Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Wait... this was something people didn't realise?

Whatever, it means I at least am working towards a perfect item with each bit of vet content I do.

spending endless time in dungeons is not my definition of playing a game to have fun.
it is boring and it is dissappointing that this is needed and BiS* is only till the next patch
then you start allover again

and to do some maths:
with 12-14 parts that can be morfed, it requires 480 - 560 crystals for every patch!
how will you ever loot this between 2 patches?

oh and not to think about the unwanted changes ZOS does to your gear, by "optimizing" your gaming experience, LOL

give up my job and only play eso for the rest of my life?
Not really, but
giving up eso and playing something more satifying? Yes, that may be a questionable solution!

*BiS= Best in slot

This isn't meant to be the only means of getting BiS though. If you need gear which is a dungeon drop then you can get that at the same time.

If you're doing dailies each day for keys/shoulders/content then you have 3x shots a day by doing vet dungeons.
If you're farming a set you get # of bosses & chests shots at the perfect trait item + a shot at the gem at the end.
If you're doing end game PvE you get shots every trial you run.

If you're a PvP player you get life even easier and just PvP for your shots at them (you literally get them for doing what you love in PvP).

Again this isn't a system which is designed to re-gear your entire character every update, it's designed to give people who have done 200+ runs of vMA the ability to turn one of those staves into the perfect trait they have been after.

See, as I mentioned before somehow Community Abassadors are the first to justify developers decisions over players opinions.

Just look, how many players you see who support the idea to make a good hundred of vet runs to get one item trait changed? It's only you, the Community Ambassador.

You don't reflect community opinion, same as other Community Ambassadors tend to do. You are simply payed talkback, they gave you special status so you feel obligated to them.

I see no problem with that bro, if you ask me they can even pay people to do this, but why it needs to be so ridiculous being named "Community Ambassador"? It's like someone made it as a joke

You are wrong.
I hope they require 100 and not 40.

And we already proved in the other thread you just want to exclude others from things you want to keep to yourself. You're elitist and want others to suffer.

Brrrofski wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Wait... this was something people didn't realise?

Whatever, it means I at least am working towards a perfect item with each bit of vet content I do.

spending endless time in dungeons is not my definition of playing a game to have fun.
it is boring and it is dissappointing that this is needed and BiS* is only till the next patch
then you start allover again

and to do some maths:
with 12-14 parts that can be morfed, it requires 480 - 560 crystals for every patch!
how will you ever loot this between 2 patches?

oh and not to think about the unwanted changes ZOS does to your gear, by "optimizing" your gaming experience, LOL

give up my job and only play eso for the rest of my life?
Not really, but
giving up eso and playing something more satifying? Yes, that may be a questionable solution!

*BiS= Best in slot

This isn't meant to be the only means of getting BiS though. If you need gear which is a dungeon drop then you can get that at the same time.

If you're doing dailies each day for keys/shoulders/content then you have 3x shots a day by doing vet dungeons.
If you're farming a set you get # of bosses & chests shots at the perfect trait item + a shot at the gem at the end.
If you're doing end game PvE you get shots every trial you run.

If you're a PvP player you get life even easier and just PvP for your shots at them (you literally get them for doing what you love in PvP).

Again this isn't a system which is designed to re-gear your entire character every update, it's designed to give people who have done 200+ runs of vMA the ability to turn one of those staves into the perfect trait they have been after.

See, as I mentioned before somehow Community Abassadors are the first to justify developers decisions over players opinions.

Just look, how many players you see who support the idea to make a good hundred of vet runs to get one item trait changed? It's only you, the Community Ambassador.

You don't reflect community opinion, same as other Community Ambassadors tend to do. You are simply payed talkback, they gave you special status so you feel obligated to them.

I see no problem with that bro, if you ask me they can even pay people to do this, but why it needs to be so ridiculous being named "Community Ambassador"? It's like someone made it as a joke

You are wrong.
I hope they require 100 and not 40.

Why? Why would you want to farm 100 dungeons to change 1 item? Why do you consider that fun or a good use of time?

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Token systems are designed to reflect how bad RNG can be, so players who have done the content tens or hundreds of times but never had their item drop can cash out to get it rather than face RNG over and over.

People seem to be expecting more of this system than it's intended to deliver.

