Can we take PVP'ers seriously anymore?

DRXHarbinger · September 2017

I mean this in the context of supposed "nerf" to VMA weapons.

Such epic lines such as, EVERY PVP'er ran these weapons to use poison and stack them with the damage glyph bla bla.

The only reason I ran VMA was to get these weapons.

This nerf breaks every PVP build.

As a Grand Overlord who has run too much PVP to care about such a minute change, has anyone else noticed something odd with all this QQ?

Hardly ever do I see VMA staves and 2H being used in Cyro, they are distinctive enough to notice when someone is using them, heck I even got trolled when someone saw me using the Inferno a few times.

How many forum posts have there ever been saying this was a PVP meta?

Did that many pvp fan boys actually buy Orsinium or actually sub? I seem to recall seeing nothing but hate from them on this DLC and it offered them nothing.

How did all the PVP fan boys land their prized sharpened weapons so quickly (pvp is sharp or gtfo for a long long time) when so many PVE Grinders still almost 2 years down the line still don't have them.

I also find it funny here that given how many nerfs we've all had due to them crying this is some kind of comeuppance for them. Every single fun thing we had was nerfed into the ground whilst they freely took advantage of all "our PVE stuff" They feel entitled to whine over this being so "game breaking" Classes have been buffed and destroyed beyond belief due to the PVP crowd QQ'ing non stop...but they cannot see past. 2 players fighting it out, both have VMA 2H weapons and staves, all apparently using poison and stacking damage glyphs > now both affected by the same "nerf" thus neither gaining the advantage...Actually changes nothing?

If as said everyone is playing like this...where are you being handicapped?

Where does the salt end from this crowd, this isn't a remotely serious thread, I honestly don't care about this change, just for once stop piping up about every tiny little change. Wait until battlespirit eventually gets removed, you'll need those powerful fingers then.

Let the hate flow.

FloppyTouch · September 2017

I agree I pvp and I don't see people use them often don't know why they are crying.

Class balance is important can we not forget about the same nerfs pvp gets bc of pve.

Turelus · September 2017

Stop making good posts I agree with.

I have been laughing all morning at the idea a PvP build is shattered by the loss of some spell damage on a weapon. I mean imagine if they just nerfed all sets that granted spell damage, would the same loss of spell damage from amours break their build just as much.

I think this is more about people running hard content like crazy for perfect drops which are now required.

grannas211 · September 2017

If one their favorite streamers gets upset, than in turn they get upset.

Brrrofski · September 2017

I use staff on mag sorc and 2h on Stam sorc currently.

5 piece set, 2 piece monster, 3 agility/willpower, vma. It's a pretty popular setup.

Also vma 2h is a popular choice for back bar heals if running sword and board or dw on front.

Sure, I'll adjust builds and roll with it. But for PvP it's a straight nerf, make no mistake about it.

You should read past patch notes. A lot of changes in this game are often more to do with Pve than PvP by the way. If something is broken in PvP (permablock or resource management for instance) chances are it was also broken in pve (hence why I could solo Valkyn skoria on vet on a saptank after reading the book). PvE players qq as well, it's not just pvp players. A lot of thieve's guild class balance was actually because of how classes performed in vma. Zos even said it at the time.

Feanor · September 2017

I see the 2H weapons quite often. The staves less so, but that has more to do with the sustain changes and 5/4/2 with backbarred Lich being a real good option now. I think the outrage has more to do with how hard the staves were to farm in a good trait and that they indeed are quite useless without the SD because WoE is a niche skill in PvP.

starkerealm · September 2017

Wait, we take PvPers seriously? Since when?

Rickter · September 2017

I've never run VMA weapons in pvp.

is it a gimp? yeah probably in the strictly competitive sense.

but i can go into pvp day in and day out and go up against known seasoned guilds and come out on top or provide serious competition. VMA weapons dont make or break a build.

I run: 5 hundings, 2 shacklebreaker, 3 agility, 1 velidreth

I never ran proc sets. I never ran VMA. and i can still get 5337 weapon dmg with my weapon dmg enchant procced and a 28k dragon leap tool tip in cyro.

Disclaimer: this is a stamina dragonknight perspective

so with that being said, relax, and think outside of the box

Arthg · September 2017

Nice and smug "I don't care so why do others care" post.

For stam DKs, yes, a vMA 2hander was pretty meta.
For a PvPer, grinding those weapons was a pretty tedious chore - even though I think I improved doing so.

So now that these weapons are just a one-ability boost, and you're pigeonholed into using that ability if you want to use your hard-earned vMA weapons (which boils down to actually ditching them, let's face it), I for one think it's legit to express some disappointment - and I'm no QQer.

I for one think that the gap between the effort to obtain those weapons and the actual bonus they give is, just, well, oceanic and unfair.

Feanor · September 2017

They wanna sell the DLC and Asylum weapons are a big part of it. Orsinium is old content. I think it was bound to happen at some point. I'm just glad I didn't farm the weapons extensively as others have.

