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Need Help with Non-Meta PvP Sorc
Libonotus
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Can you recommend what sets and mundus to run?
I want something that's moving away from the lich spinners infernal setup but has the same or more damage output
I want something that's moving away from the lich spinners infernal setup but has the same or more damage output
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FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭For pvp it would probably have to include lich or seducer, or some other set to boost regens. Spinners can be handy depending on who your preferred target is. I don't like fighting other sorcs and prefer going after tankier melee characters, so I feel like spinners is still necessary for me.
Have you tried going the tanky route? A while back I got fed up with what I felt like was forced shield stacking so tried to think of ways to only use my class ward. This involved wearing some heavy armour, full impen, using boundless storm and defending resto on back bar to try to achieve resistances on par with the stam characters I was fighting, without loosing too much damage. To boost sorcs natural burst damage I used a combination combat prayer and vulnerability poisons, both independantly grant 8% more damage, albeit with limited up time.
I could go into gear but I think you would be disappointed, but the build was reasonably effective and often caught people by surprise. If you like the idea of tanking up with some heavy armour then look at wearing crafted sets that you can have in both light and heavy.
Disclaimer: this is just an idea of one way to reasonably not run a meta sorc, but still be a damage dealer; it won't be the new meta any time soon
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phairdon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Julianos/thunderbug for one of my sorcs, when it comes to pvp.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)1 -
dpencil1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mega-Sustain (go all night long):
Atro mundus. Some combo of Lich, Amberplasm, Shcklebreaker, Seducer, or Alteration Mastery
Pet-Burst (hit em hard but run out juice fast):
Thief mundus. Necropotence + BSW
Shield-King (stack em' to the roof!):
Mage mundus. 2 mismatched magicka monster pieces, 5 Necro, 3 Ancient's Grace, Master staves
Ow My Frags! ("Hits like a truck")
Apprentice mundus. 2 Slimecraw, 5 War-Maiden, 3 Willpower, vMA staves
Just some off-the-cuff ideas. Balancing a damage set with a sustain set (like Spinner/Lich) will generally do better, but these can offer some fun playstyles in various situations.4 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭grannas211 wrote: »Shackle/Amber is better than lich and spinner.
Shackle and amber is not efficient. Too much stam recovery. 1 is enough
Amber/lich works very well. You can get away with running 5 amber 4 lich and the last 2 pieces are up to you. Just make sure you spec for regen to make up missing out on the lich 5 piece bonus.
Spinner/lich is a classic setup that works.
You can try Shackle/ will power / 2 piece of your choice. Shackle / lich.
Non meta look at seducer or bloodthorn. Bloodthorn is one of the most underrated sets in the game, you can probably pick up a full set for less than 5K and it's a super good set. There are a lot of viable options for non-meta mag sorc.2 -
Johnnny✭grannas211 wrote: »Shackle/Amber is better than lich and spinner.
Shackle and amber is not efficient. Too much stam recovery. 1 is enough
Amber/lich works very well. You can get away with running 5 amber 4 lich and the last 2 pieces are up to you. Just make sure you spec for regen to make up missing out on the lich 5 piece bonus.
Spinner/lich is a classic setup that works.
You can try Shackle/ will power / 2 piece of your choice. Shackle / lich.
Non meta look at seducer or bloodthorn. Bloodthorn is one of the most underrated sets in the game, you can probably pick up a full set for less than 5K and it's a super good set. There are a lot of viable options for non-meta mag sorc.
Shackle and amber are really good for no cp stuff, as you lose all the roll dodge/breakfree/stam regen cp points.
And I still use it for CP PVP and I don't see lich/spinner being more efficient. If I remember correctly it has more effective damage on almost anyone who has below 18k resists (and for shields too, obviously), or at least it's what UESP says.
Don't forget that, as a sorc, you can actually convert all the stam into magicka, as well, and roll dodging between streaks is really nice.
For non meta you can even slot shuffle.Edited by Johnnny on September 18, 2017 4:59AM0 -
grannas211✭✭✭✭✭
✭grannas211 wrote: »Shackle/Amber is better than lich and spinner.
Shackle and amber is not efficient. Too much stam recovery. 1 is enough
Amber/lich works very well. You can get away with running 5 amber 4 lich and the last 2 pieces are up to you. Just make sure you spec for regen to make up missing out on the lich 5 piece bonus.
Spinner/lich is a classic setup that works.
You can try Shackle/ will power / 2 piece of your choice. Shackle / lich.
Non meta look at seducer or bloodthorn. Bloodthorn is one of the most underrated sets in the game, you can probably pick up a full set for less than 5K and it's a super good set. There are a lot of viable options for non-meta mag sorc.