Those token system in other MMOs are more forgiving than this, or they used to be before the cash shop grind skips existed.
Those people who did those runs over and over wil lnot be granted a lot of these transmutation crystals. Tjhey'll have to grind a lot again for this. It's not really helping them. They're already tired and had enough.


Who wants to take bets on how long it will be before the crown store shows transmutation crystals for sale and the very grindy nature of this is revealed as a cash grab?
I give it until 2 weeks after the launch of the dlc.

Turelus wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Wait... this was something people didn't realise?

Whatever, it means I at least am working towards a perfect item with each bit of vet content I do.

spending endless time in dungeons is not my definition of playing a game to have fun.
it is boring and it is dissappointing that this is needed and BiS* is only till the next patch
then you start allover again

and to do some maths:
with 12-14 parts that can be morfed, it requires 480 - 560 crystals for every patch!
how will you ever loot this between 2 patches?

oh and not to think about the unwanted changes ZOS does to your gear, by "optimizing" your gaming experience, LOL

give up my job and only play eso for the rest of my life?
Not really, but
giving up eso and playing something more satifying? Yes, that may be a questionable solution!

*BiS= Best in slot

This isn't meant to be the only means of getting BiS though. If you need gear which is a dungeon drop then you can get that at the same time.

If you're doing dailies each day for keys/shoulders/content then you have 3x shots a day by doing vet dungeons.
If you're farming a set you get # of bosses & chests shots at the perfect trait item + a shot at the gem at the end.
If you're doing end game PvE you get shots every trial you run.

If you're a PvP player you get life even easier and just PvP for your shots at them (you literally get them for doing what you love in PvP).

Again this isn't a system which is designed to re-gear your entire character every update, it's designed to give people who have done 200+ runs of vMA the ability to turn one of those staves into the perfect trait they have been after.

See, as I mentioned before somehow Community Abassadors are the first to justify developers decisions over players opinions.

Just look, how many players you see who support the idea to make a good hundred of vet runs to get one item trait changed? It's only you, the Community Ambassador.

You don't reflect community opinion, same as other Community Ambassadors tend to do. You are simply payed talkback, they gave you special status so you feel obligated to them.

I see no problem with that bro, if you ask me they can even pay people to do this, but why it needs to be so ridiculous being named "Community Ambassador"? It's like someone made it as a joke

You are wrong.
I hope they require 100 and not 40.

Why? Why would you want to farm 100 dungeons to change 1 item? Why do you consider that fun or a good us of time?

I think you should only use this feature for special items, not your entire inventory. And I'm just going to play as normally, not farm them, and eventually I can change something I really want etc.

I think this system helps with really bad RNG, like doing 700+ VMA runs and still not getting a sharp inferno etc. it should not replace farming/playing the game.

That's my understanding of it as well.

This is how it's been in other games however there because they don't have multiple traits it was you saved up enough tokens to purchase an item you wanted from an vendor.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Wait... this was something people didn't realise?

Whatever, it means I at least am working towards a perfect item with each bit of vet content I do.

spending endless time in dungeons is not my definition of playing a game to have fun.
it is boring and it is dissappointing that this is needed and BiS* is only till the next patch
then you start allover again

and to do some maths:
with 12-14 parts that can be morfed, it requires 480 - 560 crystals for every patch!
how will you ever loot this between 2 patches?

oh and not to think about the unwanted changes ZOS does to your gear, by "optimizing" your gaming experience, LOL

give up my job and only play eso for the rest of my life?
Not really, but
giving up eso and playing something more satifying? Yes, that may be a questionable solution!

*BiS= Best in slot

This isn't meant to be the only means of getting BiS though. If you need gear which is a dungeon drop then you can get that at the same time.

If you're doing dailies each day for keys/shoulders/content then you have 3x shots a day by doing vet dungeons.
If you're farming a set you get # of bosses & chests shots at the perfect trait item + a shot at the gem at the end.
If you're doing end game PvE you get shots every trial you run.

If you're a PvP player you get life even easier and just PvP for your shots at them (you literally get them for doing what you love in PvP).

Again this isn't a system which is designed to re-gear your entire character every update, it's designed to give people who have done 200+ runs of vMA the ability to turn one of those staves into the perfect trait they have been after.

See, as I mentioned before somehow Community Abassadors are the first to justify developers decisions over players opinions.

