sha-ext wrote: »

The thing is: CP does not offer more variety. I have laid out some reasons here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4506264#Comment_4506264
and i have not read any counter arguments yet.
I would love to understand the reasoning of the devs to do this.

I think the reason is simple... they've seen that FEW people are playing, they've probably also seen that few people with high CP are playing... so they are making the change to see if they can attract more people to BG or if it declines further. If it declines further, then they will probably implement 'optional' CP BG's like with PvP Campaigns.

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

We are playing in Battlegrounds because CP is stupid, skill less and for scared noobs
Sheild Stacking Sorcs and No Death Builds, that is all it is anymore. Drop a big Ultimate, sheild stack, run away.. it is crap.

and I have 755 CP, but I really don't want to play where the average is a 20 minute fights and no one dies... where people just walk around trolling each other with their no death builds.. where stam builds all suck ... and sheild stacking sorcs are 90% of the population.

DO THE DEVELOPERS EVEN PLAY THE GAME?
I really don't think so, because it was way better the first year, back when people actually were afraid of dying.

Do YOU even play the game?

Since when no CP is more skilled and crowded of vets and elite players?

Where do you play?

When did that happen?

Before you typed all that *** did you thought about it or it just came out of your mind and you decided to convince us?

What 20 minutes fights?

MagSorcs are the 90% of the population? Where?

Stam Builds suck lol? Then if you see mine you will have an ***?

First of all everything you said is right, but in the other sense, as someone who have been playing since release and have 5k hours only in Solo PvP no CP is far from a skilled place crowded with elite, in fact there's not a SINGLE good player playing in no CP, you think you are come show me, if you're dumb enough to compare a no CP player carried by procs and zerg play with a solo full exploiting mechanics CP players you are in a no return point.

Hello dodge roll + cancel and only 60% Stamina left

Skilled

We all know the only people with high cp who play in no CP are there to stomp noobs who have no knowledge in PvP because all the 1vXrs, Guilds and Superstars play in the big boys court, CP campaigns.

Oh and they released CP Battlegrounds because there were less than 100 players playing them out of maybe 10k active PvP players, in some platforms/servers the Leaderboard don't even reach the #100.

Kay1 wrote: »

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

We are playing in Battlegrounds because CP is stupid, skill less and for scared noobs
Sheild Stacking Sorcs and No Death Builds, that is all it is anymore. Drop a big Ultimate, sheild stack, run away.. it is crap.

and I have 755 CP, but I really don't want to play where the average is a 20 minute fights and no one dies... where people just walk around trolling each other with their no death builds.. where stam builds all suck ... and sheild stacking sorcs are 90% of the population.

DO THE DEVELOPERS EVEN PLAY THE GAME?
I really don't think so, because it was way better the first year, back when people actually were afraid of dying.

Do YOU even play the game?

Since when no CP is more skilled and crowded of vets and elite players?

Where do you play?

When did that happen?

Before you typed all that *** did you thought about it or it just came out of your mind and you decided to convince us?

What 20 minutes fights?

MagSorcs are the 90% of the population? Where?

Stam Builds suck lol? Then if you see mine you will have an ***?

First of all everything you said is right, but in the other sense, as someone who have been playing since release and have 5k hours only in Solo PvP no CP is far from a skilled place crowded with elite, in fact there's not a SINGLE good player playing in no CP, you think you are come show me, if you're dumb enough to compare a no CP player carried by procs and zerg play with a solo full exploiting mechanics CP players you are in a no return point.

Hello dodge roll + cancel and only 60% Stamina left

Skilled

We all know the only people with high cp who play in no CP are there to stomp noobs who have no knowledge in PvP because all the 1vXrs, Guilds and Superstars play in the big boys court, CP campaigns.

Oh and they released CP Battlegrounds because there were less than 100 players playing them out of maybe 10k active PvP players, in some platforms/servers the Leaderboard don't even reach the #100.

Source for these numbers you're throwing around? I know many great players who only play BGs because cyrodill is the same, dull, mindless gameplay that's it's been for the last 2 years. They just added more CP and it's gotten infinitely more cheesy. Not saying I can't go in there and 1vX because I occasionally do, but it isn't as fun as non CP BGs where skill takes over.

You seem to ask a lot of questions, what platform are you playing on? I've came across many great 1vX players that frequent battlegrounds because it is more competitive and challenging.

Heh...funny thread here. First, no takes more skill to pull just about anything other than zerging off properly, massive group play is rewarded more due to how defensively weak all players are compared to their CP enabled identical builds. Now due to no cp requiring MORE skill, this means that no cp becomes a crutch for skilled players. Your opponents are easier to kill, stay defensive for longer durations so deal less damage to you, the more skilled player.

In CP enabled campaigns, players need less skill to stay alive. Thats the beauty of CP, if you have a crap ton of CP (300) but very low PvP skill, you will have a esier time against more skilled players...

Due to these facts, many competitive players do not enjoy NO CP campaigns or fighting because it feels like the college football team going against the junior league middle school team. Doesnt mean no CP cant be competitive, just that skilled players would rather bringbthe fight to even fields.

Having said that, zenimax has vastly improved the CP system, meaning it makes more sense to have CP battlegrounds now. Theres is also the fact that many more players enjoy CP than no CP, and having to change your build for battlegrounds, and that the more skilled players are completely dominating battlegrounds, mean more players would rather not partake...and battlegrounds are slowly going to die.

To fix this, you must enable CP...do you split the base by implementing two types of play? No...you dont...you force everyone who wants to in the most enjoyed style of BG play. Not the other way around.

Not to mention the very fact that they have NO CP canpaigns was an admiting from zeni that CP was broken...implementing NOCP campaign allowed them more time to fix the system, while theyve done amazing changes to the system, you need to force everyone into it, in order not to have an excuse not to fix it. The more players playing in CP the more pressure to fix the system.

@Baconlad no CP or CP has nothing to do with skill. Please prov that. I play both just a bit diffrent builds will work but it's not harder to play in no CP at all unless i come up against low CP players in CP campainge ofc.

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Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

We are playing in Battlegrounds because CP is stupid, skill less and for scared noobs
Sheild Stacking Sorcs and No Death Builds, that is all it is anymore. Drop a big Ultimate, sheild stack, run away.. it is crap.

and I have 755 CP, but I really don't want to play where the average is a 20 minute fights and no one dies... where people just walk around trolling each other with their no death builds.. where stam builds all suck ... and sheild stacking sorcs are 90% of the population.

DO THE DEVELOPERS EVEN PLAY THE GAME?
I really don't think so, because it was way better the first year, back when people actually were afraid of dying.

You can go very offensive or defensive with CP. But you dont have this oneshotbullshit anymore like in no CP, where guys kill you just because they use 3 proccsets... Thats no skill, thats ***...