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An One Handed and Magic idea.

RPGplayer13579
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In the past the argument against this idea is that you lose out on an equipment/weapon slot when it comes to filling a set of armor. My idea is a tradeoff, with this you get an extra skill slot. Instead of blocking you can use an extra skill. Have you ever filled your skill bar and wished you could add one more?
My Characters.

Mike Snow - Imperial - Templar - One-Handed and Shield - Tank - Daggerfall Covenant - Commander.
Catelyn Rivers - Breton - Sorcerer - Destruction Staff - Daggerfall Covenant - Telvanni Magister.
Ashara Sand - Redguard - Warden - Two-Handed/One-Handed and Shield - Daggerfall Covenant - Heroic.
Tormund gro-Largash - Orsimer - Dragonknight - Two-Handed - Daggerfall Covenant - Furious.
Lysa Rivers - Breton - Nightblade - Bow/One-Handed and Shield - Vampire - Daggerfall Covenant - Brassy Assassin.

Jon Karstark - Nord - Dragonknight - Two-Handed - Ebonheart Pact - Drunk.
Arya Sand - Dunmer - Dragonknight - Dual Wield - Ebonheart Pact - Assassin.
Sansa Snow - Impeial - Warden - Destruction Staff/One-Handed and Shield - Ebonheart Pect - Swashbuckler.
Jojen Reed-Walker - Argonian - Templar - Restoration Staff - Healer - Ebonheart Pact - Melancholy.
Alys Karstark - Nord - Nightblade - Bow/Dual Wield - Ebonheart Pact - Minstrel.

Nymeria Woods - Bosmer - Nightblade - Bow - Aldmeri Dominion - Thief.
Brandon Wings - Altmer - Templar - Restoration Staff - Healer - Aldmeri Dominion - Scholar.
Lyanna Flowers - Altmer - Sorcerer - Sword/Destruction Staff - Aldmeri Dominion - Duchess.
Marvolo-jo Riddle - Khajiit - Necromancer - Destruction Staff - Aldmeri Dominion - Deadlands Firewalker.
Obara Woods - Bosmer - Templar - Bow - Werewolf - Aldmeri Dominion - Cheerful.

  • Krayzie
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    Pretty neat idea, I'm sure ZoS will take this into consideration.
    I'm a PVE roleplayer concerned about my vampires stage 4 skin tone and keep getting load screens so I came here to distract people from major issues with a rant thread about my characters cosmetic appearance.
  • Jade1986
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    The best suggestion thus far has been the other hand would have a rune, or buckler. That would be a better idea instead of an extra slot, otherwise EVERYONE would use that for the extra slot.
  • TheShadowScout
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    Huh? Extra skill??? And how would that work exactly - them rewriting their whole game system to add a special skill slot that only exists when you equip one specific weapon set?

    Not to mention, the game system is set up for blocking heavy attacks, in some fights, being unable to block can mean an instant loss...

    Also, what tradeoff?
    You mean perhaps the one where you use an two-handed weapon to cast your castyness, and thus have to loose your offhand slot for the range you gain?
    That's already balanced!

    Of course... the basic "one handed and magic" idea is not a bad one, and one that had been considered for a long time... my take on it is known I suppose: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/259011/additional-weapon-skill-ideas/p1
    ...and something along those lines could really improve our ESO experience by giving every character, old or new, more skills to play with, to master, to pursue and to enjoy... ;)

    And if they make a different weapon line... they could balance the additional offhand slot by other means, like making the skills damage output a bit less then what casters who grab a staff can have... which would require no rewriting of the game system at all, just adding some skills. And it -would- be rather nifty for casters to have some sort of additional optiopns for their castyness...
  • Axoinus
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    "One handed magic"

    Lol
  • danno8
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    I would like to see a one-handed and "x" that targets close range magicka users (primarily DK, Templar and NB). The skills and passives would focus on AoE damage reduction, and a small damage bonus (less than that offered by Staff since you get an additional set bonus to play with).

    I think it could be balanced.

  • TheShadowScout
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    Axoinus wrote: »
    "One handed magic"

    Lol
    It is an important consideration... because... well...
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  • RPGplayer13579
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    You don't have to block. You can Dodge Roll or just keep moving around as you fight. And why have a Tank in your group if not for this.