Just look, how many players you see who support the idea to make a good hundred of vet runs to get one item trait changed? It's only you, the Community Ambassador.

You don't reflect community opinion, same as other Community Ambassadors tend to do. You are simply payed talkback, they gave you special status so you feel obligated to them.

I see no problem with that bro, if you ask me they can even pay people to do this, but why it needs to be so ridiculous being named "Community Ambassador"? It's like someone made it as a joke

You are wrong.
I hope they require 100 and not 40.

Why? Why would you want to farm 100 dungeons to change 1 item? Why do you consider that fun or a good use of time?

He doesn't want to dot hat himself, but he doesn't want anybody else getting it either. He's more interested in putting it out of reach of others so he can profit from it.

I bet the Geode containers will be tradable, or he thinks they will so he can profit.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Wait... this was something people didn't realise?

Whatever, it means I at least am working towards a perfect item with each bit of vet content I do.

spending endless time in dungeons is not my definition of playing a game to have fun.
it is boring and it is dissappointing that this is needed and BiS* is only till the next patch
then you start allover again

and to do some maths:
with 12-14 parts that can be morfed, it requires 480 - 560 crystals for every patch!
how will you ever loot this between 2 patches?

oh and not to think about the unwanted changes ZOS does to your gear, by "optimizing" your gaming experience, LOL

give up my job and only play eso for the rest of my life?
Not really, but
giving up eso and playing something more satifying? Yes, that may be a questionable solution!

*BiS= Best in slot

This isn't meant to be the only means of getting BiS though. If you need gear which is a dungeon drop then you can get that at the same time.

If you're doing dailies each day for keys/shoulders/content then you have 3x shots a day by doing vet dungeons.
If you're farming a set you get # of bosses & chests shots at the perfect trait item + a shot at the gem at the end.
If you're doing end game PvE you get shots every trial you run.

If you're a PvP player you get life even easier and just PvP for your shots at them (you literally get them for doing what you love in PvP).

Again this isn't a system which is designed to re-gear your entire character every update, it's designed to give people who have done 200+ runs of vMA the ability to turn one of those staves into the perfect trait they have been after.

See, as I mentioned before somehow Community Abassadors are the first to justify developers decisions over players opinions.

Just look, how many players you see who support the idea to make a good hundred of vet runs to get one item trait changed? It's only you, the Community Ambassador.

You don't reflect community opinion, same as other Community Ambassadors tend to do. You are simply payed talkback, they gave you special status so you feel obligated to them.

I see no problem with that bro, if you ask me they can even pay people to do this, but why it needs to be so ridiculous being named "Community Ambassador"? It's like someone made it as a joke

You are wrong.
I hope they require 100 and not 40.

Why? Why would you want to farm 100 dungeons to change 1 item? Why do you consider that fun or a good us of time?

I think you should only use this feature for special items, not your entire inventory. And I'm just going to play as normally, not farm them, and eventually I can change something I really want etc.

I think this system helps with really bad RNG, like doing 700+ VMA runs and still not getting a sharp inferno etc. it should not replace farming/playing the game.

That's my understanding of it as well.

This is how it's been in other games however there because they don't have multiple traits it was you saved up enough tokens to purchase an item you wanted from an vendor.

That would be a lot more forgiving, and in most of those games it was. But we've got grind on top of RNG, and a crown store to bypass it.
I'm calling it. Transmutation crystal bundles in the crown store before November with a single crystal being at least 200 crowns.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

I mean you called people wanting BiS to require some effort "racists" "masochists" etc.

No, I said those same "ists" and "isms" come from the same emotional selfishness and ill will toward fellow people where racism and other such evil/bad things from from.
They're all born out of a sense of entitlement that nobody should ever be equal to you or have it easier. It's closely related to old man "kids these days. In my day we walked uphill 5 miles, both ways, barefoot in the snow to school and back". /getoffmylawn

Why do some people have it against things getting better and easier, especially when there is so much more to do that anybody new has an overwhelming amount of things on their plate that can be very daunting?

I don't know about you, other than your arguments for grind, but I'm very afraid for the game with the way it is headed and how it isn't looking more friendly to new players. We're going to be hemorrhaging players eventually with nobody to replace them.

kylewwefan wrote: »

How are these transmutation crystals both account wide and not bankable? It not making sense to me.

will I be able to use all the crystals I get on any toon from just my main crafter?