Amberplasm and shacklebreaker is gonna be more damage than Amber and Lich. Both shackle and amber have spell damage, max magicka, and then one is giving you crit as well. Lich is pure recovery. Not seeing how that is more "efficient"
Edited by grannas211 on September 18, 2017 6:04AM0 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭grannas211 wrote: »grannas211 wrote: »Shackle/Amber is better than lich and spinner.
Shackle and amber is not efficient. Too much stam recovery. 1 is enough
Amber/lich works very well. You can get away with running 5 amber 4 lich and the last 2 pieces are up to you. Just make sure you spec for regen to make up missing out on the lich 5 piece bonus.
Spinner/lich is a classic setup that works.
You can try Shackle/ will power / 2 piece of your choice. Shackle / lich.
Non meta look at seducer or bloodthorn. Bloodthorn is one of the most underrated sets in the game, you can probably pick up a full set for less than 5K and it's a super good set. There are a lot of viable options for non-meta mag sorc.
Only Amberplasm has stam recovery. Amberplasm and shacklebreaker is gonna be more damage than Amber and Lich. Both shackle and amber have spell damage, max magicka, and then one is giving you crit as well. Lich is pure recovery. Not seeing how that is more "efficient"
Bro you're just flat out wrong Shackle gives stam recovery.
Amber plasm + Shackle will give you more damage = true. But it will give you less sustain
There are still ways to get damage outside of shackle. What does your spell damage tick to buffed with shackle / amber? I am breaking 3k with my lich / amber set up. It is debatable if it is BiS but I really enjoy running it and can't get away from it. It works so well and most players are helpless against it.
I also break 40k mag with my current build and am currently at 2k regen. If I slot 3 spell damage glyphs on jewels instead of 2 spell damage 1 recovery, I break 3400 spell damage and am still at 1700 regen which is still probably enough for mag sorc. That is with Amber / lich. My resistances also break 20k each with the setup I'm running
I really don't see why you need all that stam recovery when amber gives you enough. Destruction Mastery is a better choice to run with Shackle, IMHO.grannas211 wrote: »Shackle/Amber is better than lich and spinner.
Shackle and amber is not efficient. Too much stam recovery. 1 is enough
Amber/lich works very well. You can get away with running 5 amber 4 lich and the last 2 pieces are up to you. Just make sure you spec for regen to make up missing out on the lich 5 piece bonus.
Spinner/lich is a classic setup that works.
You can try Shackle/ will power / 2 piece of your choice. Shackle / lich.
Non meta look at seducer or bloodthorn. Bloodthorn is one of the most underrated sets in the game, you can probably pick up a full set for less than 5K and it's a super good set. There are a lot of viable options for non-meta mag sorc.
Shackle and amber are really good for no cp stuff, as you lose all the roll dodge/breakfree/stam regen cp points.
And I still use it for CP PVP and I don't see lich/spinner being more efficient. If I remember correctly it has more effective damage on almost anyone who has below 18k resists (and for shields too, obviously), or at least it's what UESP says.
Don't forget that, as a sorc, you can actually convert all the stam into magicka, as well, and roll dodging between streaks is really nice.
For non meta you can even slot shuffle.
I'm not debating that it isn't bad but I'd personally rather run shackle / destruction masteryEdited by Betsararie on September 18, 2017 6:23AM0 -
C4Bliss✭✭✭I still run spinners and lich and destroy pretty much everything... I have to admit sustain is just ok and stam is pretty low but I like the damage! If I want to solo more I go shackle and amber0 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭I still run spinners and lich and destroy pretty much everything... I have to admit sustain is just ok and stam is pretty low but I like the damage! If I want to solo more I go shackle and amber
ok so here's the thing.
It is very good for damage but I just don't like running with that little sustain. I can sustain forever with my current setup, it is really amazing. Helps a lot for 1vX and 1v1. Also I am spoiled by my infinite pool of stam. Amber is just such a great set when paired with tri food.
A good combo to try in no cp is spinner lich slimecraw. The damage is pretty OP because everyone's defenses are lower. 10k+ frags on the regular.
Spinner's and lich is definitely a good combo if you can make it work out in terms of sustain.0 -
grannas211✭✭✭✭✭
✭grannas211 wrote: »grannas211 wrote: »Shackle/Amber is better than lich and spinner.
Shackle and amber is not efficient. Too much stam recovery. 1 is enough
Amber/lich works very well. You can get away with running 5 amber 4 lich and the last 2 pieces are up to you. Just make sure you spec for regen to make up missing out on the lich 5 piece bonus.
