Integral1900 wrote: »

Turns out the drop chance of these blasted transmute gems in normal ain't even close to 50 percent, more like ten

So to fix 1 item it's 40 vet dungeons, or about ten months for me lmao

Or a decade in normal

Time to switch to all crafted gear me thinks, this system is a bust

There are plenty of veteran dungeons that are fairly easy to complete, like City of Ash 1. If you're having an issue with completing those, trait changing wouldn't have benefitted you a whole lot to begin with.

Integral1900 wrote: »

Turns out the drop chance of these blasted transmute gems in normal ain't even close to 50 percent, more like ten

So to fix 1 item it's 40 vet dungeons, or about ten months for me lmao

Or a decade in normal

Time to switch to all crafted gear me thinks, this system is a bust

@Integral1900 To be really honest if the content that you're playing is Normal mode then it really doesn't matter what traits your gear is in, and the system isn't designed to address any issues with normal mode content.

The transmutation system is there to address the more difficult content & end-game side of the spectrum where having specific high end items in perfect traits does make a big difference to leaderboard scores and ability to handle the hardest content in the game.....

When people have done hundreds of vMA runs to get even a half decent trait then there's something wrong, and thats what transmutation will do well... it gives those players a finish line so they won't be grinding hundreds of runs just to get a weapon they need... they'll be doing at most 40.

Worth just keeping in mind what its there to do before saying the system is a bust... its actually going to accomplish exactly what its been designed to.... but there really isn't an issue at normal level content that needs adressing with traits.

Integral1900 wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

Turns out the drop chance of these blasted transmute gems in normal ain't even close to 50 percent, more like ten

So to fix 1 item it's 40 vet dungeons, or about ten months for me lmao

Or a decade in normal

Time to switch to all crafted gear me thinks, this system is a bust

@Integral1900 To be really honest if the content that you're playing is Normal mode then it really doesn't matter what traits your gear is in, and the system isn't designed to address any issues with normal mode content.

The transmutation system is there to address the more difficult content & end-game side of the spectrum where having specific high end items in perfect traits does make a big difference to leaderboard scores and ability to handle the hardest content in the game.....

When people have done hundreds of vMA runs to get even a half decent trait then there's something wrong, and thats what transmutation will do well... it gives those players a finish line so they won't be grinding hundreds of runs just to get a weapon they need... they'll be doing at most 40.

Worth just keeping in mind what its there to do before saying the system is a bust... its actually going to accomplish exactly what its been designed to.... but there really isn't an issue at normal level content that needs adressing with traits.

So people like me shouldn't want to polish our charecters..... what a narrow way to look at it

@Integral1900 Not at all... I agree with you that everybody will want their charachters to be the best they can be, whatever content they are running.

All I'm saying is that the 'need' is different... at normal level there is no actual requirement to have perfect traits, to compete for leaderboard scores at endgame there is.

All systems should be judged on what their aims are... I wouldn't personally judge the trait change system on normal mode content as it's not been designed for that... its designed to solve a big pain point for the end-game/Vet players, which is what it will do.

The fact that they have added some of the stones to normal content is a great bonus, but that was never what the system is designed for as there is no problem with completion of normal content that requires a fix.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

More importantly, please actually log into the PTS to try the changes, then give your feedback. While we certainly appreciate everyone's feedback based on the PTS patch notes, it helps to try things contextually and in the proper environment.

Personally I think the PTS forum should be behind a gate that requires a code to login, you only get the code after logging on to the actual PTS. Too often these forums get bombarded by apocalyptic views of people that have never ever been on the PTS and simply want to preserve whatever broken combinations they're currently using.

SirDopey wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

More importantly, please actually log into the PTS to try the changes, then give your feedback. While we certainly appreciate everyone's feedback based on the PTS patch notes, it helps to try things contextually and in the proper environment.

Personally I think the PTS forum should be behind a gate that requires a code to login, you only get the code after logging on to the actual PTS. Too often these forums get bombarded by apocalyptic views of people that have never ever been on the PTS and simply want to preserve whatever broken combinations they're currently using.

Eh, that didn't go over well with Morrowind

Us console users don't have any PTS access, so can only base our comments on the patch notes.

Transmutation will mean nothing to me as I don't run a lot of vet content - so I still get no real benefit for the time and effort put into trait research and motif hunting. It would be nice to see some additional ongoing benefits for high level crafters. Maybe reductions in crystals needed or increased chance/number of them dropping based on traits researched or motifs learnt (or other achievement).