Are they like sigil of imperial retreat where can only be used on toon that currently is carrying it?

Do I need to research traits I may want to use on all toons so I can eventually use them?

How many are required to change traits?

Brrrofski wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Wait... this was something people didn't realise?

Whatever, it means I at least am working towards a perfect item with each bit of vet content I do.

spending endless time in dungeons is not my definition of playing a game to have fun.
it is boring and it is dissappointing that this is needed and BiS* is only till the next patch
then you start allover again

and to do some maths:
with 12-14 parts that can be morfed, it requires 480 - 560 crystals for every patch!
how will you ever loot this between 2 patches?

oh and not to think about the unwanted changes ZOS does to your gear, by "optimizing" your gaming experience, LOL

give up my job and only play eso for the rest of my life?
Not really, but
giving up eso and playing something more satifying? Yes, that may be a questionable solution!

*BiS= Best in slot

This isn't meant to be the only means of getting BiS though. If you need gear which is a dungeon drop then you can get that at the same time.

If you're doing dailies each day for keys/shoulders/content then you have 3x shots a day by doing vet dungeons.
If you're farming a set you get # of bosses & chests shots at the perfect trait item + a shot at the gem at the end.
If you're doing end game PvE you get shots every trial you run.

If you're a PvP player you get life even easier and just PvP for your shots at them (you literally get them for doing what you love in PvP).

Again this isn't a system which is designed to re-gear your entire character every update, it's designed to give people who have done 200+ runs of vMA the ability to turn one of those staves into the perfect trait they have been after.

See, as I mentioned before somehow Community Abassadors are the first to justify developers decisions over players opinions.

Just look, how many players you see who support the idea to make a good hundred of vet runs to get one item trait changed? It's only you, the Community Ambassador.

You don't reflect community opinion, same as other Community Ambassadors tend to do. You are simply payed talkback, they gave you special status so you feel obligated to them.

I see no problem with that bro, if you ask me they can even pay people to do this, but why it needs to be so ridiculous being named "Community Ambassador"? It's like someone made it as a joke

You are wrong.
I hope they require 100 and not 40.

Why? Why would you want to farm 100 dungeons to change 1 item? Why do you consider that fun or a good use of time?

DPShiro wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Wait... this was something people didn't realise?

Whatever, it means I at least am working towards a perfect item with each bit of vet content I do.

spending endless time in dungeons is not my definition of playing a game to have fun.
it is boring and it is dissappointing that this is needed and BiS* is only till the next patch
then you start allover again

and to do some maths:
with 12-14 parts that can be morfed, it requires 480 - 560 crystals for every patch!
how will you ever loot this between 2 patches?

oh and not to think about the unwanted changes ZOS does to your gear, by "optimizing" your gaming experience, LOL

give up my job and only play eso for the rest of my life?
Not really, but
giving up eso and playing something more satifying? Yes, that may be a questionable solution!

*BiS= Best in slot

This isn't meant to be the only means of getting BiS though. If you need gear which is a dungeon drop then you can get that at the same time.

If you're doing dailies each day for keys/shoulders/content then you have 3x shots a day by doing vet dungeons.
If you're farming a set you get # of bosses & chests shots at the perfect trait item + a shot at the gem at the end.
If you're doing end game PvE you get shots every trial you run.

If you're a PvP player you get life even easier and just PvP for your shots at them (you literally get them for doing what you love in PvP).

Again this isn't a system which is designed to re-gear your entire character every update, it's designed to give people who have done 200+ runs of vMA the ability to turn one of those staves into the perfect trait they have been after.

See, as I mentioned before somehow Community Abassadors are the first to justify developers decisions over players opinions.

Just look, how many players you see who support the idea to make a good hundred of vet runs to get one item trait changed? It's only you, the Community Ambassador.

You don't reflect community opinion, same as other Community Ambassadors tend to do. You are simply payed talkback, they gave you special status so you feel obligated to them.

I see no problem with that bro, if you ask me they can even pay people to do this, but why it needs to be so ridiculous being named "Community Ambassador"? It's like someone made it as a joke

You are wrong.
I hope they require 100 and not 40.

Why? Why would you want to farm 100 dungeons to change 1 item? Why do you consider that fun or a good us of time?

