I haven't tested to be sure, but I'm pretty sure that pets do in fact inherit the spell damage, no matter where it comes from. The tooltip should reflect more damage if your spell damage is higher. But this could easily be tested by switching mundus stones and seeing if the tooltip changes.

combat metrics needs to come to consoles... but im def leaning towards mage cause the higher stat pool will overall increase your dmg including pet damage. but just not sure exactly what stats pets inherit besides max magicka

dpencil1 wrote: »

@SoLooney
It depends on how substantial pet damage is to your overall damage. If you are us running the Volatile Familiar, maybe he's providing 12% of your total damage output. So using Apprentice, you gain no additional power for the Volatile Familiar, but 88% of your other skills get a sizable buff. Now if you're using the Volatile Familiar, Twilight Matriarch, Storm Atronach, and Maw of the Infernal, more of your total damage will be coming from pets, so Mage will begin to have a larger impact on your overall damage.

Remember, the Mage also offers some additional utility in the form of bigger shields and more usable resources.

Pets use max magicka, spell crit, and spell pen. Spell Damage does nothing for them.

yea true, i try not to run more than the scamp cause it causes some issues so i guess ill stick with apprentice but i do see advantages of using the mage

5 parses using identical gear and rotation with each mundus:

Lover:
37031
36451
36109
36127
35433

181151 / 5 = 36230.2

37031 - 35433 = 1598 (4.5%) difference between highest and lowest


Apprentice:
35943
35266
35886
34896
37081

179072 / 5 = 35814.4

37081 - 34896 = 2185 (6.2%) difference between highest and lowest


Thief:
35852
36410
35434
34059
36031

177786 / 5 = 35557.2

36410 - 34059 = 2351 (6.9%) difference between highest and lowest


Mage:
34801
35309
34884
34962
35034

174990 / 5 = 34998

35309 - 34801 = 508 (1.4%) difference between highest and lowest

thanks for the testing dpencil, im away from the xbox this week. but in trial settings, seems like apprentice would be the best choice since of course i wouldnt use lover when my group is optimized. no way ill ever use more than one pet in trials

Vaoh wrote: »

The Apprentice is better for DPS and noticeably so imo.

Keep in mind:
- The Apprentice grants Spell Damage. It will give all of your active skills a bit more raw damage than The Mage would. Light and Heavy Attacks only scale off of Spell Damage so it will increase those a lot while The Mage would give zero benefit to them.
- The Mage grants Max Magicka. It will give all of your active skills a bit less raw damage than The Apprentice would. Pet-dealt damage and Shield strength only scale off of Max Magicka so it will increase those a lot while The Appretince would give zero benefit to them.

Thief is still good on a petsorc as well (look at the parses above) it will scale better with warhorn than apprentice and buffs everything you do except your monster set.

I found that there is close to no difference between the two, but I can imagine that Thief will outparse apprentice in a raid environment by a small margin.

Currently running Apprentice mundus on my pet HA Sorc, only magicka issues in the later stages in Vma, but my build relies on HA to so i dont know if its a wise idea to swith to Apprentice.

In trials, group dungeons and most other solo activities Apprentice works well and no magicka issues.

I don't think there was ever much belief that, from a raw damage perspective, the Mage would (or even should) be stronger than the other dps mundus stones, since it provides additional utility the others don't. Rather, the question was: Does the use of pets (that don't benefit from the Apprentice, but do benefit from the Mage) allow the Mage to provide a dps benefit closer that of the Apprentice?

The short answer to this is yes. The Apprentice is less potent on a Pet Sorc than a Non-Pet Sorc, while the Mage is more potent on a Pet-Sorc than a Non-Pet Sorc. The gap between the benefit from Apprentice over Mage is therefore smaller for Pet Sorcs. The gap still exists, and Apprentice still wins, but not by as much as it otherwise would. And because the gap isn't very large, it does leave room for players to honestly consider the other utility benefits of Mage and weigh those against the relatively small dps loss (about 800 dps comparing my parses above) from making that choice.

I've been Khajiit Stam Sorcing for two years, decided to use the full Set of infallible aether I've acquired over that time. Running at 18300hp and 38880 magicka with 3060 spell damage with the Apprentice.

Am I doin it right?