Spinner/lich is a classic setup that works.
You can try Shackle/ will power / 2 piece of your choice. Shackle / lich.
Non meta look at seducer or bloodthorn. Bloodthorn is one of the most underrated sets in the game, you can probably pick up a full set for less than 5K and it's a super good set. There are a lot of viable options for non-meta mag sorc.
Only Amberplasm has stam recovery. Amberplasm and shacklebreaker is gonna be more damage than Amber and Lich. Both shackle and amber have spell damage, max magicka, and then one is giving you crit as well. Lich is pure recovery. Not seeing how that is more "efficient"
Bro you're just flat out wrong Shackle gives stam recovery.
Amber plasm + Shackle will give you more damage = true. But it will give you less sustain
There are still ways to get damage outside of shackle. What does your spell damage tick to buffed with shackle / amber? I am breaking 3k with my lich / amber set up. It is debatable if it is BiS but I really enjoy running it and can't get away from it. It works so well and most players are helpless against it.
I also break 40k mag with my current build and am currently at 2k regen. If I slot 3 spell damage glyphs on jewels instead of 2 spell damage 1 recovery, I break 3400 spell damage and am still at 1700 regen which is still probably enough for mag sorc. That is with Amber / lich. My resistances also break 20k each with the setup I'm running
I really don't see why you need all that stam recovery when amber gives you enough. Destruction Mastery is a better choice to run with Shackle, IMHO.grannas211 wrote: »Shackle/Amber is better than lich and spinner.
Shackle and amber is not efficient. Too much stam recovery. 1 is enough
Amber/lich works very well. You can get away with running 5 amber 4 lich and the last 2 pieces are up to you. Just make sure you spec for regen to make up missing out on the lich 5 piece bonus.
Spinner/lich is a classic setup that works.
You can try Shackle/ will power / 2 piece of your choice. Shackle / lich.
Non meta look at seducer or bloodthorn. Bloodthorn is one of the most underrated sets in the game, you can probably pick up a full set for less than 5K and it's a super good set. There are a lot of viable options for non-meta mag sorc.
Shackle and amber are really good for no cp stuff, as you lose all the roll dodge/breakfree/stam regen cp points.
And I still use it for CP PVP and I don't see lich/spinner being more efficient. If I remember correctly it has more effective damage on almost anyone who has below 18k resists (and for shields too, obviously), or at least it's what UESP says.
Don't forget that, as a sorc, you can actually convert all the stam into magicka, as well, and roll dodging between streaks is really nice.
For non meta you can even slot shuffle.
I'm not debating that it isn't bad but I'd personally rather run shackle / destruction mastery
Yes you are right about shacklebreaker. I edited the post shortly after I typed that. Sorry it's late at night and I was falling asleep. Not sure what I was thinking.
I'll put that on tomorrow and check the stats. I know it's 40k plus magicka and I think around 2500 unbuffed spell damage could be wrong. Recovery is around 2k with one recovery glyph.
I actually switched to 5 Shacklebreaker, 4 necropotence recently and have been testing that out.
I apologize if it came out as offensive or attacking. I like talking sorc setups. I shouldn't be on here mid sleep, yet here I am back. Insomnia and all that.0 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭grannas211 wrote: »grannas211 wrote: »grannas211 wrote: »Shackle/Amber is better than lich and spinner.
Shackle and amber is not efficient. Too much stam recovery. 1 is enough
Amber/lich works very well. You can get away with running 5 amber 4 lich and the last 2 pieces are up to you. Just make sure you spec for regen to make up missing out on the lich 5 piece bonus.
Spinner/lich is a classic setup that works.
You can try Shackle/ will power / 2 piece of your choice. Shackle / lich.
Non meta look at seducer or bloodthorn. Bloodthorn is one of the most underrated sets in the game, you can probably pick up a full set for less than 5K and it's a super good set. There are a lot of viable options for non-meta mag sorc.
Only Amberplasm has stam recovery. Amberplasm and shacklebreaker is gonna be more damage than Amber and Lich. Both shackle and amber have spell damage, max magicka, and then one is giving you crit as well. Lich is pure recovery. Not seeing how that is more "efficient"
Bro you're just flat out wrong Shackle gives stam recovery.
Amber plasm + Shackle will give you more damage = true. But it will give you less sustain
There are still ways to get damage outside of shackle. What does your spell damage tick to buffed with shackle / amber? I am breaking 3k with my lich / amber set up. It is debatable if it is BiS but I really enjoy running it and can't get away from it. It works so well and most players are helpless against it.