    How is a buckler different from a shield? Smaller?

    Is this a good time to mention a Dual Casting skill line? Two extra skills available in a fight or two of the same with an overpowered version?

    And whatever equipment lost by using either of these skill lines would be regained if we could craft jewelry.
    My Characters.

    Mike Snow - Imperial - Templar - One-Handed and Shield - Tank - Daggerfall Covenant - Commander.
    Catelyn Rivers - Breton - Sorcerer - Destruction Staff - Daggerfall Covenant - Telvanni Magister.
    Ashara Sand - Redguard - Warden - Two-Handed/One-Handed and Shield - Daggerfall Covenant - Heroic.
    Tormund gro-Largash - Orsimer - Dragonknight - Two-Handed - Daggerfall Covenant - Furious.
    Lysa Rivers - Breton - Nightblade - Bow/One-Handed and Shield - Vampire - Daggerfall Covenant - Brassy Assassin.

    Jon Karstark - Nord - Dragonknight - Two-Handed - Ebonheart Pact - Drunk.
    Arya Sand - Dunmer - Dragonknight - Dual Wield - Ebonheart Pact - Assassin.
    Sansa Snow - Impeial - Warden - Destruction Staff/One-Handed and Shield - Ebonheart Pect - Swashbuckler.
    Jojen Reed-Walker - Argonian - Templar - Restoration Staff - Healer - Ebonheart Pact - Melancholy.
    Alys Karstark - Nord - Nightblade - Bow/Dual Wield - Ebonheart Pact - Minstrel.

    Nymeria Woods - Bosmer - Nightblade - Bow - Aldmeri Dominion - Thief.
    Brandon Wings - Altmer - Templar - Restoration Staff - Healer - Aldmeri Dominion - Scholar.
    Lyanna Flowers - Altmer - Sorcerer - Sword/Destruction Staff - Aldmeri Dominion - Duchess.
    Marvolo-jo Riddle - Khajiit - Necromancer - Destruction Staff - Aldmeri Dominion - Deadlands Firewalker.
    Obara Woods - Bosmer - Templar - Bow - Werewolf - Aldmeri Dominion - Cheerful.

  • STEVIL
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    i know of no skill that i need as my "seventh skill" on a bar that would be worth losing a second weapon or shield?

    maybe if it were a second ultimate slot with its own store of ultimate juice... maybe?

    but just a sixth option for an active skill???

    Maybe if it were a passive skill i could take from another class?

    but, likely nah.


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  • Mystrius_Archaion
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    Remove blocking? Never going to happen. You need block for certain attacks or you're just dead, and the same button is also used as part of the bash to interrupt and roll dodge(for those of us who want reliable and not accidental dodging with a gamepad).

    They definitely sold themselves short by not having "wands and orbs and focuses" like in the single player TEs games through mods and like their mementos such as "Lena's Wand of Finding", which they named a wand but isn't one(go figure).

    It's taking them far too long to do that considering dual wield and 1hand+shield get 2 full 5 piece set bonuses and the monster helm full set. That should be considered over-powered and nerfed so that the off-hand doesn't count for any set.
    If they don't want to nerf the off-hand then they need to give magicka a dual wield or 1hand/off-hand option.
  • RPGplayer13579
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    You don't have to block. You can Dodge Roll or just keep moving around as you fight. And why have a Tank in your group if not for this.

    How is a buckler different from a shield? Smaller?

    Is this a good time to mention a Dual Casting skill line? Two extra skills available in a fight or two of the same with an overpowered version?

    And whatever equipment lost by using either of these skill lines would be regained if we could craft jewelry.

    Again, when you are facing a heavy attack you can Dodge Roll out of the way or just keep moving. Throw in a couple of zig zags into the mix. Use the area to your advantage. In PVE you really don't need to block.

    These proposed weapon skills is for magicka users. Sorcerers, and Wardens for example.
    My Characters.

    Mike Snow - Imperial - Templar - One-Handed and Shield - Tank - Daggerfall Covenant - Commander.
    Catelyn Rivers - Breton - Sorcerer - Destruction Staff - Daggerfall Covenant - Telvanni Magister.
    Ashara Sand - Redguard - Warden - Two-Handed/One-Handed and Shield - Daggerfall Covenant - Heroic.
    Tormund gro-Largash - Orsimer - Dragonknight - Two-Handed - Daggerfall Covenant - Furious.
    Lysa Rivers - Breton - Nightblade - Bow/One-Handed and Shield - Vampire - Daggerfall Covenant - Brassy Assassin.

