Can we please get new Style Materials early?

Recremen · September 2017

Every quarter we seem to get a host of new and beautiful armor styles, but only half of them get released as actual crafting motifs when a new DLC drops. The rest get dropped one or two DLC cycles down the road. Now, I'm fine with handling the motifs that way, as it helps draw people back to old zones for just a bit longer... by why can't we decon the gear for its style material early?? I'm sitting on some HotR armor, and last patch I was sitting on a bunch of Telvanni, Redoran, and Hlaalu style armor, wondering if I should just sell it or wait until the motif got released so I could decon it for a chance at the style material. But why make us wait at all, amirite? Please let us decon the materials out of unreleased motif styles early so we can start crafting new armor as early as possible.

Nestor · September 2017

You don't get the Style Mats back on Decon? I ask as it seems I always get Style mats long before I see any motifs. But since I don't chase motifs until the prices drop (so I can fill in the holes in my farming results) I don't pay attention too much to style mats and the timings of the drops.

Do you have your Extraction Passives maxed in the 3 gear crafting lines?

max_only · September 2017

I agree with op. I felt like saving all my ashlander trash until the motif got released but it was just too much. I had to decon so many and missed out on the style mat while waiting for the motif to be put into the game.

rhapsodious · September 2017

Nestor wrote: »

You don't get the Style Mats back on Decon? I ask as it seems I always get Style mats long before I see any motifs. But since I don't chase motifs until the prices drop (so I can fill in the holes in my farming results) I don't pay attention too much to style mats and the timings of the drops.

Do you have your Extraction Passives maxed in the 3 gear crafting lines?

He means in Update 14/Morrowind, you could get the overland sets in the Great House styles (for example) since they existed in the game, but if you deconned them that patch you wouldn't get the style materials until the motif was available to learn with HOTR.

Recremen · September 2017

rhapsodious wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

You don't get the Style Mats back on Decon? I ask as it seems I always get Style mats long before I see any motifs. But since I don't chase motifs until the prices drop (so I can fill in the holes in my farming results) I don't pay attention too much to style mats and the timings of the drops.

Do you have your Extraction Passives maxed in the 3 gear crafting lines?

He means in Update 14/Morrowind, you could get the overland sets in the Great House styles (for example) since they existed in the game, but if you deconned them that patch you wouldn't get the style materials until the motif was available to learn with HOTR.

@Nestor

Exactly as friend @rhapsodious says. I have maxed extraction in all crafts, the works. As another example, we still don't have the new Worm Cult style that the worm cultists on Vvardenfell use, but we can still get dropped gear in that style. Deconning said gear has never given me a style item of any type, even though it totes obvi is going to be put in the game eventually.

Asardes · September 2017

Unless the style has been set as craftable you will never get back the style material while deconstructing. If you know a style will be introduced better save gear in that style somewhere then decon it after patch launch.

Recremen · September 2017

Asardes wrote: »

Unless the style has been set as craftable you will never get back the style material while deconstructing. If you know a style will be introduced better save gear in that style somewhere then decon it after patch launch.

Yes that is the part I am saying should be changed. Correct.

Nestor · September 2017

Makes sense that we should be able to extract the style mats early.

I guess the only potential downside is if they decide to not offer the Motif in the game after they drop the styled gear in the game.

Recremen · September 2017

Nestor wrote: »

Makes sense that we should be able to extract the style mats early.

I guess the only potential downside is if they decide to not offer the Motif in the game after they drop the styled gear in the game.

@Nestor

I can see the concern there, but like... when have they not eventually offered the motif in-game? I can only think of a handful of examples and none of them were fully fleshed-out motifs. There's old worm cult style which was only light, old red mountain style, and old hircine style off the top of my head. But worm cult apparently has its own fully-realized motif now, it's just not released. Oh and Ebony used to be an unreleased motif that wasn't fully fleshed-out but they got that one through, too! Worst case scenario people have a collectible useless style material even if they don't end up releasing a motif somehow.

Asardes · September 2017

Actually Ebon and Worm Cult are interesting examples because deconstructing them does not give back the crafting stone for the respective styles, but for ... Soul Shriven

Recremen · September 2017

Asardes wrote: »

Actually Ebon and Worm Cult are interesting examples because deconstructing them does not give back the crafting stone for the respective styles, but for ... Soul Shriven

@Asardes

That's... really weird. Are you talking about old ebon and worm cult gear? New gear that uses the ebony motif definitely gives back the right style item, and I have yet to get anything back from new worm cult gear.

Epona222 · September 2017

I always hang onto a few dropped pieces in styles that aren't craftable in game yet so that when the motif at some point goes live, I can decon for small pool of style mats. I don't keep stuff forever - ie. I got rid of all my Reach Winter styled gear drops long ago, but kept Hlaalu/Redoran/Telvanni stuff when Morrowind first came out, and stashed some gear pieces away for decon when those motifs went live - I didn't have to wait long.

I am remembering what happened with Mazzatun and Silken Ring stuff last year - SotH went live with gear dropped in those styles. Then the next quarterly update introduced the motifs. So atm I am hanging onto some HotR items from the Falkreath and Bloodroot Forge dungeons, because I fully expect those motifs to be released in the next quarter (possibly with motif pages dropping from the HotR dungeons in some way, much like Mazzatun and Silken Ring can drop from SotH dungeons).

Asardes · September 2017

Recremen wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Actually Ebon and Worm Cult are interesting examples because deconstructing them does not give back the crafting stone for the respective styles, but for ... Soul Shriven

@Asardes

That's... really weird. Are you talking about old ebon and worm cult gear? New gear that uses the ebony motif definitely gives back the right style item, and I have yet to get anything back from new worm cult gear.

I did farm something in CoH a couple of months ago so I ended up deconstructing a lot of useless trait Ebon pieces. They indeed give back Azure Plasm and not Amber Marble as they should. The only set that gives Amber Marble upon deconstruction is Ravager from PvP. That's where the bulk I have came from, breaking up bad trait Ravager pieces in Rewards for the Worthy packs, especially during the PvP event.

Recremen · September 2017

Asardes wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Actually Ebon and Worm Cult are interesting examples because deconstructing them does not give back the crafting stone for the respective styles, but for ... Soul Shriven

@Asardes

That's... really weird. Are you talking about old ebon and worm cult gear? New gear that uses the ebony motif definitely gives back the right style item, and I have yet to get anything back from new worm cult gear.

I did farm something in CoH a couple of months ago so I ended up deconstructing a lot of useless trait Ebon pieces. They indeed give back Azure Plasm and not Amber Marble as they should. The only set that gives Amber Marble upon deconstruction is Ravager from PvP. That's where the bulk I have came from, breaking up bad trait Ravager pieces in Rewards for the Worthy packs, especially during the PvP event.

Yeah, that's where all might Night Pumice comes from, too, the Ravager gear. This sounds like its own, independent problem in addition to the lack of style mats from to-be-released motifs.

Taleof2Cities · September 2017

I think the OP has a fair point.

And before someone says it might be confusing to players (having style materials before the motif drops), all a player has to do is read the tooltip and put it in their bank if they want to keep (or let it auto-stow if you have the crafting bag).