I also break 40k mag with my current build and am currently at 2k regen. If I slot 3 spell damage glyphs on jewels instead of 2 spell damage 1 recovery, I break 3400 spell damage and am still at 1700 regen which is still probably enough for mag sorc. That is with Amber / lich. My resistances also break 20k each with the setup I'm running
I really don't see why you need all that stam recovery when amber gives you enough. Destruction Mastery is a better choice to run with Shackle, IMHO.grannas211 wrote: »Shackle/Amber is better than lich and spinner.
Shackle and amber is not efficient. Too much stam recovery. 1 is enough
Amber/lich works very well. You can get away with running 5 amber 4 lich and the last 2 pieces are up to you. Just make sure you spec for regen to make up missing out on the lich 5 piece bonus.
Spinner/lich is a classic setup that works.
You can try Shackle/ will power / 2 piece of your choice. Shackle / lich.
Non meta look at seducer or bloodthorn. Bloodthorn is one of the most underrated sets in the game, you can probably pick up a full set for less than 5K and it's a super good set. There are a lot of viable options for non-meta mag sorc.
Shackle and amber are really good for no cp stuff, as you lose all the roll dodge/breakfree/stam regen cp points.
And I still use it for CP PVP and I don't see lich/spinner being more efficient. If I remember correctly it has more effective damage on almost anyone who has below 18k resists (and for shields too, obviously), or at least it's what UESP says.
Don't forget that, as a sorc, you can actually convert all the stam into magicka, as well, and roll dodging between streaks is really nice.
For non meta you can even slot shuffle.
I'm not debating that it isn't bad but I'd personally rather run shackle / destruction mastery
Yes you are right about shacklebreaker. I edited the post shortly after I typed that. Sorry it's late at night and I was falling asleep. Not sure what I was thinking.
I'll put that on tomorrow and check the stats. I know it's 40k plus magicka and I think around 2500 unbuffed spell damage could be wrong. Recovery is around 2k with one recovery glyph.
I actually switched to 5 Shacklebreaker, 4 necropotence recently and have been testing that out.
I apologize if it came out as offensive or attacking. I like talking sorc setups. I shouldn't be on here mid sleep, yet here I am back. Insomnia and all that.
The set ups are likely close, for a while now I have thought shackle is slightly better than amber but I just haven't spent the time to switch because I think the difference is small. Amber still performs very well and I don't feel I am lacking anything with this build. Very solid all around.
5 amber 4 lich 1 infernal will get you to 40k mag if you're running infused on big pieces. Now for the jewels I'm running 2 spell damage 1 recovery, which will get me to 3k buffed or 2.1k unbuffed. If I switch to all 3 spell damage I will break 3400 buffed spell damage and regen drops to 1669. That's still arguably enough but I like sustain. Also worth mentioning I am running apprentice.
The last piece is up in the air, you can throw in kena which would get you more spell damage than I have now, another max mag piece, shadowrend. I've actually been experimenting with 1 pirate skelly which has been very interesting. I break 20k on both resistances buffed and sometimes people will have trouble killing you even when your shields are down. It works even better in no cp. Something involving shackle would likely be a little bit better than this setup, but it is still viable and fun to play.0 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭For non-meta - go DW.. Or even better - 2-hander!!!
Dunno why I don't see more magsorcs using 2-handers in Cyro.. Well, I do - but its a shame..
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✭✭✭Spinner, lich 5p on dw bar. Master lightning staff, 2x Kena for burst, considering slimecraw when divines "happen" to drop for me.Fear is the Mindkiller0 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »Spinner, lich 5p on dw bar. Master lightning staff, 2x Kena for burst, considering slimecraw when divines "happen" to drop for me.
I kind of think he wanted to move away from Spinners/Lich..
I never really liked that combo, tbh..
How about willows path/trainee with dinks?Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭✭✭I run slimecraw, 5 bloodthorn touch, 3 willpower, VMA nirnhoned fire destro, random infused resto.
Bloodthorn is a nice sustain tool as long as you stay aggressive. Slimecraw and willpower for straight damage.
Hit like a truck and sustain great. 38k magica means my shield aren't huge, but I'm fine with that (they're still 8-9k each).Edited by Brrrofski on September 18, 2017 3:07PM0 -
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✭✭Icy_Waffles wrote: »Uh. Netch. Seducers. Valkyn.
Not sure why you would pick a Monster Helm that features Flame Damage, to pair with a set that buffs Shock Damage.0 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ProcSet damage is unaffected by spellpowerEdited by Biro123 on September 18, 2017 5:07PMMinalan owes me a beer.
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WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I stick to Lich cuz I can't beat the sustain. However, I use Julianos over Spinners."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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