    Jon Karstark - Nord - Dragonknight - Two-Handed - Ebonheart Pact - Drunk.
    Arya Sand - Dunmer - Dragonknight - Dual Wield - Ebonheart Pact - Assassin.
    Sansa Snow - Impeial - Warden - Destruction Staff/One-Handed and Shield - Ebonheart Pect - Swashbuckler.
    Jojen Reed-Walker - Argonian - Templar - Restoration Staff - Healer - Ebonheart Pact - Melancholy.
    Alys Karstark - Nord - Nightblade - Bow/Dual Wield - Ebonheart Pact - Minstrel.

    Nymeria Woods - Bosmer - Nightblade - Bow - Aldmeri Dominion - Thief.
    Brandon Wings - Altmer - Templar - Restoration Staff - Healer - Aldmeri Dominion - Scholar.
    Lyanna Flowers - Altmer - Sorcerer - Sword/Destruction Staff - Aldmeri Dominion - Duchess.
    Marvolo-jo Riddle - Khajiit - Necromancer - Destruction Staff - Aldmeri Dominion - Deadlands Firewalker.
    Obara Woods - Bosmer - Templar - Bow - Werewolf - Aldmeri Dominion - Cheerful.

  • TheShadowScout
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    I still think, replacing block with an additional skill for one lone weapon setup would need way too much code rewite to ever happen.

    Its far better to think about suggestions that are -additions- to the existing system rather then -changes- whenever possible...

    So I would suggest giving it up and thinking again. ;)


    The "one-handed and magic" skill line idea is a valid idea, just without "extra skill instead of block" shennannigans.

    The 5+U skill setup in ESO is nifty enough, it actually adds flavor to the game to have to pick and choose your skills carefully for the fights you get into, instead of staring at two dozend cooldown timers to manage your "perfect rotation" like in some other games I disliked...
    Here, you gotta make your choices, and then play with them, or redo them in between battles.
    I like that.

    What -could- be talked about would be a "passive skill slot" that is for a toggleable for example... though with how they seem to be redoing toggleables to have an active effect instead, that one may soon be completely redundant...
  • RPGplayer13579
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    One can dream. The reason why I have been pushing this idea is that right there are six weapon skill sets and I have six characters/avatars. And each of them use on of the six weapon skill lines.

    If a new class can be added, then why not a new weapon skill? I am open to any ideas. Spears? There can still be blocking. Now that I think about it. Spears would be cool! Any other weapon skill lines you can think of?
    My Characters.

    Mike Snow - Imperial - Templar - One-Handed and Shield - Tank - Daggerfall Covenant - Commander.
    Catelyn Rivers - Breton - Sorcerer - Destruction Staff - Daggerfall Covenant - Telvanni Magister.
    Ashara Sand - Redguard - Warden - Two-Handed/One-Handed and Shield - Daggerfall Covenant - Heroic.
    Tormund gro-Largash - Orsimer - Dragonknight - Two-Handed - Daggerfall Covenant - Furious.
    Lysa Rivers - Breton - Nightblade - Bow/One-Handed and Shield - Vampire - Daggerfall Covenant - Brassy Assassin.

    Jon Karstark - Nord - Dragonknight - Two-Handed - Ebonheart Pact - Drunk.
    Arya Sand - Dunmer - Dragonknight - Dual Wield - Ebonheart Pact - Assassin.
    Sansa Snow - Impeial - Warden - Destruction Staff/One-Handed and Shield - Ebonheart Pect - Swashbuckler.
    Jojen Reed-Walker - Argonian - Templar - Restoration Staff - Healer - Ebonheart Pact - Melancholy.
    Alys Karstark - Nord - Nightblade - Bow/Dual Wield - Ebonheart Pact - Minstrel.