Rickter · September 2017

Arthg wrote: »

Nice and smug "I don't care so why do others care" post.

For stam DKs, yes, a vMA 2hander was pretty meta.
For a PvPer, grinding those weapons was a pretty tedious chore - even though I think I improved doing so.

why does "meta" translate to "use or gtfo"?

I dont think you quite understand a meta.

meta is determined by players to typically min/max - its how we as players rationalize a standard not provided by the developers. having a baseline standard/reference point/recommendation should never EVER be taken so strictly.

As i said, i have never run VMA weapons. in pve or pvp. in pve it wasnt such an issue because i was a tank. in pvp, well, i just made an easy to obtain build out (mostly crafted) and made it work. can i beat seasoned duelists? most often than not, no, simply because im not built for that. I dont build for duels. I build for medium scale pvp and in my opinion that is less than 16 players. and in that setting, you can excel without vma weapons.

DRXHarbinger · September 2017

Arthg wrote: »

Nice and smug "I don't care so why do others care" post.

For stam DKs, yes, a vMA 2hander was pretty meta.
For a PvPer, grinding those weapons was a pretty tedious chore - even though I think I improved doing so.

So now that these weapons are just a one-ability boost, and you're pigeonholed into using that ability if you want to use your hard-earned vMA weapons (which boils down to actually ditching them, let's face it), I for one think it's legit to express some disappointment - and I'm no QQer.

I for one think that the gap between the effort to obtain those weapons and the actual bonus they give is, just, well, oceanic and unfair.

It was a "meta" as a stam DK before poisons came out...owing to lack of a gap gloser, the 2H enchant on this was the whole point, it was free damage and actually powerful. Nothing owing to stacking poisons and glyphs.

Brrrofski · September 2017

Rickter wrote: »

I've never run VMA weapons in pvp.

is it a gimp? yeah probably in the strictly competitive sense.

but i can go into pvp day in and day out and go up against known seasoned guilds and come out on top or provide serious competition. VMA weapons dont make or break a build.

I run: 5 hundings, 2 shacklebreaker, 3 agility, 1 velidreth

I never ran proc sets. I never ran VMA. and i can still get 5337 weapon dmg with my weapon dmg enchant procced and a 28k dragon leap tool tip in cyro.

Disclaimer: this is a stamina dragonknight perspective

so with that being said, relax, and think outside of the box

But you're running a poor version of 5 hundings, 3 agility, 2 monster and 1 vma. You literally would get much better stats with a vma weapon. Hundings and agility the same in both builds. Your 2 piece shackle and 1 piece veli give 129 weapon damage each. My 1 kena and 1 veli give 129 each. Plus on front bar I have an extra 189 from my vma weapon. I have a wd enchant on back bar, so can get that just like you. You are literally losing out on 189 weapon damage. Which everyone will next patch.

No, it doesn't make or break a build and you absolutely DO NOT need them to be competitive. The point is, they have just taken the option of using them in PvP away. They will be useless. Why would I run one? I'll use a new shiny asylum 2h (funnily enough is behind a new paywall.....) or 5,5,1 or monster, 1 set active front, 1 set active back. Every destro resto and 2h bow build will be one of them. Again, less diversity in choices.

Eirella · September 2017

I'm so glad that I don't care about grinding for gear. So much easier to just use crafted gear or gear you can buy from other players.

Vapirko · September 2017

If you don't see people running vma 2H in pvp much then you either don't know what you're looking for or you don't fight any players good enough to have acquired one. And no sharp isn't best anymore. It was for a long time. But currently nirnhoned performs much better. It boosts your heals and the little amount of pen sharp provides is easily made up for with cp. All I see in your post is an forum warrior pve player who probably spent a ton of time zerg surfing.

Go ahead and enlighten me though, what should I make of the hours spent farming vma or that I now have on less reason to play this game?

Brrrofski · September 2017

Just gonna repost this here. My thoughts exactly on them.

Brrrofski wrote: »

Like even though I use them, it's fine. I'll just change my build. It's an MMO. This happens. It's whatever. I'm not really concerned about it. Yeh, it goes less option and kills some build diversity and options, but it is what it is. I play PvP and Pve almost equally, so I'm not even mad about "wasting time". It was a challenge and although frustrating, I was glad when I did it. It reminded me of an old school super hard boss in single player games as kid. It was a frustrating but also fun challenge.

All I've done is try to illustrate and make people understand why it was a nerf. Because a lot of people think it isn't or it's even a buff. The master bow is, I'll give you that. And some vma probably are in Pve. But in PvP, vma weapons are 100% nerfed and useless next patch.

Brrrofski · September 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

If you don't see people running vma 2H in pvp much then you either don't know what you're looking for or you don't fight any players good enough to have acquired one. And no sharp isn't best anymore. It was for a long time. But currently nirnhoned performs much better. It boosts your heals and the little amount of pen sharp provides is easily made up for with cp. All I see in your post is an forum warrior pve player who probably spent a ton of time zerg surfing.