I think you should only use this feature for special items, not your entire inventory. And I'm just going to play as normally, not farm them, and eventually I can change something I really want etc.

I think this system helps with really bad RNG, like doing 700+ VMA runs and still not getting a sharp inferno etc. it should not replace farming/playing the game.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Wait... this was something people didn't realise?

Whatever, it means I at least am working towards a perfect item with each bit of vet content I do.

spending endless time in dungeons is not my definition of playing a game to have fun.
it is boring and it is dissappointing that this is needed and BiS* is only till the next patch
then you start allover again

and to do some maths:
with 12-14 parts that can be morfed, it requires 480 - 560 crystals for every patch!
how will you ever loot this between 2 patches?

oh and not to think about the unwanted changes ZOS does to your gear, by "optimizing" your gaming experience, LOL

give up my job and only play eso for the rest of my life?
Not really, but
giving up eso and playing something more satifying? Yes, that may be a questionable solution!

*BiS= Best in slot

This isn't meant to be the only means of getting BiS though. If you need gear which is a dungeon drop then you can get that at the same time.

If you're doing dailies each day for keys/shoulders/content then you have 3x shots a day by doing vet dungeons.
If you're farming a set you get # of bosses & chests shots at the perfect trait item + a shot at the gem at the end.
If you're doing end game PvE you get shots every trial you run.

If you're a PvP player you get life even easier and just PvP for your shots at them (you literally get them for doing what you love in PvP).

Again this isn't a system which is designed to re-gear your entire character every update, it's designed to give people who have done 200+ runs of vMA the ability to turn one of those staves into the perfect trait they have been after.

See, as I mentioned before somehow Community Abassadors are the first to justify developers decisions over players opinions.

Just look, how many players you see who support the idea to make a good hundred of vet runs to get one item trait changed? It's only you, the Community Ambassador.

You don't reflect community opinion, same as other Community Ambassadors tend to do. You are simply payed talkback, they gave you special status so you feel obligated to them.

I see no problem with that bro, if you ask me they can even pay people to do this, but why it needs to be so ridiculous being named "Community Ambassador"? It's like someone made it as a joke

You are wrong.
I hope they require 100 and not 40.

And we already proved in the other thread you just want to exclude others from things you want to keep to yourself. You're elitist and want others to suffer.

Thanks for clarifying this, I was amused by the reply of this guy. Like why someone would like to block such an expected feature? Now I see, it's a guy who grinded everything and was lucky to get it (not like many others running same content 100 of times without getting what they are looking for) and now he is coming to spread salt. So pathetic.

So you call doing VMA over 700+ times and still not getting a sharp Inferno lucky?

But did you enjoy it? Do you defend that grind as "just what I wanted"?

If you can't defend that grind then you shouldn't defend the transmutation crystal grind at even 40 of them because it means a lot more work for you, and this time you can't solo it. You ahve to wait for groups and hope they're good enough to finish the veteran content.
Good luck.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

This is definitely intended. I understand why people would be miffed about farming for it, but it is a resource that is designed to be earned while you play as an accumulating reward rather than instant gratification at launch.

Nobody is talking about instant gratification, but locking it behind a veteran group wall, where not everybody can get a group that often or actually complete the content, is pretty insane.
Even at 40 runs for 40 crystals to transmute one time it's even more insane. Another forum posters said 10-15 minutes to run the fastest vet dungeon. That's 8-10 hours not including forming the group or reforming when not everbody sticks together.

So we've got 8-9 eligible items for one full kit of equipment that can be trait changed if we need them to. That's going to be months and months of work. One piece could be months and months even for the more casual.

And FYI, new players can't even do this. They can't do Veteran content unless somebody wants to carry them if the game even allows it.
That's a pretty stupid design to have a major system locked to the very endgame. They probably won't even touch it for a while once they get there since they couldn't even pay around with it earlier. It's like trying to show an 80 year old how to use a smartphone for simple calling even. They just refuse to learn even if they can remember the directions enough to learn.

This is very short-sighted to add more grind, especially considering much of this grind is mutually exclusive to each other based on location. It's not like you can farm crafting nodes while running most dungeons or farm a trial for one item while farming a different dungeon for an item there.
Limited time is a killer of games. The more time they take for everything with little to show for it the more they get boring and die. People are getting busier outside the game, not having more free time.