    Nymeria Woods - Bosmer - Nightblade - Bow - Aldmeri Dominion - Thief.
    Brandon Wings - Altmer - Templar - Restoration Staff - Healer - Aldmeri Dominion - Scholar.
    Lyanna Flowers - Altmer - Sorcerer - Sword/Destruction Staff - Aldmeri Dominion - Duchess.
    Marvolo-jo Riddle - Khajiit - Necromancer - Destruction Staff - Aldmeri Dominion - Deadlands Firewalker.
    Obara Woods - Bosmer - Templar - Bow - Werewolf - Aldmeri Dominion - Cheerful.

  • Sneaky-Snurr
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    You don't have to block. You can Dodge Roll or just keep moving around as you fight. And why have a Tank in your group if not for this.

    How is a buckler different from a shield? Smaller?

    Is this a good time to mention a Dual Casting skill line? Two extra skills available in a fight or two of the same with an overpowered version?

    And whatever equipment lost by using either of these skill lines would be regained if we could craft jewelry.
    @RPGplayer13579
    Don't get me wrong but I take it that you don't PvP much?
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  • RPGplayer13579
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    No I don't PvP much at all. My first PvP experience was during the Mayhem period a little while ago. I don't know when I will go back, maybe during a very slow time of day so I can finish some quests there. And that I why I want jewelry crafting, but that is another topic.

    The few times I went into the Imperial City one would think I was wearing a red shirt.
    My Characters.

    Mike Snow - Imperial - Templar - One-Handed and Shield - Tank - Daggerfall Covenant - Commander.
    Catelyn Rivers - Breton - Sorcerer - Destruction Staff - Daggerfall Covenant - Telvanni Magister.
    Ashara Sand - Redguard - Warden - Two-Handed/One-Handed and Shield - Daggerfall Covenant - Heroic.
    Tormund gro-Largash - Orsimer - Dragonknight - Two-Handed - Daggerfall Covenant - Furious.
    Lysa Rivers - Breton - Nightblade - Bow/One-Handed and Shield - Vampire - Daggerfall Covenant - Brassy Assassin.

    Jon Karstark - Nord - Dragonknight - Two-Handed - Ebonheart Pact - Drunk.
    Arya Sand - Dunmer - Dragonknight - Dual Wield - Ebonheart Pact - Assassin.
    Sansa Snow - Impeial - Warden - Destruction Staff/One-Handed and Shield - Ebonheart Pect - Swashbuckler.
    Jojen Reed-Walker - Argonian - Templar - Restoration Staff - Healer - Ebonheart Pact - Melancholy.
    Alys Karstark - Nord - Nightblade - Bow/Dual Wield - Ebonheart Pact - Minstrel.

    Nymeria Woods - Bosmer - Nightblade - Bow - Aldmeri Dominion - Thief.
    Brandon Wings - Altmer - Templar - Restoration Staff - Healer - Aldmeri Dominion - Scholar.
    Lyanna Flowers - Altmer - Sorcerer - Sword/Destruction Staff - Aldmeri Dominion - Duchess.
    Marvolo-jo Riddle - Khajiit - Necromancer - Destruction Staff - Aldmeri Dominion - Deadlands Firewalker.
    Obara Woods - Bosmer - Templar - Bow - Werewolf - Aldmeri Dominion - Cheerful.

  • TheShadowScout
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    One can dream. The reason why I have been pushing this idea is that right there are six weapon skill sets and I have six characters/avatars. And each of them use on of the six weapon skill lines.

    If a new class can be added, then why not a new weapon skill? I am open to any ideas. Spears? There can still be blocking. Now that I think about it. Spears would be cool! Any other weapon skill lines you can think of?
    Oh, I definitely would want way more weapon skills to be added, that is why I made the thread I mentioned before (note to self - maybe update that someday with more ideas...) - because i really would love to see those skill lines I dreamt up... Polearms, 1H&Ranged, 1H&Magic, Unarmed... all of those would make great additions to ESO methinks!

    Also, more weapon choices for existing skills!
    Like i also mentioned there, I'd love to have mor then "bows" for my marksmen characters, and more then "staff" for my casters... even if it wouldn't be a new skill line, new weapon options like crossbows or spell foci would be so very much appreciated for character diversity...
  • TheShadowScout
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    (note to self - maybe update that someday with more ideas...)
    It is done.
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/371862/additional-weapon-skill-ideas-mk-ii
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