Go ahead and enlighten me though, what should I make of the hours spent farming vma or that I now have on less reason to play this game?

I even used a nirn 2h for like 3 patches as I didn't have sharpened. Was using it with spriggans anyway and nirn hit hard against shields.

DRXHarbinger · September 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

If you don't see people running vma 2H in pvp much then you either don't know what you're looking for or you don't fight any players good enough to have acquired one. And no sharp isn't best anymore. It was for a long time. But currently nirnhoned performs much better. It boosts your heals and the little amount of pen sharp provides is easily made up for with cp. All I see in your post is an forum warrior pve player who probably spent a ton of time zerg surfing.

A wild salty PVPer appeared.

It uses a troll.

Harbinger is unaffected.

Izaki · September 2017

I agree with everything, kinda.

Like the weapons don't even feel like they are BiS (and I'm talking about the whole lot). The vMA Daggers for example? They suck without the Weapon Damage bonus compared to a simple Hunding's, as tested on PTS. Just an example, but IMO, the ability modifiers really aren't everything with these weapons.

Rickter · September 2017

The Asylum weapons are easier to obtain now that there is a normal mode version and a veteran mode version.

i just hate they are called Asylum. . . makes me think of Batman. can we call them Clockwork weapons?

Betheny · September 2017

Did we ever take PVPers seriously?

Axoinus · September 2017

There is a big difference between PvPer's and Streamer fanboys.

There are people who think they are pro because they can regurgitate what a streamer says. They are not representative of the entire community.

I've spent about 5 hours in PvP, but we have to be cautious labeling all PvPer's based on the behavior and actions of an extremist vocal minority.

Bryong9ub17_ESO · September 2017

Hold up....The PVPers have been crying for years. Nerf this, nerf that. The PvPers have been messing with the PvE aspect of this game since it came out. ESO has been catering to the PVP players since lunch so don't give me that BS.

This game is not all about PvP. Get over it.

lol "Can we take PVP'ers seriously anymore?" what a joke...

mb10 · September 2017

To be fair, a lot of stamina users, use vMA weapons

I personally dont in PVP but the extra weapon or spell damage can be nice if you run to 5 pieces and vMA weapons

SASQUATCH0 · September 2017

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

Hold up....The PVPers have been crying for years. Nerf this, nerf that. The PvPers have been messing with the PvE aspect of this game since it came out. ESO has been catering to the PVP players since lunch so don't give me that BS.

This game is not all about PvP. Get over it.

lol "Can we take PVP'ers seriously anymore?" what a joke...

Was this directed towards OP? Cuz I think you missed the point of his post.

DeadlyRecluse · September 2017

Rickter wrote: »

The Asylum weapons are easier to obtain now that there is a normal mode version and a veteran mode version.

i just hate they are called Asylum. . . makes me think of Batman. can we call them Clockwork weapons?

I'm disappointed they don't start with "M," personally. I always thought of Master, Maelstrom, and hypothetical additional weapons as the"M-weapons."

Takes-No-Prisoner · September 2017

As someone who mainly PvPs and barely did any MA, I never really felt out classed fighting someone with a vMA weapon. This is coming from someone running golded crafted set weapons.

Brrrofski · September 2017

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

As someone who mainly PvPs and barely did any MA, I never really felt out classed fighting someone with a vMA weapon. This is coming from someone running golded crafted set weapons.

It's nothing to do with out classing. Yeh, gear and stuff matters, but PvP ultimately is about skill.

This is about build diversity. Vma weapons will be flat out pointless next patch. I'm never a fan of making any gear completely useless.

Takes-No-Prisoner · September 2017

Brrrofski wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

As someone who mainly PvPs and barely did any MA, I never really felt out classed fighting someone with a vMA weapon. This is coming from someone running golded crafted set weapons.

It's nothing to do with out classing. Yeh, gear and stuff matters, but PvP ultimately is about skill.

This is about build diversity. Vma weapons will be flat out pointless next patch. I'm never a fan of making any gear completely useless.

Yes it is @ the bolded text. You run vMA to get more powerful stuff, that is the point of doing it. You're contradicting yourself in your first sentence...

I'm not a fan of how that change came about, because I understand people get frustrated over the grind. But at the same time, where was my accessibility for getting such high tier weapons as someone who mainly PvPs? Answer me that sir.

TequilaFire · September 2017

PvE PvP haters gotta love them.
PvP the sky is falling guys, gotta love them too!
There would be no posts without them.

Takes-No-Prisoner · September 2017

TequilaFire wrote: »

PvE PvP haters gotta love them.
PvP the sky is falling guys, gotta love them too!
There would be no posts without them.

I guess you could say we PvPers all need a good shot of Tequila 2.0