I can certainly see the easiest vet dungeons being farmed like mad for crystals and I pity the poor lowly puggers trying to figure out mechanics while others in their group are racing through them as quick as they can.

Mojmir wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

More importantly, please actually log into the PTS to try the changes, then give your feedback. While we certainly appreciate everyone's feedback based on the PTS patch notes, it helps to try things contextually and in the proper environment.

Personally I think the PTS forum should be behind a gate that requires a code to login, you only get the code after logging on to the actual PTS. Too often these forums get bombarded by apocalyptic views of people that have never ever been on the PTS and simply want to preserve whatever broken combinations they're currently using.

So log in, wayshrine into cwc through a guuldmate, look at the city, log out, talk smack, profit?

Most trolls aren’t that dedicated.

disintegr8 wrote: »

Us console users don't have any PTS access, so can only base our comments on the patch notes.

Transmutation will mean nothing to me as I don't run a lot of vet content - so I still get no real benefit for the time and effort put into trait research and motif hunting. It would be nice to see some additional ongoing benefits for high level crafters. Maybe reductions in crystals needed or increased chance/number of them dropping based on traits researched or motifs learnt (or other achievement).

I can certainly see the easiest vet dungeons being farmed like mad for crystals and I pity the poor lowly puggers trying to figure out mechanics while others in their group are racing through them as quick as they can.

That's one benefit of owning the game on both platforms. I only play live on Xbox, but I get on PC for the PTS.

Brrrofski wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

More importantly, please actually log into the PTS to try the changes, then give your feedback. While we certainly appreciate everyone's feedback based on the PTS patch notes, it helps to try things contextually and in the proper environment.

Some stuff requires no testing to be fair. Anyone who plays the game enough can see something broken instantly. Like that staff for PvP is too strong. Those buffs are ether the effect of a skill (a big reason to use the skill) or from two different 5 pieces. So putting it in one weapon and skill is obvious that it'll be too strong. One guy in a group keeps that on me and I'm screwed.

What's there to test about the alliance war? What will logging into a pts tell me about that? There were no changes, so what can I test?

The vma weapon/spell damage removal is a nerf to them in pvp which makes them useless. No further testing required. It's there in black and white.
I do like how you rehashed the old "this will be a buff if" with the "you can now safely enchant". Made me chuckle

There are counters to the Asylum Destro staff that EVERYONE can use. Damage Shields prevent status effects, hence use ->

Bone Shield / Igneous Shield / Harness Magicka / Brawler. As long as you have any shield up, the staff is completely useless, but with still consume the cooldown of 4 seconds. I agree that the cooldown might need to be a little higher, but that's about it.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Right, but what you (the general you) might be missing is how that staff performs against another player that's wearing a re-balanced item set, for example. That's why we ask you to try it in context instead of just looking at a single number or single patch note.

While it's generally correct that you need to test stuff before arriving to conclusions, this rule can't be blindly applied to everything for the sake of it.

Asylum staff is a good example of 'immediately obvious problem' unless it doesn't work in a way consistent with the patch notes.

For instance if, for some reason, the application of all 3 debuffs from the staff can be prevented by blocking, this would noticeably change its effectiveness. But interactions like this should've been mentioned in the patch notes themselves. I doubt you expect the players on PTS to try every possible combinations of interactions of the particular item with anything else.

And, generally, i think it would be reasonable for CMs to stop by for a half an hour and cover the hottest topics on PTS forums.

A simple 'We understand your concerns and will get back to you with proper reply before PTS ends' would be immensely better than most of CMs interactions with players on the forum that we have right now.

For instance could we get any kind of response regarding:

1. Concerns with wardens pve dps.
2. Pvp related concerns with the state of mag sorcs, medium armor balance, prevalence of tanky specs and zergy state Cyrodiil.
3. Concerns regarding CP only 50lvl + bgs.
4. Concerns with Asylum staff in pvp:)

^ these are some (not all) problematic topics that i happen to know about.

Dev team's silence regarding issues raised on the PTS forums, coupled with the same silence in the response to possible unintended behavior reports can only lead to fewer reports and, thus, worse state of the final product.

For instance, i discovered a possibly unintended behavior with the glyphs on weapon-swap on PTS. But i didn't report it, because i have no way to know if it's intended or not. And judging from my previous experience i expect no reaction to my reports from the dev/cm teams. At this point it feels like a lottery. 'They might do something, they might not do anything'. But the only thing is certain - they will not acknowledge that they even noticed the reports.

We do our best to help you test your content with you. But it becomes quite an off-putting task if you don't test it with us.

Thank you for you time!