playing my stamplar in cyrodiil spearing people off keeps is honestly my 100% favorite thing to do

Farscape76 · September 2017

@scipionumatia can't argue with your logic ...getting hit in the head with a rock would tend to ruin your day.

I just hope they continue to look at the DK (without the nerf hammer in their hands that is) like they have in the pts patch notes so far.

scipionumatia · September 2017

same, lets make magma armor and morphs cost 100 while were at it

its the ultimate we deserve

RoamingRiverElk · September 2017

Stonefist is hardly worth slotting for a magicka dk either since it doesn't go through block, is dodgeable and is reflectable. It has a longer range but fossilize will just be so much more useful and reliable now with its utility. Stonefist is theoretically nice for having a ranged skill without having to slot a destro staff, but in the end DKs just don't have enough ranged skills to be effective at range, unlike sorcerer.

In other words, Stonefist needs to be buffed somehow. I would give it some type of an additional effect... Something that truly is useful, not just this 103,2 more spell resistance stuff.

scipionumatia · September 2017

@RoamingRiverElk
Completely agree, that's why I was saying we need something tempting to slot it, some ideas we were throwing around that would compliment this skill as the "damage option" would be berserk, I said minor previously but maybe major berserk? That would be tempting. Or empower